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Well, our defense blows. Let's 'chat' about as to why. In no order.........
First, our secondary is junk right now. They are allowing quick release passes which does a few things:
Kills any time for a rush to hit home.
Keeps us from loading up the box for run support
Since we play man press, we either fear the short so we play too tight and get beat deep or vice versa, we fear the deep so we give them every dink and dunk pass.
Second, our outside linebackers are a joke. We talk about setting the edge and why we fail miserably at that, well Mingo, Orchard and Armonty are the blame mostly. Our only solid OLB, Paul, I see now dropping back into pass coverage ALOT. This makes like, no sense to me factoring he's best at the edge or rushing.
Thirdly, chunk plays and the amount of them we give up. We can get into this nice rhythm, suffocating the pass, suffocating the run and pressuring, then we'll give up a huge chunk play. Generally the big plays we give up are fact skewing and generally hurts if not kills us.
Fourth, we cannot ever get off the field on 3rd down.
Fifth, scheme. Truthfully, IMO, we need to go more zone. We don't have a secondary that can play in the fashion Jimmy O'Neil/Mike are asking and expecting. I'm sure Joe Haden would/will agree.
Sixth, we look like schoolyard sissies when there's a tackle in open space or in general sometimes.
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Our secondary has been hit hard bu injury. That hurts any team.
Our DL has a ton of 1st year players (to the defense) and we saw how players struggled with the defense last year, until they got their assignments down pat.
OLB is a major, major concern. Kruger is in a role in which he does not excel because we had to put him in that role because of the injuries to Solomon. We have no one who has shown the ability to rush the passer from the other side, and yet they also have failed in setting an edge, or covering receivers out of the backfield.
I am hopeful that when we get people back from injury, and the DL better learns their assignments, that the defense will improve. There is concern though.
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I'm just tired of watching every single OLBer crash inside so that RBs have a wide open edge to run around..
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Browns reassessing play of defense with Philip Rivers operating at ease But the Browns' defense gave the Chargers the chance for a field goal as time expired in the 30-27 loss. It left some Browns players questioning a unit that was supposed to be a team strength. "We got to get everything corrected," Williams said after the Browns had their third game in which they've given up 27 or more points. "As players we're the ones out there playing. "Whether we have to speak up a little bit more and say what we feel we need to do, whether we feel we need more variety of things or different things, just have to step up and say it," the defensive back added. "Once you look up, the season's going to be over." Williams and linebacker Paul Kruger both said Chargers quarterback Philip Rivers seemed to often recognize what the Browns were going to do. That is a strength of Rivers, but the players seemed concerned. "He knew a lot of things that we were doing," Williams said. "There were a lot of situations where he was kind of seeing what we were doing and making adjustments," Kruger said. The Browns' defensive problems go beyond Rivers recognizing defenses, though. In the past three games, Rivers, Marcus Mariota and Derek Carr have thrown for 929 yards with seven touchdowns and no interceptions against the Browns with a combined quarterback rating of 109.9. The numbers are even more eye-opening when it's considered the Browns started Sunday's game ranked last in the league in run defense. "We need to find out what we can hang our hat on," Kruger said, "and keep doing that." Williams said on-field communication is good, and the team has heart. But he added that in Green Bay there was "more variety" in the defensive calls. "But it is what it is," Williams said. "When we came here we knew what the scheme was. No excuses." Williams was involved in the game-deciding play, as his offside penalty gave Josh Lambo a second try for the game winner, which he made on an untimed down. "You got to go for it," Williams said. "I come from a place [Green Bay] where we're looking to win. That's what we want here." "What do I say to him?" coach Mike Pettine said. "I don't say anything to him. He battled and played his tail off for 60 minutes, and at the end he tried to make a play. It was just a shade early. "I'm not going to say anything to him other than, 'Thanks for your effort.'" http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/138116...-diego-chargersnot sure if this goes here or the Team Morale post. sure looks like players are questioning the coaching?
