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Sometimes, doo-doo occurs and you're just going to have a bad go of things due to circumstances out of your control. [quote] i am sure farmer pointed that out to haslam when he was saying pettine cannot devolope young talent. Where did you get that information......
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Here you go PB and unlike yourself I am listing links to my quotes.  http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2015/07/31/ray-farmer-mike-pettine-relationship/“The guy doesn’t invite you to his summer home if he’s mad at you or there’s a problem,” Farmer said. “Mike said it best, we’re singing from the same hymnal.” “The reality is that me and Mike have no issues. I can’t tell you when I’ve ever been in some knockdown, drag-out argument with the man, ever.” Pettine said the shingles of trust that were blown from the Browns’ roof by Text-gate have already been replaced. “I understood the root cause of it,” Pettine said. “Ray is very competitive, he’s a former player and has his opinions that he voices. He made a mistake in trying to share them. “I didn’t think that it was that far broken that it needed to be … it wasn’t one of those where we’re cursing at each other. There was no blind-siding. It was all very much out in the open. He and I met like men and looked each other in the eye and moved on from it.” http://www.ohio.com/sports/browns/marla-...t-gate-1.567950
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BTW PB the tin foil hate remark was for these two things you posted
i am sure farmer pointed that out to haslam when he was saying pettine cannot devolope young talent.
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not funny. just common sense. i mean the guy was texting on gameday about what players were playing, going into the coach game review expressing concerns, why wouldnt he express those concerns to the owner?
Maybe you should tin foil your entire house.
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BTW PB the tin foil hate remark was for these two things you posted
i am sure farmer pointed that out to haslam when he was saying pettine cannot devolope young talent.
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not funny. just common sense. i mean the guy was texting on gameday about what players were playing, going into the coach game review expressing concerns, why wouldnt he express those concerns to the owner?
Maybe you should tin foil your entire house. Texting on game day and expressing concerns during the coaches game reviews could be simply Farmer trying to be too hands on and more involved than he should be. The only reason I can see for him to go to Jimmy (if he did) about anything is if he's trying to undercut Pet. Either because he wants him out, or he at least wants the balance of power tipped in his favor.
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BTW PB the tin foil hate remark was for these two things you posted
i am sure farmer pointed that out to haslam when he was saying pettine cannot devolope young talent.
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not funny. just common sense. i mean the guy was texting on gameday about what players were playing, going into the coach game review expressing concerns, why wouldnt he express those concerns to the owner?
Maybe you should tin foil your entire house. i think you may need one if you have that little common sense.
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BTW PB the tin foil hate remark was for these two things you posted
i am sure farmer pointed that out to haslam when he was saying pettine cannot devolope young talent.
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not funny. just common sense. i mean the guy was texting on gameday about what players were playing, going into the coach game review expressing concerns, why wouldnt he express those concerns to the owner?
Maybe you should tin foil your entire house. Texting on game day and expressing concerns during the coaches game reviews could be simply Farmer trying to be too hands on and more involved than he should be. The only reason I can see for him to go to Jimmy (if he did) about anything is if he's trying to undercut Pet. Either because he wants him out, or he at least wants the balance of power tipped in his favor. Do we have any kinda proof or an article or anything where anyone says that Farmer went to Haslam with concerns about anything? Or is that someones imagination getting away from them?
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BTW PB the tin foil hate remark was for these two things you posted
i am sure farmer pointed that out to haslam when he was saying pettine cannot devolope young talent.
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not funny. just common sense. i mean the guy was texting on gameday about what players were playing, going into the coach game review expressing concerns, why wouldnt he express those concerns to the owner?
Maybe you should tin foil your entire house. Texting on game day and expressing concerns during the coaches game reviews could be simply Farmer trying to be too hands on and more involved than he should be. The only reason I can see for him to go to Jimmy (if he did) about anything is if he's trying to undercut Pet. Either because he wants him out, or he at least wants the balance of power tipped in his favor. Do we have any kinda proof or an article or anything where anyone says that Farmer went to Haslam with concerns about anything? Or is that someones imagination getting away from them? I haven't seen one. I think its just a conclusion someone has made. In fairness I can see where someone might make that assumption though.
