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I didn't see anything about you not having water.


Civilization has always taken root and created civilizations around a water source, even neanderthals. What's that say about Californians. smile


People want to live where it's never cold, it turns out. Soon we will build a giant hose and put into one of your Great Lakes.


FYI - No Great Lakes in Florida.


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Desalination plants aren't that effective. It's much easier to just filter out sewage water, but I guess that's disgusting to people? Any way, it would solve the water crisis over there quickly.


Israel has used desalination plants quite effectively.


They're still pretty expensive and possibly bad for the environment. They're interesting, but more research is needed. Toilet to tap is much more safe.


No, it's that the only cost effective way is to use nuclear power to boil the salt out of the water. We tried to get a desalinization plant in Virginia Beach, VA at one time, and the idiot environmentalists fought it, as they didn't want a nuke plant on the coast. Oddly enough, we have about 20 nuke plants in harbor in Norfolk, and they move.


Ok that's great, but we're not talking about water quality for the use of nuclear power. We're talking about drinking water. Unless you think drinking water should be held to the same regulation of water used in nuclear fission then you have no point.

Unless you're planning on drinking water from a nuclear power plant, then desalination plants are still not nearly as efficient as toilet to tap mechanisms.

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Ok that's great, but we're not talking about water quality for the use of nuclear power. We're talking about drinking water. Unless you think drinking water should be held to the same regulation of water used in nuclear fission then you have no point.

Unless you're planning on drinking water from a nuclear power plant, then desalination plants are still not nearly as efficient as toilet to tap mechanisms.


You don't run the water through the reactor. Geez. You use the electricity from the reactor for the desalinization itself.


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Originally Posted By: ErikInHell
Originally Posted By: CHSDawg
Originally Posted By: cfrs15
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Desalination plants aren't that effective. It's much easier to just filter out sewage water, but I guess that's disgusting to people? Any way, it would solve the water crisis over there quickly.


Israel has used desalination plants quite effectively.


They're still pretty expensive and possibly bad for the environment. They're interesting, but more research is needed. Toilet to tap is much more safe.


No, it's that the only cost effective way is to use nuclear power to boil the salt out of the water. We tried to get a desalinization plant in Virginia Beach, VA at one time, and the idiot environmentalists fought it, as they didn't want a nuke plant on the coast. Oddly enough, we have about 20 nuke plants in harbor in Norfolk, and they move.


So how do cruise lines desalinate ocean water? They aren't nuclear. Yet a ship can produce enough water for 4000-6000 people to use.

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Originally Posted By: ErikInHell
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Ok that's great, but we're not talking about water quality for the use of nuclear power. We're talking about drinking water. Unless you think drinking water should be held to the same regulation of water used in nuclear fission then you have no point.

Unless you're planning on drinking water from a nuclear power plant, then desalination plants are still not nearly as efficient as toilet to tap mechanisms.


You don't run the water through the reactor. Geez. You use the electricity from the reactor for the desalinization itself.


Yeah, the heat from the PP desalinizes the water. Not the electricity if we're going to nitpick.

Must I remind you that the key is efficiency? It's just not as efficient as toilet to tap plants. We're all very aware that we can desalinate water. That's not really the issue. the issue is A) It's expensive
B) It requires a lot of energy
C) It requires a lot of maintenance
D) It might harm wild life.
E) Doesn't produce that much water, especially not the amount that is needed to really dig into California's need for water.

Again, we know it works. It's a tried and trued method delivered to us with the gift of Democracy from the Ancient Greeks. It's still wildly inefficient though.

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The Real problem isn't that there ain't enough water, the problem is the United States government ( in all it's many forms, federal, state, local, school, business, and organizations,) is not satisfied with the myriad of other ways it can interrupt your daily life with bull, hoops to jump through,

they also want you to not be able to get water.

The toughest freaking state in the union, is Wyoming, as there's nobody there, but tell me the last little kitty to come from there. I think of the almost no one who I've ever seen from Wyoming, they were the toughest, tough as nails, hard nosed person.

And for areas with no water. They say every great city was formed on a river, but Los Vegas says, not them theirs' is a river of cash.

I'd think maybe Alabama, Maybe Texas, Maybe Missouri, (Kentucky), but then I think, those people from Wyoming, Man! there's just something about them.

And alls I'm saying is I think, that just maybe, sure there's a lot of tough Texans, and Alaskans, but you'd be able to find one punk somewhere, but just maybe, the unpopulated, (least populated, or least per square mile), Wyoming, just might not have even 1 (I'll call them punks) in the whole state.
That maybe 99.99999 percent of the people in Wyoming just might all be just mean, tough, bad words,.

While I'm at it. Indianna, seems a little laid back to me. Anyone else get that vibe from Indianna? Hmm, maybe it's just a different kind of way to deal with things they have.


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Hands down it's OHIO

We root for the Browns, Indians, and Cavs. Look how long we have suffered rooting for all three of those teams. On top of that we freeze to death in the winter, and die of heat strokes in the summer. Throw in some blizzards, floods, pollution, lack of jobs, and potholes big enough for a blue whale to swim in and we have to be tough to survive laugh


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Originally Posted By: cfrs15
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Desalination plants aren't that effective. It's much easier to just filter out sewage water, but I guess that's disgusting to people? Any way, it would solve the water crisis over there quickly.


Israel has used desalination plants quite effectively.


No doubt they are effective just as distilling water is effective. The draw back is it is very expensive to do so. Enery costs are much higher, but if that is what needs to be done, then do it.


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Originally Posted By: ErikInHell
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Ok that's great, but we're not talking about water quality for the use of nuclear power. We're talking about drinking water. Unless you think drinking water should be held to the same regulation of water used in nuclear fission then you have no point.

Unless you're planning on drinking water from a nuclear power plant, then desalination plants are still not nearly as efficient as toilet to tap mechanisms.


You don't run the water through the reactor. Geez. You use the electricity from the reactor for the desalinization itself.


The waste heat is what is mostly used. They boil the water in a vacume situation, thus lowering the boiling point. Rather than 212 at atmosphieric pressure, they might be able to boil water at 140. Easy enough to do on a sub or ship, harder to do on large scale.


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