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No offense LB, but I wonder if people even care anymore.
I'm tired of 10+ years of analyzing what's wrong.
Put a winning product on the field. I'll start caring again.
Not directed at you really. It's just after so many years and the same rhetoric out of the player's and coach's mouths year after year, game after game, it gets exhausting and numbing.
When we tied the game on Gabriel's two point conversion, I didn't make a movement or a sound. I just sat on my coach watching as if it was just two teams playing and not my favorite team.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Browns reassessing play of defense with Philip Rivers operating at ease But the Browns' defense gave the Chargers the chance for a field goal as time expired in the 30-27 loss. It left some Browns players questioning a unit that was supposed to be a team strength. "We got to get everything corrected," Williams said after the Browns had their third game in which they've given up 27 or more points. "As players we're the ones out there playing. "Whether we have to speak up a little bit more and say what we feel we need to do, whether we feel we need more variety of things or different things, just have to step up and say it," the defensive back added. "Once you look up, the season's going to be over." Williams and linebacker Paul Kruger both said Chargers quarterback Philip Rivers seemed to often recognize what the Browns were going to do. That is a strength of Rivers, but the players seemed concerned. "He knew a lot of things that we were doing," Williams said. "There were a lot of situations where he was kind of seeing what we were doing and making adjustments," Kruger said. The Browns' defensive problems go beyond Rivers recognizing defenses, though. In the past three games, Rivers, Marcus Mariota and Derek Carr have thrown for 929 yards with seven touchdowns and no interceptions against the Browns with a combined quarterback rating of 109.9. The numbers are even more eye-opening when it's considered the Browns started Sunday's game ranked last in the league in run defense. "We need to find out what we can hang our hat on," Kruger said, "and keep doing that." Williams said on-field communication is good, and the team has heart. But he added that in Green Bay there was "more variety" in the defensive calls. "But it is what it is," Williams said. "When we came here we knew what the scheme was. No excuses." Williams was involved in the game-deciding play, as his offside penalty gave Josh Lambo a second try for the game winner, which he made on an untimed down. "You got to go for it," Williams said. "I come from a place [Green Bay] where we're looking to win. That's what we want here." "What do I say to him?" coach Mike Pettine said. "I don't say anything to him. He battled and played his tail off for 60 minutes, and at the end he tried to make a play. It was just a shade early. "I'm not going to say anything to him other than, 'Thanks for your effort.'" http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/138116...-diego-chargersnot sure if this goes here or the Team Morale post. sure looks like players are questioning the coaching? Haden made his own choice not go yesterday, according to Pettine. When a veteran chooses not to play because of a finger injury, yes.......there is a huge problem. And no Mr. Pettine.........we are not close to anything but ineptness.
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http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2013/10/post_26.htmlSince the Browns returned in 1999, they've never had a defense this good. Not even close.Offensive coordinator Norv Turner mentioned the defense at his Thursday press conference. He said the offense has to continue to keep away from turnovers, "so we give our defense a chance to keep playing like they've been playing."The impressive aspect is how solid the defense has been in nearly every aspect: Third in sacks, seventh vs. the pass, eighth vs. the run, ninth in points allowed. It's the type of quick, swarming, aggressive defense that the front office and head coach Rob Chudzinski pictured when they hired Horton We had a good defense, and threw it away by firing Chud, Horton, and Turner....we fired a young Dick Lebeau for gods sake!!! a guy that worked under Lebeau from 2004-2010. He gave us a Top 10 D in 1 year and we threw it all away. If anything we should be hiring this guy as our Head Coach, the team obviously responds to him
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Nn No offense LB, but I wonder if people even care anymore.
I'm tired of 10+ years of analyzing what's wrong.
Put a winning product on the field. I'll start caring again.
Not directed at you really. It's just after so many years and the same rhetoric out of the player's and coach's mouths year after year, game after game, it gets exhausting and numbing.
