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* It's not the players fault. It's not the fault of the coaching. The problem is above that in the FO.
I'm getting tired of Bernie beating this drum without really ever saying exactly what it means. I wish he would just come out and say it.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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I re-watched the game...ya know...with my future GM hat on.
Good -
I'll give Shelton some credit here...On Reece's 55 yard pass play, Shelton chased him down the field after our safeties knocked each other out of the play. So the hustle effort is there.
Bad -
On second and goal from the 1, McCown threw at Barnidge, who had 3 defenders around him. Barnidge took a hit and the ball popped out. What McCown missed was Dray 3 yards behind him with ZERO defenders around him...easy 6.
Was that TRich in the #34 jersey? On third and goal, he missed a walk-in TD off left guard. Instead, he ran right into the defense.
Craig Robertson's run defense in space. Ugh.
McCown had 1 critical INT but he probably should have had 3 more. And, he fumbled getting sacked too. #GivesUsTheBestChance
Dray's blocking skills.
Ugly -
I'm not one who likes to see someone out of a job but our fullback should be CUT. TODAY. He was absolutely God-awful. For a position that is supposed to block, he can't block ANYONE.
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What he means is we keep getting lesser talented players. The roster doesn't improve much year to year because of the busts or bad picks, including FA.
That even though the players play their butts off it's not good enough because the roster is not good enough.
When the roster is not good enough the Coaches struggle to put a quality team on the field no matter how well they coach.
That puts the problem on the GM.
Above the GM is the Owner/Owners who keeps blowing-up the regimes which causes turn-over of the roster with each Coaching/GM change.
All that keeps the players from developing any team chemistry because everything changes, Coaching/Schemes before they have time to develop anything.
At least that's how I take it.
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You expect McCown to get better the more he plays? Yep, I do. Make no mistake, McCown left a few plays on the field yesterday, but he was 28/49 for 341 yards, 2 td's, 1 INT. Not great stats but good, certainly good enough to win a lot games. As he continues to get to 'know" his receivers, he will get better, I'm certain...  . I'm certain you can bring more than that... Yea. Sick of being called a troll. Mccown is what he is. Should be playing Johnny. But in the end pettine will be gone and maybe farmer.
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Des was inactive. Do you mean Armonty? The inactive guys, performance wise, were in the middle of the pack. Not as positive of an impact as some players, more positive impact than others.
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I think Rish was being sarcastic, bro.
A few points after reading all the new posts:
--A qb holding the ball is one of the last things fans notice and one of the worst things for an offense.
--Farmer has done a terrible job of acquiring talent. He let better players like Kitchen, Skrine, Reubin, Winn, etc go and brought in guys that are not as good. His drafts have been terrible. I really was neutral on him in the beginning and I was NOT criticizing him because I'm silly. He's done a bad job.
--A replacement? Many will not like this, but I am ready to debate you----------Nick Saban. I give him whatever he wants. He might not come here because he has a great situation at 'Bama, but he did coach here as part of Belichick's staff and his hard-ass approach would fit in well w/Cleveland's blue collar community.
--It's hard to believe that McCown threw for over 340 yards, isn't it? Inserting Johnny is NOT going to fix this team. We are lacking in talent and are coaching is suspect. I would put him in only for this reason---do we need to draft a qb at the top of the draft or roll w/Johnny? I have been saying that for months.
--I was wrong about one thing. I predicted most would turn on McCown, Bowe, and the team in October. It happened in September. Hopefully, we win next week and you guys can go back to telling me how dumb I am. LOL---I'll be good w/that.
--One thing that not too many are talking about is that we have gotten dominated physically by both the Jets and Raiders. We're soft. That's troubling for a team that said they wanted to pound the ball on the ground and win w/defense. Are we last in run defense again? Where do we rank in terms of rushing on offense? I gotta believe we are near the bottom in both categories. That is embarrassing and unacceptable!
