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#BadNewsBrowns.

I love the Browns but we suck. I have never seen a team that looks terrible but still manages to be "in it"

we have to find a new identity because playing like a Brown is not an identity I want to see any longer.

Thats kind of selfish, Sure if we were decent or showing signs of being close yes, but let the poor man get a taste of meaningful football

He looked better when we abandoned the run. Too many times we'd run on first for 2 yards, then either incomplete pass, maybe a penalty. But the offense is to reliant on having to inch your way across the field. You've gotta be able to pick up big plays on first or second so you don't have to constantly convert on 3rd down. Can't live like that. It's great when it works, but the odds are against you. That's why I kinda laugh when people say McCown's first and only drive in New York is some kind of style. It's not. You're not going to string together multiple 17 play 6-7+ minute drives in a game. It just doesn't work that way.

McCown missed some easy throws. He missed a simple inside slant that high school quarterbacks have down pat. Some of the play calls didn't work as well, where even if it was a complete pass, it wasn't going anywhere.

I flamed Brian Hoyer for showing his true colors when the run game was taken away. Good QB play is a given in the NFL when you have success with the run. The great quarterbacks in the league can operate when it doesn't. Brady, Rodgers, Ben, etc.. Those guys can set up running plays by their passing.

We kept hearing over and over about how Hoyer learned from Tom, and blah blah blah.

With McCown, he's being brought in as a vet with all this experience, and he looks like a young quarterback at times. He's gotta get dinged for that. He's throwing behind receivers, missing deep routes, and just like we grilled Manziel, he's holding onto the ball a little too long.

I have to say through 7ish quarters of Manziel, and almost 5 of McCown, Manziel looks better. Given, Manziel was handed better defense last week, and McCown reeived a turd burger by ours this week, but there's no doubt that Manziel's deep ball looks a lot better, and this offense is big play starved.

I'd at least consider it for Sunday.

it's very selfish of me ... but if I have to stick with the browns so does he

I just looked up the stats from the game today..

McCown was 28/49 for 341 yards...2 TDs and 1 INT...5 sacks...about 84 QB rating...

Listening to the game - he was way worse sounding that his actual numbers came out.. I didn't remember us throwing almost 50 times!

More telling - Rushing...WOW : A meager 14 attempts for 39 yards.. I had not idea we were so lopsided.

Not sure what to think of that disparity..

I don't think Joe Thomas even likes football.

I think he likes it ... doesn't love it or have a driven passion to be the best/a winner. JMHO, I've never met him ... but he seems to be content with whatever

Listen to his interview on the Brownscast. He definitely doesn't care.

touche...lol

That's great. Don't know what to do in free agency. Don't know what to do on draft day. I'd say the Browns are in EXCELLENT shape for the future. Farmer. LMAO

Our MNF game against the Ravens is shaping up to be a classic.

Oh...great...we're now at the "owner needs to make the call on the QB" strategy. That will work just fine.

I agree in principle...but please just word it a little better. Give Pettine next year IF he puts Manziel in now. Just don't let the media print "Haslam makes lineup change with Manziel." That's all I'm saying.

Disagree on Farmer. He is a complete waste. If he has a job after his suspension is over, Haslam is dumber than I thought.

Not many GMs getting fired in week five.

The Browns don't do anything else like an "NFL team". Might as well fire him and make that a first too. LOL

He should but you're right he won't. I'd fire him and get the other guy in place before next years draft so it isn't a complete waste especially since we will likely be picking top 3.

My post game thought is that I am glad that I was unable to listen to most of the game due to a prior commitment and that I couldn't record it because it wasn't broadcast locally.

Paraphrasing..."We're going to win by running the ball and playing defense." Really? Well please let the fans know when you intend to make an effort in doing so. Because today, from what I read, that did NOT happen.

I will continue to say this: As long as the fans keep filling seats, buying food and beer and Browns gear, NOTHING is going to happen. Berea is interested in their bank account, not much else. It doesn't matter who the next coach or GM is. It really doesn't.

Until I actually see progress, I have ZERO faith in this team. I will NOT spend a single dime on them. They are not worth it. They are barely worth my time.

Exactly. Start putting a plan together NOW. Work WITH the coach, not in spite of him.

That means another crappy hire. Our past three GMs were hired without a real GM search.