When we tied the game on Gabriel's two point conversion, I didn't make a movement or a sound. I just sat on my coach watching as if it was just two teams playing and not my favorite team. You have your own coach? 😗 Does he have any interest in coaching the Browns. Just kiddin with ya!
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Our secondary has been hit hard bu injury. That hurts any team.
No argument there!
Our DL has a ton of 1st year players (to the defense) and we saw how players struggled with the defense last year, until they got their assignments down pat.
*EDIT*, oh I see. 1st year players "to the defense". I get your point now, and it's a valid one.
No offense LB, but I wonder if people even care anymore.
I'm tired of 10+ years of analyzing what's wrong.
Put a winning product on the field. I'll start caring again.
Not directed at you really. It's just after so many years and the same rhetoric out of the player's and coach's mouths year after year, game after game, it gets exhausting and numbing.
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Trust me man, no need to even start your sentence off with "No offense", I get it. I really do. I myself have turned the tv off or flipped channels before or shortly after halftime x2 this year, and I've pretty much always gutted it out whether up or down in points. Two of my closet buds have pretty much threw the middle finger up and could care less if on Sundays they miss the games or not. I think one doesn't even watch anymore.
It's brutal at the thought of just how bad we are, how we've been and no signs of much improvement, if any... Haden made his own choice not go yesterday, according to Pettine. When a veteran chooses not to play because of a finger injury, yes.......there is a huge problem.
On 92.3 they played the clip a few times. Pettine said, and 100% quote: "... We left it up to Joe and he made the decision that he didn't want to go."
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http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2013/10/post_26.htmlSince the Browns returned in 1999, they've never had a defense this good. Not even close.Offensive coordinator Norv Turner mentioned the defense at his Thursday press conference. He said the offense has to continue to keep away from turnovers, "so we give our defense a chance to keep playing like they've been playing."The impressive aspect is how solid the defense has been in nearly every aspect: Third in sacks, seventh vs. the pass, eighth vs. the run, ninth in points allowed. It's the type of quick, swarming, aggressive defense that the front office and head coach Rob Chudzinski pictured when they hired Horton We had a good defense, and threw it away by firing Chud, Horton, and Turner....we fired a young Dick Lebeau for gods sake!!! a guy that worked under Lebeau from 2004-2010. He gave us a Top 10 D in 1 year and we threw it all away. If anything we should be hiring this guy as our Head Coach, the team obviously responds to him
"I've never heard anyone like him," said the undrafted free agent from Wyoming. "He's so intense, so inspirational." - TaShaun Gipson when talking about Coach Ray Horton.
Chud, Turner and Horton were the 3 to pull us out of this rut and our owner knejerked and set us back about 15 years. What a shame. Pretty much what I was talking about in the gameday thread and post game. We had an elite defense with Horton then the reset took place after just 1 year. That decision by Haslam set us back a long time. I am convinced that we would be looking at a more competitive team by now, even possibly pushing for the division and playoffs.
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I http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2013/10/post_26.htmlSince the Browns returned in 1999, they've never had a defense this good. Not even close.Offensive coordinator Norv Turner mentioned the defense at his Thursday press conference. He said the offense has to continue to keep away from turnovers, "so we give our defense a chance to keep playing like they've been playing."The impressive aspect is how solid the defense has been in nearly every aspect: Third in sacks, seventh vs. the pass, eighth vs. the run, ninth in points allowed. It's the type of quick, swarming, aggressive defense that the front office and head coach Rob Chudzinski pictured when they hired Horton We had a good defense, and threw it away by firing Chud, Horton, and Turner....we fired a young Dick Lebeau for gods sake!!! a guy that worked under Lebeau from 2004-2010. He gave us a Top 10 D in 1 year and we threw it all away. If anything we should be hiring this guy as our Head Coach, the team obviously responds to him
"I've never heard anyone like him," said the undrafted free agent from Wyoming. "He's so intense, so inspirational." - TaShaun Gipson when talking about Coach Ray Horton.
