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I'm a card carrying member of the NRA. I use their membership to gain entry into the Worlds largest gun show every year. If you're in Tulsa on the 14th and 15th of November, stop on in at the Wanemakers Tulsa Arms Show. If you want to see all the nice toys they have it's only a $10 gate fee. Almost 4500 tables of toys. Now you can get most anything but just seeing what a lever gun from the 1800's selling for $32,000 looks like is impressive. Not that I'd ever buy one of those.

http://www.tulsaarmsshow.com/home.html

Sounds dangerous with all those guns. How many people die there every year?

You would find that I am very responsible with my rights. One of the first things I did with my gun was to allow my kids to fire it under supervision, so they knew it's not a toy. I have always told them that a gun is never to be pointed at someone unless your intent is to kill them. They are well adjusted children.

It's honestly worth the membership price (~30) a year

The fact is, people really can't discuss the guns they own on a message board. It's just not safe to do so. I would never mention how many or how few firearms I own on a message board. I wouldn't discuss training my children about gun safety. I'm sure there are probably some who would be considered a gun hoarder according to the perception of some. Funny how the term collector is now being phrased as hoarder isn't it?

I mean, someone who disagrees with your political views may start to think you're a lunatic and try to become a whistler blower. Even though you've done nothing illegal and have broken no laws.

It seems I heard something about that......

Yes, that is probably true, but silence will achieve nothing, as history has taught us all.

I don't recall ever hearing of anyone dying. And that's taking into account that you can bring your own weapons to sell there too if you want. There are lots of people carrying around weapons with signs on them for sale.

Isn't it funny though, all that ammo, all those weapons and no one has been brave enough to pull their own weapon and start shooting.

I wonder why?

I can clear that up. Several years ago, we had a guy walk into a gun shop in my area and attempt to rob it. He was shot 8 times from 4 different directions.

Guns are dangerous and scary...that place has to be super hazardous!!!

Yup. And how many millions of gun owners are there?

I don't doubt it. I was talking about doing something other than paying the NRA, but I know that wouldn't be a vary popular option to gun owners.

I personally think the NRA has way more influence than needed. The gun issue is often very important in elections and rarely does anyone win unless they support the NRA.

I think the NRA has saved the 2nd for many years. There are constant challenges against the 2nd. If not for them, we'd all have been disarmed a long time ago.

I wouldn't be opposed to some of our tax dollars going to the NRA in support of all they do. Perhaps an equal amount as goes to Planned Parenthood to kill and harvest us all.

Certainly that kind of situation could happen. There are plenty enough people who want to take away guns, and there are enough who would be willing to use force to do it.

But, and my point really depends on where you live... you wouldn't see this kind of thing happening wholesale. There aren't enough military and cops who would violate their oaths to do it.

If you lived in a place like NJ, yeah, you're screwed. They'll charge you with a felony for some piddly crap that would get you hit with a misdemeanor or infraction.. or even a warning here.

J/C I think some of you should focus more on responsible gun handling then the govt taking away your guns. But whatever.

Really? Every gun owner on here is the model of responsible gun ownership!

I don't think gun control is even in the same ballpark as taking away guns.

Taking away guns is a political myth used to create a voting base through fear. Gun rights have expanded because under the political control of the NRA and the only thing lost is a city or region's ability to enact any regulation when they have to campaign against the funds of that lobby.

There's nearly no candidate elected that doesn't speak out for gun rights because if said anything else the NRA would crush their campaign. Most politicians state their support of the NRA so they won't have to deal with the issue.

I don't see how eliminating any political position on gun control by spending big bucks is very democratic. The NRA has way more power than any union ever had.

IMO unions helped to create the American standard of living, whereas the NRA lobby works to stifle democracy.

You mean like the 'gun control' law in DC that outlawed possession of a handgun? That was ruled unconstitutional in 2008. These 'gun control' laws are a ban on guns, by forcing people to register/license their guns and pay a fee. I'm fairly sure no one would agree with having to pay a fee for a voter ID, so why are they OK with a gun fee? Gun rights have expanded because the NRA fights unconstitutional gun laws.

The unions still hold a lot of power. When they control government sector unions, force employees to give dues, then use those dues to fund democrats, it's little more than a DNC Ponzi scheme.

