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I thought the score was 16-20 a two puts you up by 6 what good does that do?

Haha, he edited that post quick.

Funny you don't see all the homers that were on here last week squawking about all of us negative nancys. Where are they today?

We needed 1 point to win the game. Pettine passes up the easy 1 point and goes for a risky 2. It will never make any sense.

Not only that, we almost go burned by the same thing last week..We went for 2 and failed and then had to go AGAIN and get 2 late in the game..For some reason every time I see a coach do this too early - the result is the same...they only think of the next points only and not needing more.

It is just weird ...

It's called never chasing points in a course of a game unless you absolutely have to. This was a huge gaff by Pettine and it cost us the game. This guy does not seem to get it. He is making rookie mistakes almost every single week it seems. Even average coaches don't let an opportunity get away like this one.

bottom line mccown cost us the game with his 3 turnovers.

j/c

Post game thoughts? Eh, daughter and I bought some "battleship" splat targets a few weeks ago.

Perfect time to use them today, after the game.

S & W 22A-1 .22 caliber pistol. Back yard.

She's trying to "splat" my ships, I'm trying to "splat her ships" I won, but she put up a good fight.

Brownies loss was a tough one, but it was better than most of you expected.

We had it, just couldn't take it. I can deal with it.

We had our opportunities to win this one. We fought back after not scoring in the first half and with Mingo's INT we were practically in position to win. The D played a lot better today but we still had no pass rush. Too bad too. They played hard most of the day.

No, both teams had 3 turnovers. Both had a "pick 6". Consider it a wash and look elsewhere...

ok mccown cost us the game because he could not gain 9 yards after the mingo int so we could kick a FG

Said every drunkie fan...I mean Johnny fanboy...everywhere

The quicker we cut that schmuck and move on from this ridiculous infatuation, the better it will be for all of us.

Pettine and the coaching staff made some pretty big blunders that cost us the game today (2 pt decision and no FG in the 1st)
McCown had some bad turnovers that cost us the game today.
Our offense's inability to get 5 yards after a gifted turnover or punch it in from the 10 yard line to win it in regulation cost us the game today.
Our defense's inability to stop LITERALLY ANYBODY in the running game cost us the game today.
Our defense's inability to hold a lead for more than 9 seconds without giving up a huge TD cost us the game today.

It was a team loss from top to bottom to a team that's a lot better than us. It is what it is. McCown is NOT the "problem".

And we wouldn't have even been there if someone had simply gone for the extra point.

As I said this week. Denver has the best or 2nd best defense in the NFL. Yet many posters what to cry about our QB not lighting up Denvers defense Nobody has blown up their defense this year. It's the reason they were undefeated. Our defense looked pretty good but so have the other 5 defenses that have played Denver.

Um, you cherry picked my comment... and missed the point entirely.

Post game thoughts:

It pretty much went as I thought it would: We got beat by a better team with a better QB and a better defense, one that can actually rush and sack a QB. Ours? No sacks this game. In fact, sacks are a rarity by our D.

At least it got fun for awhile, even though we lost... No surprises (sighs).

Not being able to get 1 first down to move into FG range, was of course, a key moment. But if you're blaming McCown for that, keep looking...

And of course the play calling in over time was absolutely atrocious. I really hope someone questions the offensive scheme and plan in over time after the Mingo INT. I have no idea what they were doing but it was asinine.

I didn't watch the game,as I was traveling,but I listened to it on Sirius radio.Man it was exciting.Donovan and Dieken are great.
I'm no math wizard,but the 2 point try was a bit puzzling.
This DC is a bit disappointing.There is absolutely no excuse to get caught,twice,substituting players and have Manning quick snap you.

The last two years we've had four first round picks. We had ONE of those guys starting. Gilbert is so bad he can't beat out Bademosi. Johnny is a long term project at best and a freak show at his worst.
Danny is at least a starter. But I've yet to see the game changer he was said to be.... and we have a backup Guard/Center.

With the way this team is drafting, and the way this team is playing, why would I support giving either Farmer or Pettine more time?

They haven't shown me one damned thing to make me think they deserve more time. At least not yet. Season isn't over but considering the easy part of the schedule is behind us and we are 2-4? It's not looking good. If we go 5-11 I believe Haslam will pull the plug. Flush the lot of them.... Even 6-10 I think gets us a new HC and GM. We shall see.

Zero sacks for the third time this season. Half of our games we didn't get a single sack. Considering we played an ancient Manning today that seems pretty pathetic to me.

me too ... we maybe touched him once?

Do you really think Denver should be considered 'easy'?

j/c

The thing that stood out to me the most was Manning. He made some very good throws. But it wasn't anything like the Manning of years' past. Actually kind of bummed me out a bit, to tell you the truth. I always looked forward to seeing him play and he looked average today.

JMHO

*edit*

Also, Manning was picking on Desir today, but Desir did ok. But I wonder if Haden is there if that makes a difference.

Father Time defeats all... I admit, it's sad not to see the Peyton Manning of old

If you are looking at 2015 season performance, their offense is pretty easy to shake up. The defense has been keeping them in games. Our front 7 should have been able to get to Manning but failed often. We have to admit that this defense took a major step back when Pettine and O'Neil arrived and Horton got ousted with Chud.

the thing that stood out to me was that on McCowns last interception the idiot had his eyes shut when he threw it.

I'm disappointed in the coaching today but all in all, we were in this game and should have beat a team with a hall of fame quarterback (even an over the hill one) and the best defense in the league. Not a bad game as far as I'm concerned.

I put the blame on this loss on McCown and the coaching staff. McCown's pick 6 to Talib was a throw that should never have been made and I don't understand why Pett passed up that FG chance in the first to go for it, when you get the chance to put up points early in the game you go for the points, and the 2 pt conversion attempt totally baffled, me when you are up 4 points, you take the surer thing and kick the EXP when the 2 pt conversion gives you no real edge.