Chud, Turner and Horton were the 3 to pull us out of this rut and our owner knejerked and set us back about 15 years. What a shame. I wasn't on these boards when all that went down with Chud getting Fired and I've never seen it fully explained. Why was he canned?
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I'd say my major concern is that the team has forgot that they were coached on how to tackle. Bad angles to major hits usually cost us about 10 points per game.
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"I'm not going to say anything to him other than, 'Thanks for your effort.'"
That will make a nice parting statement to the entire team when you're fired. "Thanks for the effort".
If it were a regular down, then perhaps I could see the point. But this was a LONG FG attempt. On THOSE plays you make SURE you aren't off side and hope he misses it. You for DAMNED sure don't give them a free play.
Except of course here in Cleveland. He was playing like a Brown. *snicker*
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Oneil is a terrible DC. He has no idea how to generate a pass rush. TWO sacks against a team playing without their LT LG and Center. Think about that..... Imagine the Browns losing Joe Thomas, Bitonio, AND Mack. Now imagine a team only getting two sacks against us.... Yeah right.
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IMO Williams took a calculated risk when he jumped offside. A 39-yarder in San Diego is pretty easy in this day and age and he took a gamble. Lost, but worth the risk.
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Oneil is a terrible DC. He has no idea how to generate a pass rush. TWO sacks against a team playing without their LT LG and Center. Think about that..... Imagine the Browns losing Joe Thomas, Bitonio, AND Mack. Now imagine a team only getting two sacks against us.... Yeah right. And Fluker was limping around with a sprained ankle. He could barely stand up. And we got toasted.
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A few thoughts:
--I saw we are ranked last in total defense.
--Guess who is leading the league in tackles? DQ. Dansby is 18th. And DQ has 3.5 stuffs while Dansby has 1.5. Whit is 20th in tackles. No other Brown is listed on the page.
--Pet's run defense was near the bottom, or at the bottom, of the league when he was in Buffalo. I think it's scheme. He puts a lot of pressure on this qbs and has his ends crash down, this leaves the edge [8 and 9 holes] vulnerable.
--I think late last year and at the beginning of this year that we have tried to compensate for this a bit. However, this fix puts even more pressure on the dbs to cover for longer periods of time because they now have the ILBers plugging the B and C gaps, while the ends and OLBs try to fight outside.
--Starks is really struggling setting the edge.
--I do not believe we are using Kruger properly this year. He is not a coverage LBer.
--People don't like Robertson, but I think he is way more fundamentally sound than Kirksey. The latter can flash at times, but he runs himself out of position too often.
--Dansby is really struggling to get off blocks this year.
--I think we miss Kitchen and Winn.
--I have been able to read our coverages way too often pre-snap. That shouldn't happen by just seeing the D on TV. I used to be able to read the coverages at games, but on TV??? Nah. However, the alignment and depth of the safeties and corners is pretty much a dead giveaway on certain plays.
--I'm sorry, but Joe Haden really bugs me. Great talent. Says the right things. Has some outstanding games. However, he sucks in the clutch. Sitting out w/a finger. Not a guy who hates to lose. He would have "bought in" had he went to Baltimore w/Lewis and Reed, but here....he was "the man" and he is not the kind of leader we need.
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I thought Haden had bad ribs and that's why he sat out? Was I dreaming? I know vers won't reply, as he has me on ignore.  (guess he can't handle what he dishes) But, can anyone else verify that it was ribs and not just a finger problem?
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For a week it was ribs. Then the "finger issue" yesterday.