--Did anyone see the piece on the Smith/Rodgers draft. We took Leon. Damn man! tab was all over Rodgers. Wanted him first overall. I switched from Rodgers to Smith after the bowl game [Duh!] Smith is underrated, but Rodgers might be the best qb to ever play the game. He was passed over 23 freaking times. Unreal....huh?
--Oh, I forgot a good earlier that some of you dawgs mentioned. Hartline played well.
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I am wondering if anyone has come to the realization of just how good Shanny was and how much we miss him? Look at what he is doing w/Atlanta. They have a terrible OL. They won 6 games last year. We beat them. They played yesterday w/a backup RB that most of us haven't heard of........and they put up 39 points.
They passed it. They ran it. They came back after trailing early. The guy is a great OC and Julio might win the MVP!
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based on watching what he's doing in Atlanta with legit weapons ... Shanny looks even smarter than we all saw last year with limited talent.
wish we still had him
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Yeah.......I didn't really like the hire, but the guy was amazing w/his blocking schemes and route trees. Very intelligent guy who exploited teams despite having inferior talent.
I've been saying it since he left...........we're going to miss him......BIG TIME!!!
The fact that he worked so hard to get out of here is even more damning on this FO.
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Saban was a trainwreck in Miami. He's also a tad bit old to take on the task of being a GM and head coach.
I wouldn't mind dipping into college, but he's not one of the coaches I would want.
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He really wasn't a train wreck. It ended bad, but he had a plan. He bailed because they would not go along w/him about the importance of acquiring a top-notch qb. Brees was the guy in question.
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He really wasn't a train wreck. It ended bad, but he had a plan. He bailed because they would not go along w/him about the importance of acquiring a top-notch qb. Brees was the guy in question. This might be true. But he also has admitted the pressure wore on him and that college was a better fit for him. I don't see how things would be better now, especially because he is now 63 years old. It is a moot point really. He's not going anywhere that doesn't have a QB. The Colts job is the one everyone will be going after.
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I didn't believe him about the pressure crap. You know as well as I do that there might not be another job that brings more pressure w/it than being the HC at Alabama.
But, you are probably right..............he probably would not come to Cleveland. There is a bit of history though. He would be the guy. I know a lot of people hate him, but he is an excellent coach and understands the game inside and out and when Miami stiffed him on the Brees deal, he knew they would never win. Turns out he was right.
Btw...........what's up w/Miami? They are sucking this year? I thought they would be better. Didn't most people think the same thing?
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Btw...........what's up w/Miami? They are sucking this year? I thought they would be better. Didn't most people think the same thing? Their QB can't throw the ball downfield and the defense has underwhelmed. It's only week three though. Many things can change.
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Mal Moore had hope but no appointment to meet with Saban. In fact, for much of this period, Saban refused to take his calls. But Moore quickly hit it off with Terry Saban and was told by Jimmy Sexton, Saban’s agent, that if Saban ever wanted to return to coaching college football, Alabama would be a choice destination. (Sexton also represents new Dolphins defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh.)
As Moore and Terry Saban talked at Saban’s home in Fort Lauderdale, Nick Saban met with then-Dolphins owner Wayne Huizenga in Davie. There, an apparent decision was reached: Saban wasn’t going anywhere. But when he called Terry and said he still had no desire to meet with Moore, it was Terry who informed her husband that she’d already invited Moore over for dinner that night.
“She made it clear to Moore that Saban was miserable in the NFL and dearly missed coaching in college,” Burke writes. “She also made it clear that she wanted out.”
The next day, when Huizenga checked in with Saban, the tone he heard had changed. That’s when Huizenga told Saban to follow his heart, even though the owner knew Saban’s heart no longer was in Miami.
The time Saban spent in South Florida fell far short of expectations created when Huizenga lured him from LSU with a splashy annual salary of nearly $5 million. Burke cites many incidents, including Saban getting angry because the wrong kind of Little Debbie cakes were stocked in his office as well as shouting matches with defensive players Keith Traylor and Zach Thomas.
