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What makes a lunatic is in the eyes of the beholder. Moral relativism and what not.


And this is the precise problem. It was suggested that I should inform law enforcement of all of my weapons in the event someone may call them because "they think" I'm a lunatic.

The suggestion is, that if I am in no way breaking the law, it is somehow my duty to prevent any problems by circumventing someone for reporting no commitment of a crime.

You see, that's what our society is turning into.

You see, unless some "lunatic" is out in his yard displaying his weapons all the time, nobody has any way of knowing what, or how many guns he has in the first place.

So all this poster is doing, is looking for some shock value that he's going to report law abiding citizens for exercising their rights under the law. Preposterous.


Shock value or not, I'm saying if I see something suspicious and way out of wack with anyone, neighbor, friend, relative or acquaintance with their use of firearms, I'm not going to stay silent. So get over it.


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All you need to do is explain how stricter gun control laws would have stopped it.


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Originally Posted By: PerfectSpiral

Shock value or not, I'm saying if I see something suspicious and way out of wack with anyone, neighbor, friend, relative or acquaintance with their use of firearms, I'm not going to stay silent. So get over it.


Nothing wrong with you being vigilant, but try to keep it to yourself. It's best that way. I go through the same struggles. Whenever I see a white kid with greasy hair and boot cut jeans, I want to alert the police about a possible school shooter, but I keep it to myself. Just because I deem things as "suspicious" doesn't make it so in re.

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All you need to do is explain how stricter gun control laws would have stopped it.


Nothing will stop it, we all know that. Doesn't mean we can't try. But of course some think that means the govt is coming take your guns. Sad.


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All you need to do is explain how stricter gun control laws would have stopped it.


Nothing will stop it, we all know that. Doesn't mean we can't try. But of course some think that means the govt is coming take your guns. Sad.


That's because most talk of trying involves people wanting to take away the guns.... and most any sane/rational person realizes that this won't accomplish anything.


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Shock value or not, I'm saying if I see something suspicious and way out of wack with anyone, neighbor, friend, relative or acquaintance with their use of firearms, I'm not going to stay silent. So get over it.


Can you explain your definition of what "suspicious or way out of wack" really means?


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Well what is your definition of "trying" and how do you actually think it will help?

I mean, remember, there are already approximately 300,000,000 guns out there already. So what measures do you propose and exactly how do you think those measures will help?


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Shock value or not, I'm saying if I see something suspicious and way out of wack with anyone, neighbor, friend, relative or acquaintance with their use of firearms, I'm not going to stay silent. So get over it.


Nothing wrong with you being vigilant, but try to keep it to yourself. It's best that way. I go through the same struggles. Whenever I see a white kid with greasy hair and boot cut jeans, I want to alert the police about a possible school shooter, but I keep it to myself. Just because I deem things as "suspicious" doesn't make it so in re.


Why should I keep it to myself? What are you suggesting?


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Well what is your definition of "trying" and how do you actually think it will help?

I mean, remember, there are already approximately 300,000,000 guns out there already. So what measures do you propose and exactly how do you think those measures will help?


I've already told you what I'm going to try to do.


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Shock value or not, I'm saying if I see something suspicious and way out of wack with anyone, neighbor, friend, relative or acquaintance with their use of firearms, I'm not going to stay silent. So get over it.


Nothing wrong with you being vigilant, but try to keep it to yourself. It's best that way. I go through the same struggles. Whenever I see a white kid with greasy hair and boot cut jeans, I want to alert the police about a possible school shooter, but I keep it to myself. Just because I deem things as "suspicious" doesn't make it so in re.


Why should I keep it to myself? What are you suggesting?


Your thoughts. Seriously. I'm suggesting you're too paranoid to be a functioning person in a normal work place, but could hide it by not talking about it smile

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More school shootings in the News I see.

I would have armed guards at all schools by Tuesday so the kids have a fighting chance to survive but y'all just keep on changing the the world one mentally ill person at a time, one confiscated gun at a time. we will die waiting.

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
More school shootings in the News I see.

I would have armed guards at all schools by Tuesday so the kids have a fighting chance to survive but y'all just keep on changing the the world one mentally ill person at a time, one confiscated gun at a time. we will die waiting.


Like that time the armed guard who was on duty at Columbine during the attack saved all the students.


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Who is going to pay for that?

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More school shootings in the News I see.

I would have armed guards at all schools by Tuesday so the kids have a fighting chance to survive but y'all just keep on changing the the world one mentally ill person at a time, one confiscated gun at a time. we will die waiting.


Like that time the armed guard who was on duty at Columbine during the attack saved all the students.


FACT CHECK: Columbine High's armed guard saved student lives

The "National School Safety Shield" program proposed by the National Rifle Association has been criticized by some who claim that an armed guard in a school is ineffective. They cite, as proof, the Columbine High School shooting of 1999, during which an armed guard was on campus. Their argument is that the armed guard failed to make a difference, as 12 students and one teacher were killed.