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The last three posts are designed to ridicule posters who don't agree w/you guys. I know. You've NEVER done that before.
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Oh I see now because you want to make up what Farmer was texting, what was going on in the coaching game review, and that Farmer was complaining to Jimmy about Pet, that I have no common sense. That's not a rabbit your pulling out of your hat. It's wild ass crap your pulling out of your backside
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Where will Farmer be today? In the stadium watching the game? Was he at Brown's headquarters w/the team the last few weeks?
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Texting on game day and expressing concerns during the coaches game reviews could be simply Farmer trying to be too hands on and more involved than he should be.
The only reason I can see for him to go to Jimmy (IF he did) about anything is if he's trying to undercut Pet. Either because he wants him out, or he at least wants the balance of power tipped in his favor. Farmer needs to worry about doing his own job...obviously. And IF Farmer does want Pettine out or the balance of power tipped in his favor, he needs to go. Now.
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Where will Farmer be today? In the stadium watching the game? Was he at Brown's headquarters w/the team the last few weeks? It would be nice if he was scheduling some people to help him move out of Berea tomorrow.
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Oh I see now because you want to make up what Farmer was texting, what was going on in the coaching game review, and that Farmer was complaining to Jimmy about Pet, that I have no common sense. That's not a rabbit your pulling out of your hat. It's wild ass crap your pulling out of your backside its common sense based on fact.
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Where will Farmer be today? In the stadium watching the game? Was he at Brown's headquarters w/the team the last few weeks?
You know damn well he won't be anywhere new berea until Monday.
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I don't believe you get suspended for four games just for taking orders for Jimmy Johns. Ask Pblack he thinks he knows what Ray ordered for diner today 
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Oh I see now because you want to make up what Farmer was texting, what was going on in the coaching game review, and that Farmer was complaining to Jimmy about Pet, that I have no common sense. That's not a rabbit your pulling out of your hat. It's wild ass crap your pulling out of your backside its common sense based on fact. *Hands pblack some charmin wipes* You are going to need these before you touch any food today.
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I don't believe you get suspended for four games just for taking orders for Jimmy Johns. Ask Pblack he thinks he knows what Ray ordered for diner today crow. 
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Oh I see now because you want to make up what Farmer was texting, what was going on in the coaching game review, and that Farmer was complaining to Jimmy about Pet, that I have no common sense. That's not a rabbit your pulling out of your hat. It's wild ass crap your pulling out of your backside its common sense based on fact. *Hands pblack some charmin wipes* You are going to need these before you touch any food today. well your opinion is based on sticking your head in the sand. it is truly sad that you have so little common sense.
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Jimmie hired Farmer because he thought Miami knew Farmer was a must have GM and he didn't want to loos him, besides, at that time nobody any good wanted the job. Farmer hired Petine because at that time everybody good was either already hired or didn't want the job. So, Jimmie, you are going to have to throw a lot of money at a good football mind in order to bring him to Cleveland to run this show. Big money! I suspect a majority of us would agree that this is how it went down, with the exception that the Miami angle forced a situation that Jimmy wanted to do anyhow. Banner was going, and Farmer was the "hot one" although I was very skeptical and concerned. Jimmy thought he had it figured out. You hire character, intelligence, work ethic, experience, and street smarts. I think Farmer has some of those qualities, and he lacks others. As hard as it is to write this... I wish we would have held fort with Banner, Chud, Norv, and Horton -- Mingo aside. Other than possibly not having Bitoinio, I can't see it being much worse. Farmer will probably get another draft and it disturbs me. I'm not calling for Pettine's head. I posted a thread last year asking if you guy's thought Pettine was a winner. Bottom line, there are coaches who are winners. They are rare. They develop players and they win. We all know who they are. Not so sure about his D Coordinator. For those of you re-hashing Junior. Junior was not an NFL owner. He was a spoiled child with a bunch of toys. You don't win a super bowl with a detached owner who doesn't really manage things. Throwing money only works in strip bars. Pettine may become a winner. But, as many of you have alluded to, if things continue along this path, he will never be in a position to prove it. Another Farmer draft, another two years before we even start to re-build again. Damn
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I'm much more comfortable giving Farmer more time than I am Pettine. This team still makes humiliating stupid mistakes routinely. We had 12 penalties today that absolutely killed. We had guys routinely out of position and over pursuing. This team lacks discipline and Pettine plays not to win but rather not to lose. Sorry I get I am in the minority, but Pettine is showing himself to be a LOSER not a winner. If this team doesn't show some growth I have no problems cutting the cord with him.