Worse was the time Saban stepped over offensive lineman Jeno James, who had collapsed into convulsions and needed to be airlifted to a nearby hospital. Although it might be a stretch to say Saban lost the team over that incident, he clearly earned no points with James’ teammates.
“What about natural human compassion?” former fullback Heath Evans, from King’s Academy, told Burke. No thanks.
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We have all read those articles. I believe that he left Miami for one reason only.......they did not back him on the qb thing and he knew you need a qb I the NFL. There are articles about that, too. I really don't care if you like him. I already said most of you would be against the move. I just know that if we REALLY want to turn it around, you bring in this guy and change the entire culture. Banner tried to change it, but he was run out of town and we got another "player's coach." Yeah, that is exactly what this team needed. 
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Who doesn't know that?
You are just being you again. Back to ignore.
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Banner tried to change it, but he was run out of town and we got another "player's coach." Yeah, that is exactly what this team needed. Banner tried to change the culture by hiring the guy you are criticizing for being a player's coach. Isn't that his fault? Run and hide.
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To be fair, the way I remember it was Haslam pulled rank to hire Pettine. Banner wanted to wait to interview Quinn. When Pettine said he wasn't going to wait around for that, Haslam wanted to move forward with Pettine. I think Banner was high on Pettine, but he also wasn't chomping at the bit either. And why do I feel like I'm the only who remembers Banner coming across very awkwardly in Pettine's intro conference where he kind of seemed like he was expressing regret for not waiting on Quinn? Awkward.
That's my recollection of things.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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On Twitter Banner always claims that he hired Pettine.
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To be fair, the way I remember it was Haslam pulled rank to hire Pettine. Banner wanted to wait to interview Quinn. When Pettine said he wasn't going to wait around for that, Haslam wanted to move forward with Pettine. I think Banner was high on Pettine, but he also wasn't chomping at the bit either. And why do I feel like I'm the only who remembers Banner coming across very awkwardly in Pettine's intro conference where he kind of seemed like he was expressing regret for not waiting on Quinn? Awkward.
That's my recollection of things. Well, here's the video.... do you recollect correctly? http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media-cen...56-4bef1ca3ee5b
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We are talking about a new coach and regime already??? Please no.
Saban - always liked him. Look at the staff he put together in Miami if i recollect it was a good one.
Can't explain the Inconsistency with the defense, neither can Pettine for that matter. I didn't like the Safety play at all they should be good.
Running the ball. Have we ran it over 20 times yet?
Not so sure its the scheme just don't have cut back RBs. Johnson suppose to be him but he doesn't cut back he loops back to get caught for a loss.
Its a depressing time after a loss. Oakland played well but we should have beaten them.
All I know is we get a shot at that 250lb MLB we better take him.
Back to the drawing board vs. Chargers who will be difficult to beat at home. Got to get inspired D again. Rivers is not a 3 step get rid of the ball quick QB.
2-2 will stop the madness till we underachieve again.
Kosar respect him but it was the players and coaches who lost this game to blame Farmer was ridiculous or should i say Silly. lol 
Got to laugh cause I don't cry. Come on Browns! get your actu together and start winning!
Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off!
Go Browns!
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Back to the beginning . Which came first , the Chicken or the Egg ?
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Going fishing.
To be brutally honest. I am really discouraged by this team. I knew what we had on offense would not cut it. There is no surprise there. You make the bed you lie in.
The defense I really expected to be good. Second year in this scheme with the same staff. Players brought in and drafted to fit the scheme. The DC and the head coach from the scheme.
What was expected was a much improved run defense. A strong rotation of players to fit down and distance match ups. Top notch secondary that could get turnovers. A consistent effort in pass rush that would benefit from secondary coverage.
I see no evidence of what was expected.
They got after Mariota but the OL of the Titans is far from stellar.
Last night I watched GB beat up on the Chiefs(who are pretty good). Aaron Rodgers is playing at a level that is unmatched. I really believe that if the Browns played GB 16 weeks in a row we would not win a game. We are not in the same league.