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I thought Haden had bad ribs and that's why he sat out? Was I dreaming? I know vers won't reply, as he has me on ignore. (guess he can't handle what he dishes) But, can anyone else verify that it was ribs and not just a finger problem? On when DB Joe Haden was ruled out: “The morning of the game.” On if Haden tested the injury pregame to potentially play: “He did. He went out with (assistant secondary coach/corners) Aaron Glenn. They went ahead and covered [his finger] up. He went out and worked out before the deadline to turn in the inactives to see if he could go or he couldn’t.” On who decided whether or not Haden could play: “We left it up to Joe. We left it up to Joe, and he made the decision that he didn’t want to go. http://www.ohio.com/blogs/cleveland-brow...-today-1.629817
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Of all the points I made---and I thought there were some really good ones----this is what arch brings up? And he wonders why I ignore him. LOL
I read today that the ribs were a problem, but his finger was the real issue regarding his availability for yesterday's game.
Oh well.........guess where this thread is now headed? Sorry LBer....it wasn't intentional. I really did try to give several points as to the issues w/the defense. arch just had to be arch.
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I asked a question. It was answered. And yes, I threw a jab in there about you. Dang, I must REALLY be in your head.
And also, I'll throw this in here: Most days I can't wait to log on to see who else you're going to go off on. It's like movie night, every night - except it's in word form. Love ya vers. You make my evenings entertaining.
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NFL looking into Joe Haden deactivation When a player is listed on the injury report as “probable,” it doesn’t mean he’s probably going to play. It means he’s virtually certain to be available for normal duty. So when the Browns listed cornerback Joe Haden as probable with rib and finger injuries and Haden didn’t play at San Diego, it raised eyebrows. It also has triggered scrutiny from the league office. “As is customary in these instances, we have checked in with the club on this to provide an explanation,” a league spokesman told PFT. “We are looking into it.” The Browns have 48 hours to provide an official explanation to the league office. On Monday, coach Mike Pettine said, “We left it up to Joe and he made the decision that he didn’t want to go.” While plausible, it’s a conversation that initially should have been had on Friday, before the Browns listed Haden as being virtually certain to play. If there was any doubt about his availability or any inclination to give him the power to pull the plug on playing, he should have been listed as questionable. While there’s no reason to doubt Pettine’s explanation, any team could provide that same excuse, turning the injury-reporting mechanism on its head with teams listing players as probable and players deciding on their own to not go. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/10/05/nfl-looking-into-joe-haden-deactivation/
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Wow! You should probably move this to the Hayden thread, though. Don't wanna ruin LBers thread.
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I think O'neil is the problem. So many times, when they were walking around trying to confuse Rivers the ball was snapped, it seemed to me that guys were standing up on the Dline at the snap, or not yet set.
This guy is overthinking defense. I agree with Vers, they should have kept both Winn and Kitchen. These guys were stout, and had high motors. It is like they thought putting Shelton in the middle was all they needed.
Kruger in coverage is foolish. Put him on the weak side and turn him loose. I gave mingo a chance, but he has no impact. Armonty needs to be with his hand down attacking the edge.
This staff always claim to playing to the players strengths, but it appears to me that is the opposite of what we are seeing.
Williams comments speak volumes to me. He sees it, and I think he is right. The players need to be more vocal, not to O'neil, but to Pettine.
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Wow! You should probably move this to the Hayden thread, though. Don't wanna ruin LBers thread. Hayden is on the Raiders.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Dansby doubtful or "DNP" for much of the week?
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This is a good post w/many good points.
You know, I have been in Mingo's corner from day 1, but man, he just doesn't do much. I don't think he is as bad as some other guys, like Gilbert and Orchard, but he is not a difference maker. It's getting harder to defend him.
I think another thing that might be hurting us is that we all know that you gotta sub a lot on the d-line. Were guys like Kitchen and Winn world beaters? Nope. But, you can get your defensive linemen more reps than any other unit. I still don't see why we kept 4 TEs and FB who is really a TE. I get the 2 TE set thing, but man, you really don't have to rotate TEs like you do defensive linemen.
I hate ripping on coaches, but I agree w/you on O'Neil. He seems to be putting us into some unfavorable positions.
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I don't know the answer to that question. Was it rhetorical or were you really asking?
