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Go Tribe. Wild Card maybe, huh? I would love to see them sneak in.

LOL 15 , Your going to stand your ground against every unknowable Baseball poster on the board ; You go Boy ! !

Shame about the loss that Tomlin had to take tonight.

They do, at least as well as any stat shows anything.

No. They don't. Which is why no viable baseball mind would use those statistics to show a player's value.

Crazy how the summer and baseball season has flown by, was planning on trying to make it to a game early in the season. May try to make one or two of the Boston series.

Can't post a vid but did ya see the fireworks guy screw up after a KC homer? Sorry but it was funny

I was just going to post this. The poor guy was hanging his head in shame, lol.

Haha, no I haven't caught the past couple games bc I'm out in the field this week. I'll have to YouTube it.

Indians with a big win tonight to move to 3 games out of both WildCard spots with 16 games left.

Tom Hamilton calling Santana's grand slam.

I'll rock my 1970s red throwback tomorrow. Figures they catch fire when I head back up to Alaska.

Harry Doyle: The Indians win it! The Indians win it! Oh my GOD, the Indians win it!



Lou Brown: [Lou's talk to the team before the opening day game] All right people, we got 10 minutes 'till game time, let's all gather 'round. I'm not much for giving inspirational addresses, but I'd just like to point out that every newspaper in the country has picked us to finish last. The local press seems to think that we'd save everyone the time and trouble if we just went out and shot ourselves. Me, I'm for wasting sportswriters' time. So I figured we ought to hang around for a while and see if we can give 'em all a nice big crapburger to eat!

[entire team laughs]

Nice beat down on Boston last night ! Win the last two and we finish one game over 500 ...

Yup, that's about all we can ask for at this point.

Man, I'd really like to replay a few of those April and May games with Gomes. His injury killed this team. They are a totally different team with him behind the dish.

Oh well, looking forward to a great postseason.

Or how about calling up Lindor a month earlier.

Lindor couldn't get rid of the lack of run support, deadweight from Bourn and Swisher, undo awful drafting of years prior, or find a competent owner to run this team.

Our problems rest far beyond Lindor coming up "too late".

Not calling up Lindor before July was all about the $$$$$ involved if they did .. The problem has been and continues to be the MISSING LINK ; A clean - up batter .. An honest to goodness 4 spot man ( right handed preferred , lol )

I think I already know the answer to this question, but I'll ask it anyway....

Why do our FA acquisitions never have the impact they are supposed to have for us?

And, why does it seem the vast majority that leave us go on to perennial playoff contenders?

The answer : Our team is in Cleveland...

Seriously, though. Anyone have an idea?

What could be happening is that we bring in these FA's to be the core of our team whereas those free agents go to other teams to be accessory players.

How ironic.

On this, the last day of the 6 month season, the Tribe is right where they were before game #1. (.500)

We're one game over, at 81-80. (with one game left) (With one game that was missed, not being made up)

What it means to be a Cleveland sports fan.

How many of us didn't see this coming.

If Gomes doesn't get hurt, we probably get a wildcard spot. Who knows from there...

Gomes was a four win player last year. He was a one win player this year (because of the injuries). He would have helped, but him being injured is not the difference.

Having the defense not be crap for half the season would have made the biggest difference.

Kluber going 18-9, like he did last year, would have given us 90 wins. Even if he wins 15 we'd have beaten out NY and Houston for the WC. But instead he had a tough year (9-16) sometimes because he stunk, but mostly from getting no run support.

It's almost like pitcher wins is a horribly flawed statistic that tells us nothing meaningful about an individual's performance.

Even with our anemic offense? The lack of guys besides Brantley, Kipnis, a serviceable Gomes, and Lindor (who really only caught fire the last two months) killed us in many games.

Crap defense can't undo the small margin for error we continually possess on offense.

To a point I agree, although its still about the W. Pitchers are at the mercy of the defense behind them and the run support his team provides. Kluber had a regression this year, but he should still have been at .500 winning pct, at least. HR's hurt him when he was bad, but a lot of the time he was getting 1-2-3 runs of support each outing.

The defense was the worst in the league for a good portion of the season. That is exactly the type of thing that makes up for small margin of error.

Once the Indians got the defense fixed, they were one of the better teams in the AL.

Also, you forgot to mention Carlos Santana. He is a good offensive player. He was 20th in OBP this year. That is very valuable.

Lindor had 4.6 fWAR and he only played in 99 games. He was one of the best players in the American League.

It doesn't matter whether you agree or not. Pitcher wins is a horrible way of judging any pitcher.

To you, perhaps not to him.

I don't care as much about pitcher wins as I do RBI's, and I'm told by "stat guy" that RBI's don't matter anymore. smh.

I always have and always will take the dude driving in 80 as opposed to 60... even if the dude with 60 has a phenomenal BABITIPSYFIP. During day games. 7th inning or later. On the road.

Nice; thank you very little for that.



This is hyperbole. Its not "horrible", just incomplete.

If no front office uses it as a measure of a quality player, why should the fans?

(Same goes for RBI, which is a team stat, not an individual stat.)

Gotsta go at it one more time .. Santana is valuable only when not batting out of position .. He kills this team batting clean up !

In the games Gomes played, in which he only played in 95 games this year, the Indians were 52-43. That would mean they were 29-37 in the games he was out (yes, he didn't miss all of those due to his April injury, but in general, they play better baseball with him catching).

My point wasn't that his bat would be the difference, it's how he handles the pitchers. Even with him hitting .231 all season, they did perform a lot better with him there.

Of course, it's not that easy to say his abilities to call a game was the full difference in the amount of wins with him in or out of the lineup. Heck, Lindor's appearance on the team made the team better and that coincided with Gomez being back in the lineup. Did Lindor and Gomes combine to help or was it mostly on one of them? Hard to pinpoint.

Bringing up Lindor, Urshella, and surprisingly enough, bringing Chisenhall back up and having him play RF dramatically improved the defense. I read a report that said that Chisenhall was one of the very top defensive RF since he rejoined the team.

Still can't hit for average !

He posted a .246 average for the year, and looks like a guy who might be part of a platoon in RF. He hit .288 after he All Star break.