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Tragic... just way too much hate in this country. I'm sure this will follow previous threads and devolve into conversations about gun control, mental illness, parenting, semantics, etc... fact is that this country is full of hate, overrun with hate and violence. It's everywhere and I'm pretty sure that most people are almost immune or numb to it at this point and don't even realize how much of it they absorb every day.

Agreed, in total.

But here's what these misfits don't seem to understand: all the attention you craved is coming AFTER YOU'RE DEAD. So you're not even around to see what a mess you've made or to hear your name on the evening news.

Loser in life; loser in death.


A total waste all around, if you ask me.

So your God wouldn't let you into heaven if you told a psychopath something so you could live? What happened to Belief and Salvation? God can now kick you out if you tell an insane person something so you can live another day and help save lives after the fact? There's a big difference between telling normal people you aren't a follower of Christ, and being in front of a psychopath with a gun after you witness him kill someone for their faith. You can't reason with that. You can't rehabilitate that. What exactly is the purpose?

If you believe the second or third person who was a Christian said they weren't and now isn't going to heaven (as Matthew says Jesus/God would deny them), then most won't get in anyway. I know several former classmates who pretended to be atheist outside of church but are now weekly members and plainly profess their faith. Maybe I should let them know they can't get in...

Democrats are so freaking stupid (sorry for the left wingers here) but I bet violence, gun violence especially, would INCREASE if they attempt to confiscate all our guns.

That's like taking a cat who's lived inside it's whole life, declawing it and throwing it outside to fend for itself. You make a less secured environment by taking guns from people while the criminals are still going to have beyond easy access. It's just so dumb when I hear Obama's recent comments. Is his term freaking over with yet??

Yup too numb and almost getting too numb to even look for an answer. I don't think conversations about what to do about these things is devolving though. To ignore the problem is the worst thing...

Well to continue with your feline analogy, the cat's out of the bag in regards to guns. It's simply not feasible to confiscate them. But it's also a red herring in these issues because if this kid didn't have access to guns, he'd find a machete or build a bomb and we'd be back to square one.

I'm not going to get into the specifics of what will keep you out or get you in... but to deny God to save yourself is basically saying that you know what is best for your life (and death) more than God does.

I'm not sure I could blame somebody who did it and I absolutely wouldn't expect somebody without a deep abiding faith to understand why some of us would not deny God in that instance.

I normally don't weigh in on the religious comments, but I will say the one facet you are forgetting is that in Christianity, Forgiveness can be had if the person seeks it out.

Did Swish go in on this thread? He told me he got suspended. Just trying to see lol

Also, obviously a tragic situation. Sad to see this, especially since the sick soul posted his plans on 4chan.

I think what gets lost a lot of times is People don't listen to Jesus answers. Peter denied Him 3 times, but you don't read where Jesus told him he denied him to the Father. Instead he asked him if he Loved him, 3 times, and Peter said he did. Jesus also said that with man these things are impossible, but with God All things are possible. So, if People just Listen to His answers, you'll find yours. I know some People read Doom and Gloom in the Bible, but if you seek out the Truth, then like the book says....The Truth will set you free.

The student and Army veteran who witnesses say charged the shooter at a community college in Oregon is alert and awake at the hospital as he recovers.

Chris Mintz, 30, was shot seven times during the Thursday rampage, but he says his main concern is about the others who were injured.

"I just hope that everyone else is OK," he told ABC News this morning.

"I'm just worried about everyone else.”

The man’s actions in the fatal shooting, where 10 people died and seven, including himself, were injured, did not go unnoticed by his peers.

"He ran to the library and pulled the alarms and he was telling people to run, grabbing people, telling them, 'You just have to go,'" witness Hannah Miles told ABC News.

"He actually ran back towards the building where the shooting was and he ran back into the building and I don't know what happened to him," she said of Mintz.

Mintz's cousin launched a GoFundMe page to help pay for his ensuing medical bills.

"During the shooting both of his legs were broken and he is going to have to go through a ton of physical therapy," Mintz's cousin Derek Bourgeois wrote on the page.

"He is a father, a veteran, a student, and now he's a hero," Bourgeois wrote on the GoFundMe page, beneath a picture of Mintz and his son.

Mintz is far from the only veteran at the school, with the school's interim president, Rita Cavin, referencing how the military subset of the student body may be particularly affected in the coming days and weeks.

"The ones that were shot, that’s one level of trauma,” she said at a news conference Thursday. “There’s psychological trauma; we have veterans with PTSD on our campus. They had a particularly bad day.”

Hero - Chris Mintz Speaks After Being Shot 7 Times.

More than 10,000 Americans are killed every year by gun violence. By contrast, so few Americans have been killed by terrorist attacks since 9/11 that when you chart the two together, the terrorism death count approximates zero for every year except 2001. This comparison, if anything, understates the gap: Far more Americans die every year from (easily preventable) gun suicides than gun homicides.

We spend huge amounts of money every year fighting terrorism, yet are unwilling, at the national level, to take even minor steps (like requiring background checks on all gun sales nationally) to help stop gun violence.

"We spent over a trillion dollars, and passed countless laws, and devote entire agencies to preventing terrorist attacks on our soil, and rightfully so," Obama said. "And yet we have a Congress that explicitly blocks us from even collecting data on how we could potentially reduce gun deaths. How can that be?"

Other than private sales, there are background checks when purchasing a gun.

Perhaps because the armed citizen was important to the Founding Fathers to combat an overreaching and tyrannical Government that you want keeping an eye on us and collect data on us.

Hell, the first pope of my own church did it 3 times.