If it was the latter, does that explain the other 3 weeks of the year? This isn't the Game Day forum.
If it wasn't rhetorical, I guess we could google it.
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OK, I went and looked, and starting with the Titans game, Dansby has been listed with an ankle injury. He was limited in practice leading up to the Chargers game, and it looks like he missed several days prior to the Titans game.
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That could explain why he hasn't been getting off blocks as well. We certainly need him to be more productive. Let's hope he gets healthy.
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Browns' Pettine: 'We're not going to hit the panic button' BEREA, Ohio (AP) — Browns general manager Ray Farmer was back in his office Monday after serving a four-game NFL suspension. "Not to speak for him, but I know he's thrilled to be back," coach Mike Pettine said. Thrilled might be presumptuous. Farmer, who was penalized for sending text messages to the sideline last season, has a pile of work to catch up on. While he was away, the Browns (1-3) staggered through what's supposed to be the easier portion of their schedule, underwent two quarterback changes, had one of their big free-agent signings fail to catch a pass in four games and watched their defense, which was supposed to be the team's strength, give up too many yards and too many big plays. But a day after a gut-wrenching 30-27 loss to the San Diego Chargers, Pettine said he has no plans to overhaul a defense ripped by the Chargers for 438 yards, just a week after Oakland rolled up 468. "One thing we're not going to do is anything wholesale and hit the panic button," Pettine said. "We know we're close, but there are things we have to do better." Last week, Pettine bemoaned missed tackles against the Raiders. That wasn't as much of an issue against the Chargers, who drove 57 yards in the final two minutes to set up rookie Josh Lambo's 34-yard field goal as time expired. Lambo got a second chance to make his kick after he missed an attempt but Browns cornerback Tramon Williams was called for offside. The Browns' defense — the league's most expensive unit — is making mistakes, costly ones, and Pettine said they've got to stop. "Football is a game of a million little things," he said at his Monday news conference. "Right now, defensively, we're not doing enough of those little things right, and we have to get them crossed off the list and make sure that they don't come back to the list. We have to be that team that if a mistake is made, we learn from it, we lock it away and we don't make it again." Pettine said he has no plans to spend more time with the defense and expressed confidence in second-year coordinator Jim O'Neil, whose defense was ranked last in the league against the run in 2014 and is at No. 32 again. "We know what we need to do and we need to do it better," Pettine said. "I have a lot of faith in Jim O'Neil and the rest of that staff. We've showed that we're very capable of playing well. We just need to do it on a more consistent basis." Following Sunday's loss, Williams and linebacker Paul Kruger said the Browns' defense was so predictable that Chargers quarterback Philip Rivers knew what was coming. When the Browns blitzed, Rivers simply threw to the vacated area for big gains. Pettine attributed some of his players' comments to "competitiveness." "It is hard to disguise everything," he said. "I don't put too much stock into it. I think a player hears the quarterback call something out one time and it becomes 'They know what we are doing.' As a staff, we don't get too wrapped up into that." As for fixing Cleveland's defense, Williams said players and coaches have to figure out what's working and what isn't. They can't let egos get in the way and he's confident O'Neil can get the job done. "He's one of the guys open to anything," said Williams, who spent nine seasons with Green Bay before signing with the Browns. "I can go up to Jim and talk to him about anything and vice versa, we do the same. We're in this together. It's no finger-pointing. At the end of the day, as long as we stick together, we'll pull it together." Cleveland's defense was not at full strength Sunday as Pro Bowl cornerback Joe Haden sat out with a broken finger sustained against Oakland. Haden's loss was a damaging blow to an underperforming secondary already missing starting nickel back K'Waun Williams. Pettine said Haden, who practiced all week, was scratched before kickoff. "We left it up to Joe," Pettine said, "and he made the decision that he didn't want to go." NOTES: Pettine did not have an update on DB Tashaun Gipson's injured ankle. ... WR Brian Hartline has a bruised thigh and could be limited "early in the week." ... WR Dwayne Bowe, who has yet to catch a pass after signing a two-year, $12.5 million contract, made a brief appearance in the locker room but left quickly before talking to reporters. http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl...fense/73412488/
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Last week, Pettine bemoaned missed tackles against the Raiders. That wasn't as much of an issue against the Chargers, who drove 57 yards in the final two minutes to set up rookie Josh Lambo's 34-yard field goal as time expired. I find it alarming and revealing that this team has sucked so bad at the end of halves in regards to stopping their opponents. The Browns' defense — the league's most expensive unit — is making mistakes, costly ones, and Pettine said they've got to stop. The league's most expensive unit is last in the league. Great value, guys.