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Pettine does not have the mental makeup to be a HC, he will never be a winner and when you get a HC job based of your merit as a DC, and your defense is historically bad each year you're in charge...you will not last long
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So uh, welcome back Ray Farmer. Some people think this guy is getting his walking papers today.
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So uh, welcome back Ray Farmer. Some people think this guy is getting his walking papers today. Who?
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So uh, welcome back Ray Farmer. Some people think this guy is getting his walking papers today. Who? Few my buds, people talking at work this morning and all over. Do/did you really even need to ask, as if it's totally not believable? Would you really be shocked if it happened given the circumstances?
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So uh, welcome back Ray Farmer. Some people think this guy is getting his walking papers today. Who? Few my buds, people talking at work this morning and all over. Do/did you really even need to ask, as if it's totally not believable? Would you really be shocked if it happened given the circumstances? Yes. I'd be kinda shocked. I would expect it to happen at the end of the season, if at all. Doing something now creates unnecessary chaos on a season that is quickly spinning out of control. A GM being fired almost means Pettine's time is coming to an end. That means the players feel like the FO is giving up after week 4. Just not a good approach, IMO.
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With the way the players are playing, I'm not sure more chaos would make them play any worse.
To clarify, I'm not advocating him getting axed, just lamenting the large amount of buzz around that topic.
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Browns GM returns to work after four-game suspension Posted by Zac Jackson on October 5, 2015, 9:29 AM EDT Ray Farmer AP After serving a four-game suspension to start the season, Monday marks the first day Browns general manager Ray Farmer is allowed to return to the team. There will not be a parade. The Browns are 1-3 after losing Sunday in San Diego on a field goal with no time left. The offense has shown signs of life over the last six quarters but the defense has allowed 102 points in four games and has surrendered more yards than any other in the league. In Farmer’s absence the Browns cut Terrelle Pryor, their summer wide receiver project, and added Austin Davis and Robert Turbin to the mix at quarterback and running back, respectively. Davis is the third quarterback but got a contract extension last week; Turbin is still recovering from a high ankle sprain and has not played. The roster Farmer has been charged with assembling still has holes. The struggling defense is full of high-priced veterans. Wide receiver Dwayne Bowe got a $9 million guarantee in a two-year deal last spring but does not have a catch this season. The Browns were down two cornerbacks Sunday due to injury, and the coaches chose to play backup safety Johnson Bademosi over 2014 first-round pick Justin Gilbert. Farmer drafted Gilbert and Johnny Manziel in the first round of his first draft. Last spring, he drafted nose tackle Danny Shelton and offensive lineman Cameron Erving in the first round. Shelton is a starter for a defense that’s 31st against the run on this young season after being 32nd last year; Erving is a backup. There’s a lot of season left, and both Farmer and Browns coach Mike Pettine would like to think they have time to clean things up. But the Browns have won once since last Nov. 30, and it’s fair to wonder how patient owner Jimmy Haslam will be if more wins don’t come soon. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...ame-suspension/
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Ha, they'd like to THINK they have time to clean things up, but I'm not sure they can.
