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Tons of missed FGs this week. Can't recall seeing this many misses in one weekend before.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Julio Jones didn't do anything for me in fantasy this week. He's been holding my team together the first three weeks.
I'm not watching-was he even playing in the second half?
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I don't know. I haven't been paying much attention. But I don't recall Jones name being called at all.
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Falcons offense is fired up. Their RB scored three rushing touchdowns. Seems like Shanahan isn't such a bad OC after all.
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Well, yesterday was our last day out of the AFCN basement. Bengals are winning today. So that puts the onus on the Browns to win. But as of right now, the Browns still control their own destiny. If they win the rest of their games, sweeping Cincinnati, they will win the division and that is a guaranteed playoff berth.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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At least the Cowboys didn't jump offsides.
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Saint/Cowboys just went through the same thing. Tied at 20, Saints kick a field goal for the win and miss it... only the Cowboys didn't jump offsides.
It's supposed to be hard! If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great!
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I can't believe he just missed that kick...
Meanwhile Weeden is going to ensure the Cowboys make the playoffs in Romo's absence...lol.
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Had a feeling about Gurley. That's RB talent.
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Falcons offense is fired up. Their RB scored three rushing touchdowns. Seems like Shanahan isn't such a bad OC after all. Wish you could borrow Marty McFly's car, go back to last August and slip that note into Ray Farmers day planner.
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I can't believe Weeden marched Dallas downfield like he actually knew what he was doing like that.
WE DON'T NEED A QB BEFORE WE GET A LINE THAT CAN PROTECT HIM
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A couple of comments:
--The Bengals have way more talent than the Browns. It's not just continuity.
--Love the "Spread" offense in Philly. What staying power. Good thing Farmer is looking to revolutionize the qb position w/sixth round Spread QBs. LOL
--How did the NO kicker miss that FG.
--Oh wow! 80 yard TD pass in OT to win it for the Saints. I really respect Brees.
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Well, that ended quickly.
WE DON'T NEED A QB BEFORE WE GET A LINE THAT CAN PROTECT HIM
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Lerner actually wanted Brees too.
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A couple of comments:
--The Bengals have way more talent than the Browns. It's not just continuity. But those things are connected... when you turn over FO and coaching, players tend to come and go, everybody wants to build it their own way... not like we've let a TON of talent go, but blowing things up every couple years isn't helping our continuity or our talent...
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--The Bengals have way more talent than the Browns. It's not just continuity. Outside of Green, that's all it is. I am amazed that some really smart people can't see this.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Okay..........so let's go w/continuity. Drafting guys like Gilbert, Johnny, Shelton, and Erving in the first round every year will certainly make us a winner. 
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I completely disagree w/you on this one. They are freaking loaded.
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Like I said, I consider you a smart guy.
And you've had jobs in football.
How you or others can't see this is a mystery to me. I don't say it because I feel like I'm letting you all in on a secret. I say it because I assumed it was obvious.
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I think it falls in between what both of you guys are saying.
I think the Bengals certainly have more talent than we do, but I don't think it's too far off. AJ Green is certainly an outlier, but overall there weapons are better than ours..but I don't think they're elite.
Andy Dalton is above average. Hill is pretty good.
But I also think continuity has a huge role in the development of their players. Had there players gone through 4 or 5 O coordinators and 3 or 4 HC's over the past couple years, they probably wouldn't look as good as they do now. They've all grown and developed together.
No, continuity for the sake of continuity isn't the end all answer. But if you have continuity and draft above average players, you're team is going to be above average.
If you have continuity and draft a bunch of duds, you're probably going to be below average or bad.
If you change out your coordinators and head coach every year or two and draft total garbage, you're going to be like the Browns.
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I think it falls in between what both of you guys are saying.
I think the Bengals certainly have more talent than we do, but I don't think it's too far off. AJ Green is certainly an outlier, but overall there weapons are better than ours..but I don't think they're elite.