However, a timeline of the events assembled by the Jefferson County Sheriff's Department and published by CNN proves just the opposite. The armed guard, Jefferson County Sheriff's Deputy Neil Gardner, was able to engage the killers, keeping them from shooting more victims, and he personally saved dozens of students.

Before looking at the facts of the case, first consider the line of reasoning used in the argument. Critics use a specific example (the Columbine tragedy) to make a general conclusion (armed school guards don't help). It's called inductive reasoning, and it is not a valid line of reasoning, because generalizations based on specific examples are easily disproved. For example, inductive reasoning would argue that because life-long smoker George Burns died of a heart attack at the age of 100 (the specific example), smoking is not hazardous to your health (the general conclusion).
http://www.examiner.com/article/fact-check-columbine-high-s-armed-guard-saved-student-lives

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Who is going to pay for that?


The Government of course. Fed, State, Local or a combination of them.

Paaaleeez don't say we can't afford it.

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Who is going to pay for that?


The Government of course. Fed, State, Local or a combination of them.

Paaaleeez don't say we can't afford it.


It's literally such a big waste of money and would be super distracting to students. The money would be better spent just hiring another teacher in every school.

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Who is going to pay for that?


The Government of course. Fed, State, Local or a combination of them.

Paaaleeez don't say we can't afford it.


It's literally such a big waste of money and would be super distracting to students. The money would be better spent just hiring another teacher in every school.


30 Stupid Things The Government Is Spending Money On...

-The U.S. government is spending $750,000 on a new soccer field for detainees held at Guantanamo Bay.

-The Obama administration plans to spend between 16 and 20 million dollars helping students from Indonesia get master’s degrees.

-If you can believe it, the U.S. government has spent $175,587 “to determine if cocaine makes Japanese quail engage in sexually risky behavior”.

-Fannie Mae is about to ask the federal government for another $4.6 billion bailout, and it will almost certainly get it.
http://mrconservative.com/2012/03/2471-30-government-waste-projects/

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-The Obama administration plans to spend between 16 and 20 million dollars helping students from Indonesia get master’s degrees.

In what world is trying to let kids attain higher learning is better than hiring a gunman in every school?

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All you need to do is explain how stricter gun control laws would have stopped it.
On the other hand; why deny the relationship between the number of guns to the number of gun deaths.

Are those numbers irrelevant?

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dont forget the waste that goes toward defense spending.


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All you need to do is explain how stricter gun control laws would have stopped it.
On the other hand; why deny the relationship between the number of guns to the number of gun deaths.

Are those numbers irrelevant?




I don't know exactly when this video was made, but I found it interesting. Perhaps you will also.

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All you need to do is explain how stricter gun control laws would have stopped it.
On the other hand; why deny the relationship between the number of guns to the number of gun deaths.

Are those numbers irrelevant?


Harvard University Study Reveals Astonishing Link Between Firearms, Crime and Gun Control

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According to a study in the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy, which cites the Centers for Disease Control, the U.S. National Academy of Sciences and the United Nations International Study on Firearms Regulation, the more guns a nation has, the less criminal activity.
In other words, more firearms, less crime, concludes the virtually unpublicized research report by attorney Don B. Kates and Dr. Gary Mauser. But the key is firearms in the hands of private citizens.


I do recommend reading the article as it does a nice job of summarizing the issue.
For those that want to skip to the study - conducted by that "bastion of extreme, Ivy League liberalism" - it is right here.


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So, are you saying that a bad guy with a gun is actually afraid of a good guy with a gun, and won't go on a rampage when he knows possible victims might be armed?


That kinda fits with all these "mass" shootings occurring in places where the bad guy is confident no one else will be armed, doesn't it?

It also kinda coincides with the bad guys in these mass shootings committing suicide when the cops show up - you know, cops that have guns.

Weird. That's not what the media tells us.

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Who is going to pay for that?


The Government of course. Fed, State, Local or a combination of them.

Paaaleeez don't say we can't afford it.


I will recommend this again. Find volunteers. I would look for retired military that would like to volunteer to be armed guards in schools. Have them submit to backround checks, or psychological tests if needed. I'm sure many a grandma or grandpa would gladly give their lives to protect kids.


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-The Obama administration plans to spend between 16 and 20 million dollars helping students from Indonesia get master’s degrees.

In what world is trying to let kids attain higher learning is better than hiring a gunman in every school?


One can not expand one's brains with a Masters Degree when one's brain in lying on the floor. Priorities young man, priorities.

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Who is going to pay for that?


The Government of course. Fed, State, Local or a combination of them.

Paaaleeez don't say we can't afford it.



Federal State and local funding isn't the answer either. Federal funding has proven to fail. Besides it won't stop a lunatic. They don't care who's packing a gun. They'll still try an attack. They want to die.