The Browns have invested heavily in defense. Both in the draft and in free agency. The team was constructed to be dominant on defense. Look at the number of corners on the team. The LB's both drafted, and the expensive free agents signed. The DL again the guys drafted and free agents signed.
I mean WTF?
I am going on a fishing trip to British Columbia and will miss the next two games. Truthfully, I need a break from the Browns. Oakland appears to be moving in the right direction. The Browns can't even tread water.
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Back to the beginning . Which came first , the Chicken or the Egg ? Well, technically, it was a mutated egg that was laid by some other fowl that wasn't a chicken. #Science
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Is that how we got teenage mutant ninja chickens?
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I didn't believe him about the pressure crap. You know as well as I do that there might not be another job that brings more pressure w/it than being the HC at Alabama.
But, you are probably right..............he probably would not come to Cleveland. There is a bit of history though. He would be the guy. I know a lot of people hate him, but he is an excellent coach and understands the game inside and out and when Miami stiffed him on the Brees deal, he knew they would never win. Turns out he was right.
Btw...........what's up w/Miami? They are sucking this year? I thought they would be better. Didn't most people think the same thing? Good observations Vers. The hilarious thing is, if Bama loses to Georgia this Saturday and with possible loses to LSU, Miss State and Auburn-on the road, the Bama fans will want him tossed.
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Hope that happens and I hope he comes here. LOL.......just kidding.........kinda/sorta.
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Saban is a good coach but I don't think Pettine is the problem.
After this year I may feel differently but I think Pettine can coach.
I have been calling out Farmer since his first draft. His second draft still needs time evaluate. However, I am not ready to give him the chance to draft in 2016. He has done enough to question his competence.
The guy I would offer the moon too is Seattle's GM John Schneider.
Here is his resume:
http://www.seahawks.com/team/staff/roster/john-schneider
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I think that guy is awesome. But, would he even be available?
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Eliot Wolf, director of pro personnel, Green Bay Packers: Ron Wolf's son would be very young (32) to be a GM, but he is considered a rising star in the business. The success of John Dorsey and Schneider certainly doesn't hurt.
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Saban is a good coach but I don't think Pettine is the problem.
After this year I may feel differently but I think Pettine can coach.
I have been calling out Farmer since his first draft. His second draft still needs time evaluate. However, I am not ready to give him the chance to draft in 2016. He has done enough to question his competence.
The guy I would offer the moon too is Seattle's GM John Schneider.
Here is his resume:
http://www.seahawks.com/team/staff/roster/john-schneider
I agree with you bonefish. I don't think Pet is the problem. The problem as I have stated infinitum is Ray Farmer. He needs to be replaced IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!!
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I say we beat San Diego and not worry quite yet about Saban or any other coach/ guru/GM
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Most likely not.
However, you never know unless you inquire. He has a great position and he is very successful.
Haslam would have to offer more than what he has. Like maybe a piece of the team.
It is clear the Browns are going nowhere. No matter how anyone spins it Farmer is a lost cause.
There is only one way to be successful in the NFL you have to be able to draft players. Anyone can throw money at free agents. In the end that decision remains up to the player. If you are unsuccessful as a team then in most cases you have to overpay. The ability to draft players who have a positive impact is the key.
This guy cut his teeth with Ron Wolf.
In order for the Browns to build a successful organization you have to have a guy like Wolf, Poilan, Parcells, or Belechick.
Unless the Browns land a guy like that the current results will not change.
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In order for the Browns to build a successful organization you have to have a guy like Wolf, Poilan, Parcells, or Belechick. That Wolf? Ted Thompson too!
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Haslam would have to offer more than what he has. Like maybe a piece of the team. He could offer him lifetime rebates on gas.
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Haslam would have to offer more than what he has. Like maybe a piece of the team. He could offer him lifetime rebates on gas. and then say `sike`
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