I really want to believe, but it's getting harder. Not so much a problem on Offense, but damn, it's depressing to see the D get run over like it is.
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Just not a good approach, IMO. Agreed, Memphis. It sends a message and although not directed at the players specifically, the message may not be well received. You have to believe that O'Neill is on the hot seat although I don't pretend to know whether it's the players or the scheme...
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Browns GM returns to work after four-game suspension Posted by Zac Jackson on October 5, 2015, 9:29 AM EDT Ray Farmer AP After serving a four-game suspension to start the season, Monday marks the first day Browns general manager Ray Farmer is allowed to return to the team. There will not be a parade. The Browns are 1-3 after losing Sunday in San Diego on a field goal with no time left. The offense has shown signs of life over the last six quarters but the defense has allowed 102 points in four games and has surrendered more yards than any other in the league. In Farmer’s absence the Browns cut Terrelle Pryor, their summer wide receiver project, and added Austin Davis and Robert Turbin to the mix at quarterback and running back, respectively. Davis is the third quarterback but got a contract extension last week; Turbin is still recovering from a high ankle sprain and has not played. The roster Farmer has been charged with assembling still has holes. The struggling defense is full of high-priced veterans. Wide receiver Dwayne Bowe got a $9 million guarantee in a two-year deal last spring but does not have a catch this season. The Browns were down two cornerbacks Sunday due to injury, and the coaches chose to play backup safety Johnson Bademosi over 2014 first-round pick Justin Gilbert. Farmer drafted Gilbert and Johnny Manziel in the first round of his first draft. Last spring, he drafted nose tackle Danny Shelton and offensive lineman Cameron Erving in the first round. Shelton is a starter for a defense that’s 31st against the run on this young season after being 32nd last year; Erving is a backup. There’s a lot of season left, and both Farmer and Browns coach Mike Pettine would like to think they have time to clean things up. But the Browns have won once since last Nov. 30, and it’s fair to wonder how patient owner Jimmy Haslam will be if more wins don’t come soon. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...ame-suspension/Ray! you're finally back from the dog house. Do your job and go spank the kids they've been bad. Don't screw up again or else.
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Don't post much but read everyday. This team is so frustrating at times. When it looked like the O would be pedestrian, they are actually scoring points.
When it looked that the D was making progress they take two steps backwards. How do you go from being one of the most efficient tackling teams last year to can't tackling anybody.
Last year Run D was terrible (and still is) and Pass D acceptable but getting torched this year.
Pet said at the beginning of this year he was spending his time with the Offense to get more involved. I think that he may want to re-think that and get back with O'Neil to fix this Defense.
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Rish...In hind sight you are right - for the fact that we are playing McCown for the NOW and best shot at winning...then go 0-2 its easy to go...ummm fellas we didn't win.
Daman...you are right...and I'm not so sure how wrong your dad was about Gilliam it was an era still where Black QBs were not an accepted option. Thank goodness times have changed.
btw...in those days the concept was you had to give a HC 5 years to build their teams. Now a days with FA it has changed to 3 years.
I just hope we give them the 3 years.
As for NOW well in his first season he had the most wins since 2007 So not a total disaster - the last 5 games of losses dampened the good. This season its been the D that has disappointed. And in all honesty this last game could of been a complete blow out by us on them except for the fact a very Good QB played Great!
Farmer has the luxury to say - Hey I'm gone 4 games and we go 1-3!!!
Who goes first...possibly some young fans who just can't take it any more. Right before we break our cherry and set ourselves straight!
Who goes first...right now I hope its Bowe all though we waited a long time and I think he is ready to go assuming he is worth it!
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never know. might start wining and no one is gone. people forget last year our defense had a slow start. wasnt until after the 5th game until the started looking like a real defense. same with joe haden. he had a bad first 5 games last year.
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