Yes, the unions did good things in the past, but they have since become more concerned about the unions than the people. How did the unions help the people of Detroit by running the auto business out? The NRA secures the rights that progressives keep trying to take from us. You forget that the NRA is mostly funded by their members, the people that want their guns.

You're right Perfect!

Dang, if only there were a national assocation that promoted and funded gun safety programs....

*just messin with ya!*

So when they're are good guys with a gun, and the shootings still happen, whats the next excuse to roll out?

Talking about gun control , I have a control question? I just bought a Ruger Super Redhawk .44 magnum with a 2x Burris scope. My pattern is rice cake size at 50 yards but dinner plate size at 100 yards. What can I do to control the scope yips?

Get a scope/red dot that has mil dots to use for various distances. Or learn to aim a little higher/lower depending on your distance.

Or buy one of those self adjusting scopes. It calculates and factors in alot of stuff like distance, weather and etc, and the red dot supposedly turns green when it's dialed in and ready to discharge.

First, you need to pretend that dinner plate is Black Bart and then avoid shooting your eye out.

Mill, assuming you're shooting off hand, if you're hitting dinner plate size at 100 yards with a revolver, I'd leave it alone. That's a center mass hit every time. You're doing just fine.

There's always room for improvement, I'm sure.

Another shooting this morning in Arizona at a community college.

Look how relaxed gun laws prevented that tragedy. Oh wait...AZ has some of the most liberal laws on gun. I don't mean liberal as in the political party sense. Y'all have no idea how easy it is to get a gun there.

Should I say "I told you so?"

LOL Yup....

Maybe we should turn this into a religion issue now.

If you have broken no laws and are a responsible gun owner that isn't showing lunatic behavior you have nothing to worry about from any whistle blower. You should worry about your paranoia or tell the police what you are legally and responsibly storing or collecting at your home ahead of time. That way they can laugh at the whistle blower and say we know.

"As long as you're not acting like a lunatic."

Literally all of us post on a forum that's dedicated to a football team that hasn't had a winning season since 2008. That's awfully strange.

What makes a lunatic is in the eyes of the beholder. Moral relativism and what not.

Can't believe we have people in 2015 still saying "Trust the police." lol Especially from someone who probably votes Democrat. The richness of it all.

the cops have given me zero reason to trust them. at all.

they don't stop any crimes. they only react. they could arrest the bank robber, but the bank already got robbed and somebody already got shot.

Well, to be fair to them, they can only react. Preventing crime is much harder and much more inaccurate.

That said, it is weird that we see Democrats finally realizing that a group of people have been unjustly attacked by a government organization across the nation, and they still think we should trust them. As far as I'm concerned, the entire federal government, who hasn't seen a country that it hasn't tried to coup, who created an establishment that directly profits on its marginalized citizens, should even be considered to be either a) the good guys or b) trusted. It's truly surprising to me when educated people can say such things. Knowing full and well that the government has been completely unjust and still want to put blind trust into it.

so you're saying the rest of the liberals have just been realizing what hispanics and blacks have been saying for years?

whoa.

Well, there is also no way of tracking crimes a cop prevents, because ... well .... he prevented them.

Maybe a guy is considering robbing a store, sees a cop walk by on foot patrol, and changes his mind. Maybe the idea of robbing the store then goes completely out of his mind, because he realizes that he could easily be caught.

There could be other similar instances that either put off, or prevent a crime, as a person realizes that they either will not be able to get away wit it at that time, or that they should not do it at all.

Yeah, I meant more:



Than things actual cops do.

or they could be parked in the back of wal mart texting their girl on FB.

and caught?

have you seen the size of half the police force?

their a bunch of fat people. how on earth are they even still employed? who can they possibly catch?

they sound like they have trouble walking up a flight of steps.

And this is the precise problem. It was suggested that I should inform law enforcement of all of my weapons in the event someone may call them because "they think" I'm a lunatic.

The suggestion is, that if I am in no way breaking the law, it is somehow my duty to prevent any problems by circumventing someone for reporting no commitment of a crime.

You see, that's what our society is turning into.

You see, unless some "lunatic" is out in his yard displaying his weapons all the time, nobody has any way of knowing what, or how many guns he has in the first place.

So all this poster is doing, is looking for some shock value that he's going to report law abiding citizens for exercising their rights under the law. Preposterous.

And another Campus Shooting at Texas Southern University today.....