Andy Dalton is above average. Hill is pretty good.
But I also think continuity has a huge role in the development of their players. Had there players gone through 4 or 5 O coordinators and 3 or 4 HC's over the past couple years, they probably wouldn't look as good as they do now. They've all grown and developed together.
No, continuity for the sake of continuity isn't the end all answer. But if you have continuity and draft above average players, you're team is going to be above average.
If you have continuity and draft a bunch of duds, you're probably going to be below average or bad.
If you change out your coordinators and head coach every year or two and draft total garbage, you're going to be like the Browns. yea. thats about it.
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Okay..........so let's go w/continuity. Drafting guys like Gilbert, Johnny, Shelton, and Erving in the first round every year will certainly make us a winner. How long did the Bengals have crappy drafts and remain consistent with their group even though they were getting mediocre to sub-mediocre results? Isn't their player personnel guy in his 20th year or something like that? Have they drafted well recently and built a pretty good team, yes... would they have if they had fired Lewis, fired Tobin, and turned them over every couple years, given up on Dalton? They stuck it out with Lewis when many thought he should be canned, they stuck it out with Dalton when others said he was never going to be good enough, they have kept their FO largely in tact... so they are more talented than us and it goes beyond Green... but consistency has played a big part in that.
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Just watched the Cowboys vs Saints (recorded it last night). Really good game. Weeden wasn't bad at all last night. _____________________________ 'This shirtless man caused the Saints to miss a game-winning field goal' http://www.sbnation.com/2015/10/4/945281...ning-field-goalFunny.
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Yeah, I give everyone props that watched the Saints and Cowboys game. I watched a little bit to see how Weeden would play, but I couldn't stomach much. I was pretty much sick of football.
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The Bengals lost both of their coordinators last year. They did replace them with guys that were in the organization but they run different schemes (especially Hugh Jackson). Also, they haven't drafted in the top half of the draft since 2011 where they got Green. The star of these drafts goes to Duke Tobin. Finding Geno Atkins in the 4th round, George Iloka and Marvin Jones in the 5th round. Vontaze Burfict and Vinnie Rey were undrafted. I believe that they have most drafted players on their team in the NFL. It's continuity as these are homegrown players but it's more on finding good players later in the draft.
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They ran a Stat during the Bengals game that said 42 of the Bengals 53 man roster is either drafted or undrafted
Players.
Didn't the Bengals coordinators go to head coaching
Jobs a few yes back?
They just seem to draft good every year and don't whiff on alot of high draft picks.
The Browns and Bengals are getting opposite results
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Like I said, I consider you a smart guy.
And you've had jobs in football.
How you or others can't see this is a mystery to me. I don't say it because I feel like I'm letting you all in on a secret. I say it because I assumed it was obvious. It's obvious if you don't watch the Bengals. You're certainly selling a very believable idea. However, when you watch the Bengals and see their running backs and line the lazy argument falls through. Sounds great. Sounds intelligent. Not true.
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--Love the "Spread" offense in Philly. What staying power. Good thing Farmer is looking to revolutionize the qb position w/sixth round Spread QBs. LOL Four games over two seasons of evidence. Genius.
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--The Bengals have way more talent than the Browns. It's not just continuity. Outside of Green, that's all it is. I am amazed that some really smart people can't see this. Fair enough. Name all the Browns who could start for the Bengals at the offensive skill positions right now.
After 55 years, I'm walking away from this dumpster fire. Good luck to everyone who continues to hang on. You'll need it.
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Back Off for Goff Power Rankings:
1. 49ers
2. Bears
3. Jaguars
4. Texans
5. Browns
(Blake Bortles through his first 17 career starts: 57% completion, 17 TD, 20 INT, 5.3 yards per attempt. Yuck.)
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It 100% is true. Continuity and stability breed development.
It's not rocket science. Those players are excelling because of it.
