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Oregon shooting: Gunman dead after college rampage

The man who opened fire at Oregon's Umpqua Community College on Thursday is dead, Douglas County Sheriff John Hanlin told reporters.

No police officers were injured, but preliminary information indicates 10 people were killed and more than 20 others injured in the shooting, according to Oregon State Police spokesman Bill Fugate.

Officers and the gunman exchanged fire at the Roseburg campus. The shooter was a 20-year-old man, according to Oregon Gov. Kate Brown.

"It's been a terrible day," said Hanlin. "At this point, it's a very active scene. It's a very active investigation."

A law enforcement official told CNN four guns believed to have belonged to the suspect were recovered at the scene.

"We arrived to find multiple patients in multiple classrooms. Law enforcement was on scene and had the shooter neutralized," said Douglas County Fire Marshal Ray Shoufler.

He told CNN that two patients died while being transported to a hospital.

Mercy Medical Center posted on Facebook that it had received 10 patients. The extent of their injuries was not known.

Three female victims were at PeaceHealth Sacred Heart Medical Center at RiverBend in Springfield, about 70 miles north of the shooting scene, according to a hospital spokeswoman Thursday afternoon.

The shooting appears to have started in one building before the gunman moved to the school's science building, a source with knowledge of the investigation told CNN. Those killed and wounded were found in at least two classrooms.

ATF agents were on scene and canine teams were en route to search for explosives, fire arms casings and ammunition, a spokesman said. FBI agents were also en route, officials said Thursday.
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I've heard the death toll is 13.

We've been down this road too many times. Sincere condolences to the families...

I am so sick of hearing about these types of crimes. We pamper these idiots and blame teachers and schools for being too strict. There is no accountability anymore.

And then people are surprised when idiots like this guy go off and hurt others.

CNN just said he was frustrated with women. Earlier they said he was posting on 4chan. That combination has immature loser written all over it.

this is sad ... again

What's 4chan?

It's a forum. It's very offensive and immature, mostly geared towards young teen males.

Thanks.

Supposedly he asked his victims what their religion was. If they said Christian, they were shot in the head. If something else or they didn't answer, they were shot in the leg.

That's the reports, sorry I don't want to post a link to such a disgusting and morbid action/event.

Killer reportedly made victims stand up and answer whether they were Christians or not. If the answer was yes, he shot them in the head. If the answer was no, or if they refused to answer, he shot them in the leg.

This was second-hand info from the granddaughter of an eyewitness.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/shooting-oregon-umpqua-community-college-article-1.2381711

very sad.

Just horrible.

My prayers to all of those involved.

Obama: "Our thoughts and prayers are not enough"

Ugh, can we just not politicize a thread for a change?

I understand the frustration, but these incidents ARE political.

Doesn't mean sentiments of grief, fear and anger aren't real, but as long as the same old talking points keep deflecting the seriousness of what has become an epidemic and an actual blight on our nation's image, politicizing needs to happen.

Guess what? 90% of Americans want better laws that can prevent this and they will soon be voting for candidates that agree. So your plea is futile.

I wonder if Jack, Swish, and all the other posters who absolutely love belittling Christians will be outraged by this?

Although I still don't believe that Christians are being oppressed, this is exactly the type of fact I was asking YTown to give.

I'm also wondering if Obama will make a statement about the religious aspect of this murder spree.

Read the full article: http://news.yahoo.com/gunman-opens-fire-oregon-college-10-killed-000609883.html

I don't go to church and I really don't care for "religion," however, I think the amount of hate for Christians is bothersome.

We have posters on here who seemingly delight by discussing how messed-up Christians are. I can't imagine their outrage if the gunman would have shot the people who answered "no" to being Christians.

People lash out at Christians all the time, but all I know is that two Christians were the first to reach out to me when they knew I was going through a difficult time. One of them was YTown. He and I battle all the time, but that did not stop him from trying to lend a helping hand.

I think that hate and contempt for Christians needs to stop. You don't have to believe like they do, but please respect their right to believe.

After reading that, I almost wish he had lived - so we could kill him, the SOB.

Man, can you imagine the terror of having to endure that? Those poor kids. Can you imagine being the parent of one of those kids?

Obama and others might want to make this a gun issue, but I have always thought that criminals are going to get guns no matter what laws you have in place.

I think what's more important is working harder to prevent hate and I know no one wants to hear this---but, we are not building strong citizens in our schools by ignoring their misbehaviors. I can say w/certainty that we write legal documents that end-up supporting one student while at the same time neglecting the rights of every other student and teacher that child comes into contact with. I think people have good intentions, but it's not working. We are producing too many people who simply think it's okay to lash out if things are not going their way or if they feel they have somehow been wronged. We all have had to deal w/people trying to belittle us, bully us, shun us, exclude us, harass us, etc, etc. But, most of us deal w/it and don't resort to inappropriate reactions that then are nurtured by well-meaning, but off-base decision makers. The child in question learns that his inappropriate reactions and behaviors are not his fault, but really the fault of those around him. He then blames certain groups for all of his problems. I've fought this battle for a long time and always warned that we would be raising more and more of these types of types of children who eventually become adults. And what happens to those adults when the 504 plans and IEP's are no longer in place?

Heck, I had a kid last year who had a 504 that said that the other students and his teachers couldn't look at him when he got angry. What?