Yup "Other than then the private sales" Loop Hole

Gun owners should be required to register and be licensed. Just like we do by owning and driving a car. Any law abiding gun owner should have no problem with that. It's always the irresponsible gun owners, that leave them lying around loaded out of their sight. Or sell them at gun shows, or an idiot friend, or relative with no background checks required.

Paranoia Thank you Mr. Snowden.

Must be careful with wording. Yes, they make you fill out a piece of paper, yes there are questions about mental state and criminal/felony etc history, but how they use that info is in question. I'm not even required to write my ssn down.

I question how much info on that paper is validated/confirmed or even really taken seriously when they call it in? We need real background checks with real information being pulled up and then used to determine whether to sell/neglect the firearm exchange.

And what exactly would licensing and registering actually do to curb violence?

I do agree there are some dumb dumbs out there... specifically the ones who are legally carrying and tell me "its registered"... even though there is no registry..

Don't you see how suggestions such as these are way out of proportion? There are what. something like 300 million guns in America... yet amazingly, when you take your family to the mall, it doesn't look like Somalia with everyone walking around with AK-47's shooting in the air...

Do you not trust the gov't to control your driver license data? Insurance coverage, Eye site, driving history, health issues?

That I a very valid question. So doesn't it make sense to first verify and confirm that what we are told is being done, is actually being done before we jump to making even more laws and more restrictions and violating even more rights to privacy?

Uh, no. Do you? The gov't doesn't control those things. I'm ok with the gov't having people to display a degree of competency before driving a vehicle (i.e. get your license). The difference is that cars are in much more common use than a gun, and me driving my car potentially impacts a much more significant number of people vs. the fact that I carry concealed.

And hell no, I don't trust the gov't with my health information. Its why I give them as little as possible.

When you take your family to the mall you are usually driving in a licensed registered safe inspected vehicle with partial or full coverage insurance.

Depends on where you live lol

There are enough guns in the US..at least one for every single child, man, and women. Your argument doesn't fly.

Yeah.. I did say usually.

No, I don't trust them to... but, I don't don't have a choice in the matter.

Absolutely nothing.
The one and only thing that would come of it is that it would close the one remaining Black Hole of information they have currently for tracking the movement of weapons, for knowing who has what.

I'm a law abiding gun owner that has a problem with that. How long do you think it would take an anti-gun administration to price those licenses out of most people's reach? Should I get a 'free speech' or 'religious' license next? I would rather stick with "Shall not be infringed".

There are a lot of people driving around without a license or insurance everyday.
in 2001 the Insurance Research Council found it to be about 14% of drivers to be uninsured, and they estimate about 10% of drivers drive without a license.

Before this escalates, let me say, I am not against some sort of regulations on gun ownership to better control who can legally(keyword) acquire a firearm. And I think most gun owners have no issue with the idea either.

I have my concealed carry weapons permit, and I had to fill out a long questionnaire, get fingerprinted, prove I took a NRA approved safety course, and give permission for them to do a full Florida Dept Law Enforcement check on me.

Something I believe you are missing out on that I simply wish to point out.

The ability to buy, own and possess guns is a constitutional right.

A drivers license is not.

Sure it does. On your drive home from work today, count up the number of guns you see. In addition, count how many guns were be used during your drive home. Also, count up the number of cars you see, and how many accidents.

I pulled this from Wikipedia.. sorry I don't have the link at the moment: In 2010, there were an estimated 5,419,000 crashes (30,296 fatal crashes), killing 32,999 and injuring 2,239,000

Now compare that to your 10,000 figure.

You are right, it is enough guns for every man, woman, and child. And unless you actually seek out those guns (like go to a range or a gun store) or see your local cop, you will NEVER see a single one on a daily basis. I know and understand that it seems counter intuitive, but proliferation of guns actually isn't the problem.

Allow me to take a little bit of issue with this, because I get a little concerned when people say they think most gun owners would be ok with regulations. I think the average gun owner is ok with a basic background check. Seems reasonable to most people. In NC you can get a Pistol Purchase Permit form your local Sheriff's Office. Its usually $5 per (if you have your CCW you don't have to get one)... basically this is a permit that says a background check was conducted and now you can go to the store or gun show and walk out with your new purchase.

But when people (not saying you) start talking licensing, registries, putting CCW permit holder's addresses out for public display... no, most gun owners wouldn't agree.

Agreed, that's why I only said regulations to control who could acquire a firearm, IE better background checks.

And yeah, my CCW allows me to just purchase same day, and not have the 3 day waiting period and stuff.

And before someone asks, they do keep an eye on these. My neighbor got arrested for domestic abuse and they revoked his CCW.

It's not Japan either, we have 2.5 times the number of people and 33.5 times the number of homicides..

We have the perfect storm, we live in a country that sells hate and fear.... and makes it relatively easy to get your hands on a gun... wonderful combination.

I was watching Kill Bill and it sure looked like a lot of people being murdered over there.

Yeah our fore fathers thought that one out didn't they? They didn't want to give just anybody the keys to a Ferrari or Benz.

I believe they did think that one out for the reasons stated. The reason is to be able to fight the government if they attempt to inflict tyranny upon the people. I believe there is some sound logic to that thought process.

I believe our people having guns has done as much or more than anything to keep our nation from being attacked by foreign invaders.

As a person who stands strong for gun rights, I do believe we need stronger background checks that include mental health issues. I believe we need a system that thoroughly and quickly needs to process those background checks.

And as much as I hate to break it to you, there isn't a special test to decide who drives a Ford and who drives a Benz.

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Ok ok I get your points. Common sense tells me it's a good idea to start some sort of country wide program to keep guns out of the hands of lunatics, Call me old fashion, I don't know..