Do you think a Sanu, a Bernard, a M.Jones, a Hill would perform the exact same way on the Browns that they are on the Bengals? It's absurd to even think that.
This appears to be a tough concept for people to get their heads around. I'm not sure I can help you.
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Lewis was also thought to be in jeopardy of losing his job early in his Bengals career. He was OK, but the team still had not turned things around. He had a 3 year timeframe where he went from 11-5 to 8-8, 7-9, and 4-11-1. He then went 11-5, then fell back to 4-12.
The Bengals stuck with him though.
I hope that the Browns will follow a similar path. The Bengals were once known as the "Bungles". It took time to shed that image, and change that mindset. They had gone through a 12 year period of time where they could not get out of their own way.
I hope that we will have some stability, and allow people to grow and change the loser mindset we have had for far too long.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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fyi...Skrine still wouldn't star over T Williams nor Haden...he would be in the slot.
Kawon Williams is a good slot but so far has proven injury prone.
We just thought we would have to spend too much money to compete. Actually it was the right decision. Haden down I don't see an improvement on the outside. Inside not much better than KW just too big of a contract.
Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off!
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Agreed.
If we fans were employed under the same conditions as the Browns staff(s), how many of us would still have our jobs? How many of us are MUCH better at our jobs than we were 2 years into employment?
Short attention span, disgruntled fans, "win now or else" atmosphere, 3 changes in ownership, hodge-podge player personnel (due to repeated regime change), 7 head coaches, 6 GM's...
...and folks wonder why we're constantly in the cellar of the NFL's most stable and consistent division?
Do the same things repeatedly; get the same results. Only the names change. Read it and weep, fans.
We're looking at 2-3 more years even WITH this FO before any consistent improvement will show on the field. True, LASTING success will never come to Cleveland until we give a regime- ANY regime- time enough to learn their jobs. This bunch is no different.
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Ask Atlanta about continuity. They kept their coach for years. They regressed to 6 and 8 last year. Heck, we beat them at their place.
They blew things up and are 4 and 0 this year.
Denver fired their coach. They are also 4 and 0.
Who else? Hmmmmm.....
The Jets have a new coach. They are 3 and 1.
The Bills are 2 and 2.
The Bears --not so good---they are 1 and 3.
49ers? 1 and 3.
Am I missing anyone?
I know Arizona brought in Arians last year and went 11 and 5 and are 3 and 1 this year.
I don't know if we absolutely declare that continuity is the key to success. I think Atlanta is the perfect example of that. They brought in a great DC to be their HC and a very bright OC to run the offense. They are already close to matching their win total of all of last year.
Man, can you imagine if we would have wanted to acquire both Quinn and Shannahan? Man, that would be so.....
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NRTU.
Was listening to the Bengals game on the radio. One of the guys must be an ex-player, based on what he says. He comes off as not-to-smart, borderline functional. Excitable, though.
Anyway, he was describing a block where one comes in high and another low, saying that back in the day it was called an accordion block because the guy would bend like a folding chair.
Reminded me of Biff from Back to the Future.
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NRTU.
Was listening to the Bengals game on the radio. One of the guys must be an ex-player, based on what he says. He comes off as not-to-smart, borderline functional. Excitable, though.
Anyway, he was describing a block where one comes in high and another low, saying that back in the day it was called an accordion block because the guy would bend like a folding chair.
Reminded me of Biff from Back to the Future. Dude, just make like a tree and get out of here.
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NRTU.
Was listening to the Bengals game on the radio. One of the guys must be an ex-player, based on what he says. He comes off as not-to-smart, borderline functional. Excitable, though.
Anyway, he was describing a block where one comes in high and another low, saying that back in the day it was called an accordion block because the guy would bend like a folding chair.
Reminded me of Biff from Back to the Future. Dave Lampham. Did he continuously interrupt the play-by-play guy (Dan Hoard) with his yelling? Couldn't stand listening to him.
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