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I have a good and bad thing. True story.
I was leaving home yesterday with my dog and nephew in my SUV.
I was happy.
The Browns won.

Then all the sudden my vehicle stalled in the middle of the road and my transmission locked up.
(I think it is the GM ignition switch)

Anywhoos.
My first action was cuss scream and yell. WHY ME?
No phone. So I put on my flashers and left the SUV there.
After having walked a mile home with a crying 7 year old and a not very good leash trained redbone hound ,to call a tow, it hit me.
"I know why this happened."
"The Browns won"
Balance achieved.

Was it really that much? Shocked to read this. Could have been over 500 then today.

I was at a conference and didn't get to see the game until the end when national coverage switched to it. Followed along on my phone, not a real productive conference. LOL

Great win, great game by McCown. I do find humor after game there are a bunch of "what does this mean for Manziel" articles... it means he doesn't have to play yet because McCown is playing well. But McCown is still 54 years old and is not the long term answer. If he can play at a high level this year, then we can let Manziel sit and learn.. that's all it means.

We we had traded 3 touchdowns for 3 FGs, I was thinking that's why we need a nice big target WR, a 6'5", 230 lb guy that can go get the ball in the endzone.. overall impressed with our WRs so far but there are some things that big guy could do that these little guys can't.

Defense still has holes but got to give them props for forcing the FG to get us into OT and then the 3 and out in OT. It's not just us but I'm seeing more and more teams getting burned for long yardage on short dump offs.

More and more I'm becoming of the opinion that a win is a win in the NFL, there are no style points like in college. A win is hard to come by and yesterday we did enough to win.

I am happy for the win, great to see the team overcome the deficit and pull out a win in their back yard. This team is starting to show some heart.

That being said, I had to turn it off during the 3rd quarter. The lack of any type of Defense was pushing my anger button, and Old Granddad wasn't helping in that cause. Went outside and split wood for a few hours.

I had vowed to never let this game cause dysfunction in my house after the Byner fumble against Denver caused just that. Yesterday I blew it. I let myself get mad, said stuff I shouldn't have and ended up having to apologize to the wife for being the backside of a donkey. It's hard being a Browns fan and not for the faint of heart. Going to stay away from the whiskey on Sunday's now.

That was a lot of work you put into that. I would never put that much work into trying to make you look bad because I'm lazy. LOL.

But I do need to confirm...you're confirming that Thomas's comment was directed at me? LOL. I think that's pretty cool I have that much sway. Like I said, I need to think about how to harness those powers.

As for the quotes I stand by every one of them. Why wouldn't I? I wrote them. I believe them. They are there for the whole board to see. Just because you grouped them into a single post doesn't mean anything.

And what's wrong with my opinion or smear campaign as you put it? You have your smear campaigns against a multitude of people and you stand by them. Are you the only one who can start a smear campaign? Are you the only one who is allowed this privilege? LOL. You're like a living, breathing caricature.

And you thought I was better than that? LOL. You and have been going at it for years now as soon as I caught on to your schtick. When I realized you were full of crap. Everyone knows you're full of crap. We can play this game all day DJ. You'll lose because you're not as smart as you think you are. You've played your ace in the hole of digging up old posts (don't you often threaten people with this? LOL) and you're out of lifelines. Maybe you can phone a friend.

yea.

Of course he did, you are one of the homers he directed it at, one of the masses of clowns in the stands screaming for Manziel going against the rest of the world, lol. You were willing to get rid of multiple All Pro's just to get your wish. It was all a conspiracy against him. I assume you still don't realize how delusional and stupid this position was and has proven to be. That's why I "refreshed your memory". You can thank me later, when the Manzeilitis has left you

Oh, and what it means? It means that you went as far as dissing everyone and anyone, including Joe Thomas, for not getting your boytoy on the field. That's a new low, even in board agenda history. I had my own "Weeden", lol, but I'm quite sure I never dug this deep to apologize for him.

This smear campaign is all yours, good luck with it and go root for Johnny

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/10/12/cle-bal-grades-browns-o-line-solid-in-win/

Cleveland Browns

– The left side of the Browns’ line was a key reason for Cleveland’s upset of the Ravens. LT Joe Thomas (+5.6) is making a strong case for being the best at his position after another dominant game. He allowed just a hit and a hurry in 64 dropbacks, and finished second on the team with a run blocking grade of +2.1. Thomas wasn’t even the Browns best lineman however, with LG Joel Bitonio (+6.1) taking that honour. Bitonio wasn’t as effective in pass protection, allowing a sack in his 64 drop backs (+1.9 grade), but finished with easily the team’s best run blocking grade (+3.4). Cleveland’s offensive line in general was a big reason for their success; the unit combined for a +6.3 grade in pass protection and a +6.7 grade in the run game.

