DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Everything Else... Russia Airstrikes in Syria, not helping fight against ISIS, seem to help Assad.

Iranian troops prepare to aid Russia with Syrian ground assault, officials say.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/10/01/...a/?intcmp=hpbt2

cool let them handle it, i don't want any more americans dying in a region where nobody likes us.

One happy thought; Al Qaeda has aligned with one of the extremist rebel factions called Al Nusra and is taking up arms against ISIS. Al Qaeda and ISIS killing each other is a win-win. I say we sit back and let them.

I think that only bolsters my point. By the way, I love how Russia's strategy is just to lie about everything.

"You killed civilians."

"No we didn't."

"Your troops are in Ukraine."

"No, they're not."

"Yes, they are. We have pictures of them."

"No, you don't."

What if we did the same thing?

"One of your F-22's bombed a Russian position in Syria."

"No, it didn't."

"Yes, we saw the damage could only be done from an American SDB."

"Nope."

I've had thoughts on that as well. You literally have an area in the Middle East with fighting involving Al Qaeda fighting ISIS, both of which are also fighting against Assad, Russia, and Iran.

How is this bad for us again?

You have an area, he Middle East, which has been at war with each other for thousands of years. Why did we ever think we could change it?

because people aren't happy on this board unless american soldiers are dying for no reason.

i find it funny the people complaining about leadership don't do any leading, themselves. just complaining.

lead by example and go fight the islamic state yourself. i'll buy you a plan ticket.



and that goes for ANYBODY on this board. if you feel THAT strongly about going over there and fighting, grab you wife, your kids, yourself, and lets meet at the airport and head on over there.

put your money where your mouth is, and go get your hands dirty.

Just sit back and relax now, Obama's leadership has assured no Americans will be involved as Russia secures its hold on the middle east and strengthens its alliance with Iran and Syria.

I just hope they don't tell us to leave entirely but really we have no choice if they do unless we want WWIII.

All is already lost, so we watch. Impotently.

By the way, Russia doesn't spend the extra bucks for smart bombs, It just uses those dumb old iron bombs, carpeting the area and killing everything.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=242_1443713952

Russian forces are not restrained by rules of engagement; they accept that "collateral damage" sometimes comes with the territory. On the news, Putin was quoted as saying "Reports of civilian deaths were being broadcast before our bombers left the ground.".

Whatever happens, they'll just deny it.

Yeah, I'm sure that's what people here want.

It is comments like this that make many ignore your opinions as over reacting propoganda, since often they are laced with comments like this.

Absolutely true.
At the end of a land battle between opposing forces, who comes out on top? The lying Victor or the finger pointing Loser?

This event is years in the making, a battle that has been going on since I was a kid, between two ideas. Superior Strategic planning, Strength of positioning and the Superiority of Capitalism over Socialism has lead to Victory for the United States world wide.
The Lack of Leadership over the past 7 years has given away the middle east and lost the trust of our Allies in the region.

That is one stupid statement. Our troops should not be used in these efforts to kill just the bad guys. War should properly be declared, then they should destroy the enemy and come home.

It's not.

Thanks for responding to me, and not responding for the sake of sensationalism or drama. You would fare poorly in Washington, my friend.

So glad you found someone to tell you what you wanted to here.
Now watch as the Truth unfolds over the next couple of years.

Haha. Please tell me how I'm wrong. You didn't address any of my posts, so please show me how any of them are wrong.

I always welcome an open, rational discussion.

I replied to you a couple of times. You just don't like what I say.
Just watch and see how "good" a thing this is that the Russians are taking control in the Middle East. Everyone here has already said they are liars and can't be trusted. Just watch is all I ask, then tell me in another year what you think.

Where?

Edit: I see that you're talking about earlier parts in the thread as I go back. The response I am referring to discusses how it is bad where several of our adversaries are combating each other. How is that a bad thing?

That is a question I posed where Pit was the only one to respond.

3 now. I replied to each of your posts to me except the one I missed because it was sandwiched between swishes posts.

I don't hate you yet.

It's not my concern whether you hate me or not. Let's talk.

So, here are my questions: how is it a bad thing when we have adversaries combating against each other, and, given the track record of any foreign intervention in the Middle East, how will Russia come out of this with a long term advantage of putting boots on the ground.

Swish, although dramatic (which I won't fault him for because he's been down range as well), also had a fair point. Is this an event where you think we should put boots on the ground?

The difference between us and the Russians is that the Russians understand that what is respected and obeyed in the ME is brute strength. Those who show they have the will and means to impose their will on others are who comes out on top. This is why we see time after time, thousands of Iraqi troops tucking tail and running away even though they've had superior training and equipment. Its why the ranks of such groups swell so quickly.