That only works if you draft well. Richardson, Mingo, Gilbert, Manziel, Shelton, Cameron Erving Six first round picks in four years. Shelton seems a solid starter. Otherwise we have hurt ourselves greatly. Richardson of course was a bust. Mongo? Bust. Dilbert? Bust. Johnny is a LONG shot, Erving wasn't good enough to beat anyone out for a starting spot... You can't draft guys like Mingo and rely entirely on the draft. Guys like Dilbert the bumbass KILL any hope of improvement.

Fire Farmer now and you'll have plenty of time for a long GM search. Not like a GM does a lot during the season anyway. Use one of his underlings as an interim and do your search. Then work with him to hire a head coach after the season...

The Browns should not fire another coach until they know exactly who they want, and through some back channels, know that he wants to come.

We keep swinging and missing on the coaches we want. The fact that our last 3 fired head coaches got no more than 2 years probably plays into that.

I want Pettine to turn this around, but that dude won't be taken seriously on anything when his team is getting burned on the ground like they did today, and 2 weeks ago, and all of last year. That's unacceptable.

No respectable GM is interviewing during the season. Firing Farmer at the end of the season will give us plenty of time to find a replacement (if we fire him).

General thought. I know a lot, a LOT of posters on this board have been posting here for decades, and that means they've been following the Browns for just as long. And all of those posters have seen some devastating losses.

Now we can blame the offenseive line, (who played like a bunch of little kitties in my opinion.) A lack of a running game. A defense who can't stop "every" pass, because Idiots believe an all pro corner should stop "every" pass all freakin year long.

But those aren't the real reason, and it took me years, and all these decades long dawgtalkers know over the years.
No matter the coach, the defense, the run game, the o line, the d line, even a ...well except or a defesne who refuses to tackle and gives up 700+ yards to one guy in two games, except for that

NOTHING OVER TRUMPS BAD QUARTERBACK PLAY!

Now whether one guy is not intelligent enough to even see more than one receiver, and he can't start for that reason,

And for that reason you have to go with the inaccurate veteran who lacks the strength to even have a D- day.

Well, you're going to end up with this pile of dirt we saw today. Because in spite of the offensive line, the db's or even the run game.

It all coulda, been better if the Qb coulda got the job done.

The Raiders were held to 3 points for the first quarter and a half. And THIS OFFENSE, couldn't muster anything but broken dreams of broken drives.

Forget anything else to complain about.
I'm saying None of the other stuff matters. Not the Coaching, the coordinators, the owners, the Draft picks, the free agent signings, the overpaid 9 million dollar contracts.

The only thing that matters in today's game. Is the most highest card in the deck.

Nothing overtrumps bad quarterback play.

You can't fix it by getting Shelton and cutting Phil Taylor
You can't fix it by hoping Robert Turbin will heal up and be a beast.
You can't fix it by bringing in a super kicker from the 9ers.
You Can't even have fixed it if you had drafted someone like Amari Cooper instead of Xavier Cooper.

because Nothing overtrumps bad quarterbadk play. And it's nothing against Josh McCown, who might fix it all by next Sunday.

But if your quarterback plays like he's the only one in a rainstorm, then it's just like a pitcher in baseball who can't throw anything but high fastballs up the middle, You're going to lose and lose bad.

Nothing over trumps bad quarterback play. Not turnovers, pass rush, or muffed punts, blocked kicks, or field position.

Nothing over trumps bad quarterback play.

Many are saying how Shelton was a great draft selection. I always believed that first round draft picks, particularly high first round, are supposed to be difference makers. How is Shelton making a difference? The run defense is as bad as last year and the pass rush even worse. To me, he has been virtually useless.

Is "Dilbert" still on the team?

This was "Text's" first pick in his pathetic tenure.

He's on the team. Don't think he has been active yet.

Hard to fathom, isn't it?

He was active today. He just didn't play defense. We went with Poyer, Desir and then Bademosi before him.

And people rip on Mingo and Whit over him?

Wonder why?

People were hoping for another Haloti Ngata. He doesn't look like that so far, but it's only been 3 games.

He's one of those players you'll appreciate once you get better players around him. A true pass rushing DE, and smarter/better linebackers.

I don't have a problem with the choice of him, but I certainly do with Erving, considering we lack playmakers on offense. As I said that night, if Erving was more of a "best player available" philosophy pick, that's a god sign. You just get no payoff this year for it.

Bademosi is a ST stud. Flat out stud. He is, however, an absolutely atrocious DB.

The fact that we are willing to play him over Gilbert is about the most damning thing you can say to a player. Justin has to be about 2 steps from getting cut at this point IMO. Maybe he took Pryor's spot as Mr. 53.