– One free agent addition who is yet to make an impact is DE Randy Starks (-4.4). This was his worst game as a Brown. Starks was shut out as a pass rusher, despite playing 25 run snaps, resulting in a -0.9 grade in that facet of his play. It was in run defense where he struggled in particular however, recording a -2.6 grade, which put him in the bottom three on the team. In contrast to the impressive performance of the Browns’ offensive line, the defensive line struggled throughout the rotation. The six players to take snaps combined for a -5.7 grade in run defense and had just a solitary hit between them.

– The Browns’ defensive rookies flashed against the Ravens, but both NT Danny Shelton (-1.6) and OLB Nate Orchard (0.0) had ultimately only average grades. Shelton graded positively in run defense, making three defensive stops and generating some good penetration against C Jeremy Zuttah, but was shutout as a pass rusher and had a foolish unnecessary roughness penalty where he gave the Ravens a new set of downs on the goal line. As for Orchard, he generated an impressive two hits and batted a pass in just 10 rushes, but failed to make any stops in the run game, resulting in a -1.5 grade.

Top performers:

LG Joel Bitonio +6.1

LT Joe Thomas +5.6

RT Mitchell Schwartz +2.0

HB Isaiah Crowell +2.0

SS Donte Whitner +1.9

Whatever. Have fun blowing your horn.

Josh McCown threw for a team record, and the most yards by any QB in the league this week ..... 2 TD .... no INT ..... and he drove this team to the tie under difficult circumstances, and then to win the game ...and he isn't the top player on this team? Gary Barnidge has another huge game, and he isn't top 5?

Really?

He needs an icepack for his arm with the amount of beating off he's done.


We've scored more points than the Broncos, Cowboys, Eagles and Colts and have given up fewer points than the Chiefs, Texans, Ravens and the Lions. 5 weeks ago that would have seemed impressive.

Marc Sessler ‏@MarcSesslerNFL 2h2 hours ago
Marc Sessler Retweeted Joe Banner
Browns' Josh McCown: 457 yards, 70.6%, 8.96 avg, 2 TDs, 0 INTs, 80 QBR :::::: -2.3 PFF grade. Marc Sessler added,


Joe Banner @JoeBanner13
Josh Mccown gets a terrible grade from PFF after a fantastic performance. They need to reevaluate some parts of their grading system

j/c -

My take on the Joe Thomas quote was a shot at the media - not Johnny. I'd say that it potentially shows that the locker room is tighter than some want to imagine .... if there are tensions and animosity running through the locker room a guy like JT does not make a comment likt that. jmo.

It is somewhat consistent if you argue that the OL helped him keeping the ball so long and receivers gaining yac and they are the first to admit that they can't rate "intangibles". The same reason Rodgers got a negative grade after the 5/0 TD/INT performance, but yeah, the public pressure is on PFF now.

It's one of many tools, use it, but not as gospel

Legit point, but I doubt that's the case...

Even more evidence that PFF is embarrassingly broken.

JT had Mary Kay and Tony Rizzo in mind when he made that comment!

Except for Johnny Manziel, there isn't a single player on the Browns offense that wants Manziel to be the starter.

Confidential source so take it for what it's worth.
And no it wasn't from Coach B.

So glad Pettine didn't crumble under the pressure to start JM.

they beat a AFC North rival.thats 3 in 2 years. that is a measure of progress. On the road is impressive.
Flip called a great game. Spread the ball keep the Ravens guessing and frustrated.
The Ravens were down to no name DB's and they weren't used to playing so many snaps in nickel situations.
The Ravens beat themselves more than the Browns beat them.but a win is a win.
McCown played a really nice game.
Barnidge is super under rated. He gets open and his hands are automatic.
Red zone offense is a huge concern.
Run defense bigger concern.

I believe there are valid reasons why McCown is starting. If the production from the O doesn't speak strongly to that, I don't know what does. He is executing and we're putting points on the board. When you score 27 points one week and 30 in regulation the next week, both games should be wins.

Yet last week was a loss and this week it took overtime to pull out the victory. JFF isn't going to fix this unless he can play OLB or ILB. DE anyone?

This team rallied around McCown this week. It's obvious they see him as their leader. I don't want to upset Arch and others by pointing out how poorly our D is against stopping the run and that it's been so bad we lost by scoring 27 points last week and had to go into overtime after scoring 30 this week. So I won't mention that.



It's amazing to me that anyone would want to fix what's not broken. It's not only not broken, (yes, I understand that's a double negative), but it's flourishing.

This week I saw a team that could easily have lost focus like it sometimes does. I saw a team that got behind early and fought its way back. Isn't this something huge we all wanted to see? A team that found a way to win rather than a way to lose? Even the D tightened up at the end when the game was on the line. I haven't see that in a long time. To say the least, it was a pleasant change of pace.

So I'm going to enjoy it! We all see improvement that needs to be made in certain areas. I believe most everyone understands this. But this week I saw a team focused on doing what it took to come back and win. I saw a team that clawed its way back from what looked to be a loss early on.

I'll take that.