We have shown no such willingness. The Russians are using the Deathstar Doctrine... fear of this space station will keep the systems in line.

It worked so well for them in Afghanistan.

Their only mistake was capturing and holding Col. Troutman. If they had not done that, Rambo would never have had to go open a can o' whoopass.

You should watch Rambo III... its a great documentary!

We dedicated Rambo III to them, and they repaid us by blowing up our buildings. Ungrateful bastards.

It sounds like Russia may be the place for you. A land where the government tells the people what's best for them, and a leader with a violent and Quixotic Eastwood/Wayne complex. You'd fit right in.

Watching my lifelong enemy's leader chew up and spit out my so called "leader" is hard for me to watch.

Perhaps closing my eyes to it like you do would make it easier, but I happen to still love my Country and I will watch and point out what I see.

So Russia putting its money and efforts into Syria, actually bombing ISIS targets yesterday is a bad thing. If Iraq taught you nothing, then so be it. If the blatant failure of Russia in Afghanistan taught you nothing, then so be it.

You sound like the broken record of advocating failure.

Again, it sounds like you'd be happier in Russia. It lines up more with your values. You keep speaking platitudes about leadership and your country, but you've spoken time and time again about how you feel that the government should craft laws to tell the people how to live, because Big Brother knows what's best, and clearly Putin is up your alley. When all is said and done, your jingoism is far more Soviet than American in theory.

Very difficult situation .. Putin is filling the Cop roll due to a Vacuum of leadership by us ( you can take sides on that issue if you want ) Every time you , we , Russia or whom ever create a leadership vacuum ( Like taking Saddam out ) you cause more problem's in an area ..

I am really concerned about the displaced folks from the war torn area / the chance of a US and Russian plane or troops firing on each other , What the Devil the Turks are going to do ? I mean the list go's on and on .. This a VERY DANGEROUS situation the World is in right now

I lay no claim to answers at the moment ; only more questions .. PS , Fixing the blame and not the problem is a crappy idea !

I say let Putin take over the whole situation. If he thinks he will build a lasting relationship with the Syrians, Iranians and the various shiite factions, the joke's on him. There's never going to be stability over there....let him waste his resources on the region for a change.

And if you are wrong and he pulls it off?

Another thing I wonder... If Israeli spies in Iran find out that Iran is building a Nuke and the government in Israel launches a strike to take out Iran's Nuclear capabilities, will it be Russian jets that shoot them down, protecting Iran?

That's exactly what our President's administration is saying.

"Enjoy your version of the Iraq war. Remember your war in the 80's too. Good luck lololol"

We've been wrong on just about everything we've done over there. Just what's Putin going to pull off.....stabilizing the region and building fruitful relationships? I don't think so.



Russia won't risk a war to protect Iran's nuclear capabilities.

Growing up in the cold war I remember a lot of things.. some people hated Russia, some people feared Russia, some people just hoped that beneath their vocal leaders was a group of citizens who had no interest in being nuked, just like us.. but I don't remember a whole lot of respect for Russia..

Now what I see is a whole group of Americans who are almost envious of Russia, who believe the Russian leader over our own President on the facts of world events, who want us to act MORE like Russia...

This is a totally new dynamic that I don't believe really existed in the 70s and 80s... and I'm not sure what to make of it.

I think this line of thinking exemplifies a lot of extremism. We also almost had WWIII with the Cuban Missile crisis and a myriad of other conflicts/wars/incidents which occurred, but it never happened. The talk of WWIII sounds like fear tactics that news pundits and politicians use just for the sake of controlling their constituents.

I think what you're overlooking is a point Prp brought up. Syria is HUGE for the Russians. They've been long time allies and it's the last location of a military base that exists outside the original USSR. That naval base is extremely important strategically to Russia.

Russia was originally content to let Iran and Hezbollah be the initial lifelines to Assad. When it became apparent that the momentum still wasn't in the Shiites' favor, Russia intervened, because losing Syria is a red line to them. It would be like a revolution taking place in Italy that threatened our military presence there.

Now what I asked you was whether you think we need boots on the ground. That's different than having assets, which is what you referenced. Plus, I was referring to boots on the ground in Syria. So, do you think we need actual official deployment of boots on the ground in Syria?

To another point, projecting brute power in the Middle East may be a successful tactic. Now, will Putin project the kind of power that would be able to silence grass-roots movements like ISIS and AQ? I doubt it. The bottom line there is that it's way too improbable and costly to ever try and achieve peace in the ME. It turns back to the point that Russia is most likely desperately looking to preserve Syria. We simply don't have the same interest in that country that they do.