"It is hard to disguise everything," he said. "I don't put too much stock into it. I think a player hears the quarterback call something out one time and it becomes 'They know what we are doing.' As a staff, we don't get too wrapped up into that."
Maybe you should. Pettine said he has no plans to spend more time with the defense So, our defensive coach would rather coach offense than defense even though we are last in the league. I suppose that is his idea of "coaching like a Brown."
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The whole interview is laughable, Pettin sounds like a broken record anymore. "We have to be more consistent", "if we make a mistake we have to learn from it and not make it again", and this is my favorite "we know what we need to do and we need to do it better". That's genious! 
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Pettine said Haden, who practiced all week, was scratched before kickoff.
"We left it up to Joe," Pettine said, "and he made the decision that he didn't want to go." Is it just me ..... or does this sound like Pettine wasn't exactly thrilled with Haden deciding to sit out? "He made the decision that he didn't want to go" is a whole lot different than "He just wasn't able to go".
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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It's not just you. Now, combine that quote w/this from play's article that is on the Haden thread: It wasn't the first time there was an apparent disconnect between Haden and the coaching staff over an injury this season. During last week's 27-20 loss to the Raiders, Haden suffered the rib injury on the first play of the game when he took rookie receiver Amari Cooper's helmet to his ribs. Haden stayed in the game, but gave up four straight passes to Cooper before the Browns went to more of a zone defense.
After the game, Pettine cut Haden no slack.
"We have our best corner on their best receiver, and they made plays,'' said Pettine. "We had to do some juggling, and I will be curious to see on the tape how it played out. ....There were times where they were going good against good and they were making plays, especially early."
The next day, Pettine said he made those remarks before he knew that Haden hurt the ribs on the opening play. Instead, he thought he first hurt them after making the tackle on a 54-yard run in the third quarter. Haden went to the locker room after that, but returned.
X-rays on the ribs were negative, but it was diagnosed the following day as a rib contusion, a source said.
On Thursday, defensive coordinator Jim O'Neil also said he didn't know Haden had hurt the ribs on the first play.
It's always something.....
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I think Pettine was forced to say that considering the league is looking into the matter.
Haden's just not a big enough competitor for my tastes.
I can't recall one time where he's made a game changing play when it mattered most. Now he's sitting out because he wants to.
What a competitor. Wouldn't bother me if they traded him tomorrow.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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It's like a reading a mystery novel. Did Joe sit out this week's games because of this comment made last week:
"We have our best corner on their best receiver, and they made plays,'' said Pettine. "We had to do some juggling, and I will be curious to see on the tape how it played out. ....There were times where they were going good against good and they were making plays, especially early."
There's more drama w/this team than victories.
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Haden's just not a big enough competitor for my tastes.
I can't recall one time where he's made a game changing play when it mattered most. Now he's sitting out because he wants to.
What a competitor. Wouldn't bother me if they traded him tomorrow. This is a dumb thing to say. Haden has made plenty of plays in his career that have positively affected the game in the Browns favor. Any time he makes a pass breakup or an interception is when it mattered most. We need more quality players, not less. Haden, though overrated, is still among the top players at his position. Trading him would be one of the worst moves this team could make.
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