Yes, and even though I'm harshing on the D for sucking like a Dyson, when they needed stops at the end of the game, they got them. The three & out in OT was huge, as was the goal line stand to hold them to three. Also, the earlier "stop" that was overturned on the B.S. UR call on K'waun should have been a three & out, and that would have won the game in regulation.

Orchard played the most snaps out of any of our outside linebackers. Bryant was second, Solomon was third, and Kruger was fourth playing only 40% of the snaps. Mingo only played five snaps.

This is a huge change. Kruger usually plays the most snaps by far. He has been terrible. He whiffed horribly on a tackle yesterday in the backfield.

Our offensive line is just not built to have a power running scheme. We have more technicians and pass blockers than over powering road graders. We should be in the gun most of the time and use super quick, short passes as "an extension of our running game", basically what we did this week. Not sure how Pettine feels about that.

Soloman played?

Our linebackers have been terrible all season long. That's our biggest problem on the defense. The vast majority of the big plays we've given up can be directly attributed to our poor LB play, I hope the changes you listed portend an improvement in those positions because otherwise we're going to continue to get creamed on that side of the ball.

I loved the win, but I have a few solid points:

1. What is the "GREAT" Danny Sheldon doing? He is a number 1 draft pick!
The only thing I heard about him yesterday were 2, yes TWO personal fouls.
2. Where is Justin Gilbert? Is this other first round pick even still on the team?
3. Where is that number 1 pick from Florida State? I've already forgotten his name LOL. Is he still on the team?
4. I gladly eat crow about McCown. He has proved many of us wrong. He gives it all on the field.
Let JFF sit and learn.
5. How about that Barnidge? Wow, he has already made me forget about our former TE from USC. What was his name? Plus, Barnidge blocks and isn't on IR for half the year
6. The only way we will be able to win is to outscore the opposition. Where is this top 5 D you have all been crowing about??? They'd better get their #$#$ together. They simply CANNOT stop the run.
7. I like Pet. Even though his GM SUCKS!!!!!!!!!! I hope we keep Pet and his staff for the long haul. Flip Wilson is running a good offensive gameplan with the midget WR's he has.

It's obvious my posts trigger an emotional response with you. What I quoted above are the comments of a tightly wound person who has been set off by something in an emotional sense. It's like you're becoming unglued. Or unhinged. Or just falling apart.

All because of your personal hate for someone, the fact that someone doesn't agree with you, and because you had a bad draft grade on Manziel. That's some serious set of issues. Your dislike for Manziel is unhealthy. You might want to talk with someone about that. Hell man, if you're having personal issues, you can talk to me. I would never turn my back on someone in need of help, no matter how I thought of them.

As for my quotes, I stand by them. Again, why wouldn't I? I wrote them. I meant them at the time. Some were because I was pissed at the situation, but in general I meant them. I want to solve the long-term QB issue this team has. I think the best way to do that is to play the guy you pegged for your future. I think live game reps are invaluable. I think Pettine defers to his veteran players too much, including Thomas. I still don't know what the long-term plan for this team is. I think Pettine is in way over his head.

Here are some other things I think:

1. I have no idea if Manziel will be any good.
2. No matter how Manziel plays this year, I don't want to draft a QB next year.
3. I don't want Pettine fired.
4. I love the way Thomas has played for this team and represented this city.
5. Thomas has not impacted the win column.

And I'll tell you this. I enjoyed the hell out of that win yesterday. I said McCown played great. I said I would not say a word about Manziel over McCown at all this week. While I disagree with the long-term approach, McCown is playing lights out and we should ride this as far as it goes.

But seriously, get some help man. Do you have anyone that can help you?

Just wondering, because I don't know.

How was the butt catch a catch if you're supposed to have control of the ball to the ground?

There was no conclusive evidence that the ball ever touched the ground.

Oh OK. I knew I was missing something.

In the Giants game last night they were making such a big deal about that guy having control, it was confusing me.

That was different because he was on his way out of bounds, and they questioned whether he maintained control before he went out of the back of the end zone. Barnidge was in bounds throughout the play.

Ok, thank you!

First post I ever made on Dawgtalkers, or whatever the old site was called, back in 2000 or 2001 was about how our linebackers sucked. Some things never change.

I think my first post was related to our poor quarterback play.

My first ever post was in response to the 9/11 attacks on the old board. I had read the board for months before that, but that day was the 1st time I ever posted.

Yeah he was in until he injured his knee. No update on how severe yet, but Pettine's tone wasn't promising.

I do have one ? I hope someone can answer. Why is our d so bad? We signed and drafted players this past offseason to improve it and we regressed. The d last year was somewhat better you would think with the additions we would improve. Is it the scheme, poor coaching, lack of a true leader, what? It's too bad because even with a top 20 d we would probably be 4-1.

How is this possible? Ridiculous numbers, just sick. And negatives? Wonder what banner's ratings grade would be. No credibility from me, Joe.

Thanks, Josh.

Our D started out the exact same way last year. They were kicking ass down the stretch but they were garbage for the first 5 or 6 weeks and made steady progress.