I struggled with that as well...

Again this team can't finish games.
Losers lose winners win.
Why is this team 2 4?
Zero production from its 4 1st Rd picks
Is a good place to start.
Commit 12 million dollars to 2 WRS
WHO HAVE 12 CATCHES BETWEEN THEM IN 2015.
Yeah Farmer lovers how does that taste?

Does anyone actually love farmer?

Post game thoughts? Didn't get to see it and fell asleep listening to it on the radio. The Browns lost again and are no playoff contenders. Same crap, different year. Life goes on. The Cubs will win the World Series before the Cleveland "Charlie" Browns win a Super Bowl. Oh well.

Not replying to anyone in particular...just offering a mindset to protect your sanity as a Browns fan. See, I have been a fan for quite a while, and I would get mad when they lost, and I would get on here, or the old board on the home page, and complain about how bad losing sucked, and it would affect my mood the rest of the day, and into the week. I was a bitter fan.
This season, I have been using a new way of thinking about this team. I do not ever expect them to win! I do not give in to the notion of hope! This team has been back in existence since 1999, and what have they done to show that they are a good team? They have lost WAY more than they have won. They have drafted terribly since the return. They are equally as bad at luring in Free Agents. The good players they do draft, or aquire through Free Agency, they don't retain. So, when you factor these facts in, there really is no reason that we should expect this team to do well, ever.
That being said, I do still watch every game, and root for my team, but I do not expect a victory, ever. Even when we get a lead, I expect that they will do something to Cleveland themselves. That way when we get a victory, it is a pleasant surprise, instead of me being in a pissy mood for the next three days, when we lose.
It is not me that needs to change my mindset, the team must change it for me. Show me you can win more than you lose. Show me you can draft well, and retain the good players that you draft. Show me that you can build a winning team. Until that day comes, I will be an indifferent fan. After all, it isn't me out there on the field embarrassing myself. This way of thinking has made me much more enjoyable to be around after a Browns loss, and hope it helps someone here too.
I'm a Browns fan till I die, just not gonna lose my cool over a team that doesn't deserve it.

Probably won't say anything that hasn't already been said.

I was in and out of this game as I was in Cleveland visiting friends and family. Was doing a lot of driving around and seeing grandparents, so I heard a lot of the game as much as I saw it with my own eyes...

I saw most of the 4th quarter and the entire overtime. I thought Pettine and DeFilippo mismanaged things quite a bit. In the closing minutes when we had the ball in the red zone, they needed to be a little more aggressive. There was simply going to be too much time left for them to just think they can drain the clock and kick the 3. Go for the throat. You're the Browns. You have 5-0 on the ropes. I'm not saying just chuck the ball in the middle of the end zone and hope that nobody jumps in front of the route... Play to win the game just like the famous clip.

And then in overtime, I just shake my head. That's on Pettine. You get a great play from Mingo that sets you up for a win. Don't get cute. Run the damn thing up the middle. You needed a decent run and a few one or two yard gains on 2nd and 3rd.

Instead, we get this...

1st and 10 at DEN 39
(14:25 - OT) R.Turbin left end to DEN 42 for -3 yards (S.Barrett). Pitch-Ou
2nd and 13 at DEN 42
(13:43 - OT) (Shotgun) J.McCown sacked at 50 for -8 yards (M.Jackson)
3rd and 21 at 50
(13:01 - OT) (Shotgun) J.McCown sacked at CLV 48 for -2 yards (sack split by S.Barrett and A.Smith)

If you run the ball up the middle on first down, outside of a fumble, what's the worst that happens? You get stopped for no gain, maybe just a yard? at the 39?

Don't tell me you're a running team when you handle a key situation the way you did today.

The sad thing is that this team played well today. Denver made some great plays, but with good teams, that's what happens. The Browns took every punch from Denver today and didn't flinch. Their coach screwed them today.

Ray Farmer thinks we can be a winning football team without a franchise quarterback, he drafts backup offensive lineman with first round picks, and 3rd round receivers who can't make the team out of camp.

Pettine runs a horrible pitch play and 2 subsequent passing plays with the ball at 39 in a sudden death situation.

I really hate that we always have these people in charge that think they have to be cutting edge. Like hey look at me, I'm outside of the box and I'm going to rewrite this game.

My god. Just awful. The team played a good game today.

I hate to pile on... BUT, Pettine deserves every bit of it. However, his choice to go for two didn't directly lose the game. Taking the "free" point would put the onus of converting a two pointer on DENVER, should they happen to score a TD. A proposition that should be an obvious choice to any NFL coach. Trying to protect yourself from a 2 FG loss with 8 min in the 4th is one of the dumbest things I've seen in a while.

Beyond that, week after week, it's evident that he has no clue how to manage a clock. How hard is it to understand? I GET IT, and I'm an idiot. When we're driving for a possible game-winning score, you don't SNAP THE BALL with 10 sec on the play clock with the gamer at 2:45. Then we're forced to run a play before the 2 - from the 15 yard line. In all seriousness, just hand "swagger" a calculator, it would be an improvement. Remember Denver's long pass at the end of 4th that was overturned by replay? That's how close we were to losing in regulation - as a DIRECT, 100% RESULT of the snap at 2:45... It's not that hard.

Edit: Also wanted to ask... does anyone know if the Browns were allowed to change their conversion decision after the Denver encroachment penalty? Can they then decide to kick instead of going for 2? How would the penalty then be enforced?

your right. those turnovers by Mccown HELPED US.

your right. he was brilliant on those playes.

and it would not have matterd if we didnt turn the ball over.

(This post no longer relevant. Sorry.)