The hate and content for some Christians comes from those who act just like this guy did. YOUR WAY is not MY WAY, regardless of what you believe. Leave YOUR religious viewpoints/doctrines out of our laws and we will get along.

It is digusting, in this day and age, that people can't just get along, or at least be tolerant of one another.

*You is not implying you personally Vers. Its applying to the Kim Davis types of the world. It's great they want to be bigoted, but they're a terrible face for their religion, and its scary how many people will back them. Again, this is just about every religion and non-religion so its not isolated to CHristians. Islam seems to have the largest group of radicals who are not kept in check by those who are rational.

If you want to see what real faith looks like. Look no farther than the kids who still admitted they were Christians after seeing the first one get shot in the head. Now that is a show of true faith.

Matthew 10:32 Therefore everyone who confesses Me before men, I will also confess him before My Father who is in heaven. 33"But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven.

R.i.p. to those who were murdered, and my heart and prayers go out to their families and friends

Makes me wonder what in the hell is going on. I have an app on my Iphone for WKYC Channel 3 in Cleveland. Seems as if every morning, I wake up, look at my phone and there is another shooting where a young child is killed.

Then this happens at an Oregon campus. Shootings everywhere.

I have NEVER been a gun control guy.... Still not, but sometimes I wonder if I need to rethink that. In the end, I won't change, but there are days that I feel it would be better if guns just didn't exist.

I suppose someone would go out and use a machete instead....

Very sad....

I feel like that every day. I wish the things were never invented and like you, I fully support someone's right to have one.

There's no way we can ban guns, they will be around forever.

FWIW, the campus is a "Gun Free Zone". Even the lone security guard was unarmed. I was tempted to say that was "ironic", but its not irony at all. Its why the killers choose these locations (churches, schools) to do their evil deeds. They know that the good people of this country are mostly rule-following and law-abiding - wouldn't want to rock the boat - and as such, will be helpless to defend themselves.

I don't think that plays very heavily on their minds at all actually, but neither of our viewpoints can be backed by fact.

I think that is more a NRA backed way of thinking myself in an effort to further their agenda.

The same as saying we need more laws to prevent things like this from happening is to the gun control advocates?

But "Thou shalt not murder" has worked so well.

Yes, I already said neither said they could be backed by any real facts.

Murder would still occur without guns. I'm not an idiot. I also know that banning guns outright would not even put a dent in the problem.

I haven't heard anybody call for an all out ban, but I do think it would have an effect on the numbers

That would never be allowed and I don't think it would be even close to a practicle outcome, but there needs to be an honest discussion about availability and it will definitely involve politics and agendas.

Not calling you an idiot. I was just balancing out the statement is all.

I do like that the Sheriff is refusing to say the killers name and stuff, trying to keep the news centers on the victims, and not giving the suspect his 15 minutes of notoriety.

There are certainly people that advocate for an outright ban. If I thought it would solve the problem, I would advocate for it as well. It's not even close to a working solution though.

So sad for what happened. God bless them all.

Once again we learn nothing.

Those guns killed innocent kids, lining them up and shooting the admitted Christians in the head. Stinkin' guns!

Once again, we leave our schools unprotected in an effort to limit guns while other guns, knowing they are safe, arrive to shoot the innocent.

Guns is the problem alright.

I do like that as well. Although the media is still giving out all kinds of information about the guy anyway.

Just to note also ... Oregon is one of a few states that requires quite a bit of background checking before a person can buy a gun. The school was also a gun free zone. Maybe instead of focusing on the gun control which apparently didn't do much in this case, we should be focusing more on the media giving this guy his 15 minutes of fame.

If there's one thing in these shooting that everyone has in common, it's that the shooters are suicidal teens that feel like they've been ignored all their life and never given notice. So anybody want to guess why they go out and do something like this??

Naturally, the media obliges and gives them the attention that they were starving for all life, while ensuring the next suicidal teen in line knows he'll probably get attention too.

Great Biblical quote there.

http://www.people.com/article/paris-train-hero-alek-skarlatos-student-ucc-oregon-shooting

Paris Train Hero Alek Skarlatos Was Student at UCC: 'I Wish I Could Have Been There Today to Assist'


BY SHEILA COSGROVE BAYLIS @sheilabot 10/01/2015 AT 06:00 PM EDT
Alek Skarlatos, the Army National Guard Specialist who helped to prevent a possible terrorist attack on a Paris-bound train in August, used to be a student at Umpqua Community College, and says he wishes he had been able to help after a gunman killed at least 10 and injured 20 there on Thursday.

"I was enrolled as a student at Umpqua Community College prior to my 2014 deployment to Afghanistan," Skarlatos, 22, says in a statement to PEOPLE. "While I was fortunate enough to be in the right place at the right time in August aboard a train bound for Paris, I only wish that the same could be said for today. I wish that I could have been there today to assist."

"I praise the first responders who were on the ground today in Roseburg as they undoubtedly were integral in saving numerous lives and putting a stop to what could have been more than tragic than it is. My heart and prayers go out to this community, my community, right now," he says.

Skarlatos' father, Emanuel Skarlatos, told PEOPLE in August that Alek is dedicated to helping others, and wanted to become a police officer, which is why he attended classes at UCC.


"He thinks the world should be just. He's for the underdog and the weak," Emmanuel said.



I have no problem going on the limb and saying that this was, somehow, a retaliatory attack.

Exactly what I thought too.

Rather than ban guns we should ban murder.