Yeah it was pretty clear that K'Wan Williams who was out today, was missed in that nickel position.

Really sucks that he has multiple concussions already in his young career.

The problem with firing people is what respectable coach or gm would come here? This team is a mess. No one that has a clue is going to touch this organization. We're stuck with first time coaches/gm's that want a shot. Those usually don't work out.

We used Kirksey to cover a wide receiver, man to man, in the redzone over Gilbert today.

Yeah I rip on Mingo. By all means explain how the 6th overall pick in the draft is such a force for us. How he's an elite PASS RUSHER. How he's a force in the run game. Better yet explain to me why he's even on the field. I heard his name twice today. Once running in to the kicker for a big penalty. Once getting carried in to the endzone for a Raider TD. Impressive. He's really going to make us forget Lawrence Taylor. Mingo is a bust. You take a linebacker at 6 he better be more than a situational cover guy. I know you love the guy for some strange reason, but if he were to leave tomorrow I wouldn't miss him one bit. He can take Dilbert and Meathead along with him....

You find the right guy, a GM that has shown he is capable and throw money at him. A lot of it. You find a HC that has won in the past but isn't too far over the hill and you throw money at him. If Haslam REALLY wanted Cowher? 15 million a year ought to do it. Personally, I would LOVE to see Brian Billick get the HC job. He had the Ravens playing good football for a very long time. Has a ring.... And you'd probably get him cheap. You could probably get Gruden out of the announcer box for 12+ million. Yes, it is a lot harder to get good front office talent here. But it's not impossible. There is no cap limit on front office/coaching staff.

I want what y'all are smoking!

First - Shelton is a rookie and a beast. Leave him alone.
Second - I agree that Mingo was selected way too high.
Third - I also don't understand the continuation of the Gilbert and Bowe experiments.
Fourth - Spirit who is Meathead... no idea who you are talking about with the cutesy man-crush nicknames.
Fifth - Can we all take a step back from the ledge? Been a fan my whole life and understand the constant pain and sorrow... We had a complete team loss today, period. Firing the GM, the HC, this player or that player won't change the fact that we have sucked so long.

So let's all take a deep breath and give Pettine (who I still believe in) a chance to fix things. 5 years. 5 years. 5 years. These coordinators, the GM and HC need to figure this thing out. We are going the right direction, we have and will make mistakes but that doesn't change the fact that we are going the right direction.

If JFF played today, I think we would have won. I absolutely understand why Pettine did not play him. But I noticed when the D had a chance to catch their breath they played much better. When the O got pissed, the went balls out to not be embarrassed... THAT IS PROGRESS!

I never expected us to set the world on fire this year, as a matter of fact when you look at our schedule, none of us did. Let them gel and refine this YOUNG team. Let them have time to swap out players as needed, correct mistakes and grow a little. Every loss is not the end of the world.

Game wasn't on TV here so I listened to it on the radio. When it got to the half I realized it sounded like the team did not feel like playing, so I decided I did not feel like listening. I had better things to do, so I did them.

They sounded pathetic. Missed tackles, no running game, can't stop the other team on 3rd down. Stupid penalties. Someone watching Haden v Cooper without knowing who they were would most likely guess Joe was the rookie.

I found out later that we had a chance to tie the game at the end. Then I figured I would hear about how we battled and almost won. A chance to tie, especially with our weapons, is not almost winning. Almost winning is another way to say we lost. And saying we battled also means we lost. Winners win, they don't battle.

We are a bad, bad team and that's they way it will be this year. If McCown is our best chance at winning then we can pack it in this year, because Oakland at home might have been the best shot we had at a win for the rest of the year. If McCown is our best chance at winning then Johnny is as bad as I feared.

Wasn't too long ago Oakland was seen as a joke. They draft Mack, who we passed on. Then when they decide to draft a QB they do not reach for one, and take the best one left on the board. They did not feel the need to show the rest of league that they were smarter than everyone else and take a huge gamble on a QB.

We have done some nice moves acquring extra 1st round picks. But that is like giving a Gulfstream to a monkey. It's a great thing to have but he has no clue what to do with it.

yeah I'll give Oakland credit, drafting Mack and Carr and Cooper seems to have given them a bright future

I woke up this morning to use the bathroom, got back in bed, and then remembered our game yesterday and bummed out.

It was a rough game. It pretty much went how I thought it would, but I didn't think our D would be that lame.

We don't deserve this crap year in and year out, but unfortunately it's what we get, all-too often, almost every Sunday afternoon.

Even the two games right after ours sucked.