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clevesteve #1009020 09/30/15 02:50 PM
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Week 2:

Teddy Bridgewater 14/18 153 yards (including 49 on an underhanded flip to the best RB since Barry Sanders), 1 TD, 0 INT

+4.0


Week 3:

Aaron Rodgers 24/35 333 yards, 5 TD, 0 INT

-0.7


/PFFfft


Exactly, I'm done with them. Not that I ever went to their site, but if someone on this board said player X had a good game because PFF graded them a +4.0 I would have believed them. As of now, PFF is as credible as Brian Williams.


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I think they are useful for some things... they track snap counts and tendencies and stuff like that, but their evaluation metric is absurd.

*edit* And I think the acme of foolishness that I saw for them was last year, calling the Browns (who were 32nd in the league against the run) the best-tackling team in football. I mean... come on.

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Because 2/5ths of the OLine is 90% of the problem?

LOL.. I just envisioned you dropping the mic and walking off stage. rofl


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Packers should dump Rodgers, can't even get a positive score with PFF?

OK, I'll give them any player on our team for Rodgers, except Joe T. They really need to dump their QB and move on to find a QB who could score positive numbers.


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Originally Posted By: clevesteve
*edit* And I think the acme of foolishness that I saw for them was last year, calling the Browns (who were 32nd in the league against the run) the best-tackling team in football. I mean... come on.


I think it was the best tackling secondary. But you could be right.

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Gimme ice skating scoring for reliability. This subjective stuff is ludicrous. Except we were really, really bad in spots. Seems brutal to assign a number to lousy.

Fix something this week. Too much jawbone.


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*edit* And I think the acme of foolishness that I saw for them was last year, calling the Browns (who were 32nd in the league against the run) the best-tackling team in football. I mean... come on.


I think it was the best tackling secondary. But you could be right.


https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/02/10/sig-stats-tackling-efficiency-by-team/

Team-by-Team Defenses
Rank Team Snaps Missed Tackles Missed Tackles/Snap
1 Cleveland Browns 1188 102 0.086
2 San Francisco 49ers 1072 94 0.088
3 Chicago Bears 1065 97 0.091
4 Philadelphia Eagles 1207 111 0.092
5 Houston Texans 1150 110 0.096

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*edit* And I think the acme of foolishness that I saw for them was last year, calling the Browns (who were 32nd in the league against the run) the best-tackling team in football. I mean... come on.


I think it was the best tackling secondary. But you could be right.


https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/02/10/sig-stats-tackling-efficiency-by-team/

Team-by-Team Defenses
Rank Team Snaps Missed Tackles Missed Tackles/Snap
1 Cleveland Browns 1188 102 0.086
2 San Francisco 49ers 1072 94 0.088
3 Chicago Bears 1065 97 0.091
4 Philadelphia Eagles 1207 111 0.092
5 Houston Texans 1150 110 0.096


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Originally Posted By: clevesteve
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Originally Posted By: clevesteve
*edit* And I think the acme of foolishness that I saw for them was last year, calling the Browns (who were 32nd in the league against the run) the best-tackling team in football. I mean... come on.


I think it was the best tackling secondary. But you could be right.


https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/02/10/sig-stats-tackling-efficiency-by-team/

Team-by-Team Defenses
Rank Team Snaps Missed Tackles Missed Tackles/Snap
1 Cleveland Browns 1188 102 0.086
2 San Francisco 49ers 1072 94 0.088
3 Chicago Bears 1065 97 0.091
4 Philadelphia Eagles 1207 111 0.092
5 Houston Texans 1150 110 0.096



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The point isn't whether it's subjective or not, it's whether it's consistent. If Rodger's game will always grade out to a slight negative +/- a reasonable margin of error then the methodology can be relied upon for comparative analysis.


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