"Some of the large federal K-12 programs outside of the Department of Education include Head Start in the Department of Health and Human Services, Indian education programs in the Department of the Interior, and various programs in the Department of Defense.25

Looking at overall K-12 spending by federal, state, and local governments, there have been large increases in recent decades. Total per-pupil expenditures have roughly doubled over the last three decades on a real, or constant-dollar, basis.26 Those increases in resources, however, have not lead to substantial improvements in educational outcomes."

http://www.downsizinggovernment.org/education/k-12-education-subsidies#sthash.zCcF0XSy.dpuf

If one can say more stringent gun control laws won't work. Then one can say armed guards won't work.


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I'm fairly sure an armed populace would, though.


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Federal State and local funding isn't the answer either. Federal funding has proven to fail. Besides it won't stop a lunatic. They don't care who's packing a gun. They'll still try an attack. They want to die.

If one can say more stringent gun control laws won't work. Then one can say armed guards won't work.


You are wrong. These lunatics you refer to are not puking, screaming, falling down nuts, they are thinking, planning nuts.

Just like back in the day when Banks spent the necessary bucks to place an armed guard in each bank because robbers were attracted to the ease of taking their money, schools are seen as an easy mark for creating mass casualties.

Schools need guards these days to persuade the lunatic to go elsewhere for mass casualties. School children will be safe as the lunatics move on to more productive hunting grounds where the armed citizen will cure their mental illness for them.

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Federal State and local funding isn't the answer either. Federal funding has proven to fail. Besides it won't stop a lunatic. They don't care who's packing a gun. They'll still try an attack. They want to die.

If one can say more stringent gun control laws won't work. Then one can say armed guards won't work.


You are wrong. These lunatics you refer to are not puking, screaming, falling down nuts, they are thinking, planning nuts.

Just like back in the day when Banks spent the necessary bucks to place an armed guard in each bank because robbers were attracted to the ease of taking their money, schools are seen as an easy mark for creating mass casualties.

Schools need guards these days to persuade the lunatic to go elsewhere for mass casualties. School children will be safe as the lunatics move on to more productive hunting grounds where the armed citizen will cure their mental illness for them.



Armed guards won't stop it.


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And you know this how?


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Armed guards won't stop it.

And you know this how?


Yes, because schools with armed teachers and guards haven't stopped it.


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Federal State and local funding isn't the answer either. Federal funding has proven to fail. Besides it won't stop a lunatic. They don't care who's packing a gun. They'll still try an attack. They want to die.

If one can say more stringent gun control laws won't work. Then one can say armed guards won't work.


You are wrong. These lunatics you refer to are not puking, screaming, falling down nuts, they are thinking, planning nuts.

Just like back in the day when Banks spent the necessary bucks to place an armed guard in each bank because robbers were attracted to the ease of taking their money, schools are seen as an easy mark for creating mass casualties.

Schools need guards these days to persuade the lunatic to go elsewhere for mass casualties. School children will be safe as the lunatics move on to more productive hunting grounds where the armed citizen will cure their mental illness for them.



Armed guards won't stop it.


STOP it? Perhaps not. But it can be ended quicker.

Most of these lunatics don't stop shooting til someone with a gun shows up. Like the police. And, they generally end it 1 of 2 ways: committing suicide, or being shot by the cops.

Where do these "mass" shootings take place? Churches, schools, colleges, or other places that are gun free zones. Ironic, eh?

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And you know this how?


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STOP it? Perhaps not. But it can be ended quicker.


And you know this how?


You guys must be using the same facts.


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STOP it? Perhaps not. But it can be ended quicker.


And you know this how?


Guess I don't. But, these shootings happen in places where the shooter is relatively certain no one on site is armed. And, when good guys show up with guns, they either kill themselves, or shoot it out with the people that have guns.

I think you can agree with that, can't you?

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STOP it? Perhaps not. But it can be ended quicker.


And you know this how?


You guys must be using the same facts.


Trying to make the point that if you think more stringent gun control laws won't help at all then I think having armed guards won't help at all. Just bringing to that level.


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Well it's obvious that a person that has no gun has the same odds of defending themselves against a criminal with a gun as a person with a gun does. That's just common sense, right?


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STOP it? Perhaps not. But it can be ended quicker.


And you know this how?


Guess I don't. But, these shootings happen in places where the shooter is relatively certain no one on site is armed. And, when good guys show up with guns, they either kill themselves, or shoot it out with the people that have guns.

I think you can agree with that, can't you?


No I don't agree. I would agree if you would agree that more stringent gun control laws could also help prevent some of these shootings. But the gun culture won't ever agree to that.


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Armed guards would obviously help. Explain your rationalization.

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No I don't agree. I would agree if you would agree that more stringent gun control laws could also help prevent some of these shootings. But the gun culture won't ever agree to that.


You are wrong. Criminals and Lunatics will always have guns, your more stringent gun control laws only effect we the Law Abiding.

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