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I don't think Thompson is that big of a piece....i think with Andy and if Kaun emerges he won't get many minutes..but he is a piece and insurance against injury, but I think we could have done just fine without. Either way, glad to have everyone on board for this run

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/tristan-thompson-continues-his-poker-game-with-cleveland/

Thompson's best assets are his abilities to switch on the pick and roll and his offensive rebounding.

If I'm not mistaken he's been working out with lebrons trainers in miami. The pic of him and lebron he looked like he was still in shape...game shape remains to be seen

That's a good thing.

Wanna put money on that one?

In a heartbeat...i was right about him not getting the max, I'm right about this...if Andy stays healthy he is a MUCH MUCH better option than thompson

pretty funny..I still think we well overpaid for him, so does more people obviously. But in the end if Dan is willing, I just hope this doesn't keep us from giving Mosgov a contract.

http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2015/10/21/9589894/demarcus-cousins-tristan-thompson-contract-tweet

i just read that with Thompson in the fold, with the luxury tax and penalties, our payroll is 170million this year...WOW....we better win it this year or man

Meh, billionaires got money to spend.

What? You didn't answer the question. Do you wanna put money on who gets more minutes between Andy, TT, and Kahn?

Umm what part of in a heartbeat didn't you grasp?

Alrighty............how much? You are saying that Andy and Kahn will play more minutes than TT, right?

So, how much do you wanna wager?

lets add another piece to it, Highest PER as well..I'd go 1k, easy money


Just funny everyone now calling TT the most overpaid player in nba..


Just a side note before you bet, you realize that in real +/-, Thompson was 124th in the league, PER he was 116th, and was ranked 4th PER among cavs bigs...lol, so yeah lets do minutes/PER


http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2015/10/tristan_thompson_agrees_to_con.html#incart_river

My biggest concern about this deal is that Thompson's deal is completely guaranteed.

This is a guy who has a career 10.1 PPG/8.4 RPG average. That stat-line is trending down, as his minutes have shrunk. He is not a rim protector. He has no ability to stretch the floor at all. He is a good put back guy, and a great, one of the best in the NBA, offensive rebounder. That seems to be a really limited skill set for a 5 year, fully guaranteed deal though.

I hope that the team does not wind up regretting the fully guaranteed 5 years with Thompson. The one good thing, I guess, is that it will probably be easier to move big contracts when the cap explodes.

Hopefully we can trade him to Toronto after we win a title this year..

I still think that we overpaid greatly for him but glad to have him back on the team.

We have the depth, that's for sure. Now, all we need is to stay healthy.

Honestly if we don't win a title within this 2-3 year window, the city of Cleveland never will. I'm glad we have an owner that doesn't sell us on this whole "there's always next year" BS. The time to win is NOW. If we can't win with Lebron in the short amount of prime he has left, when are we going to exactly?


It's just reality. If you can't with a championship with a GOAT type of talent, you don't deserve one.

Why are you changing things?

I read your comment about Andy and Kaun getting more minutes than TT.

I wanna make that bet. Do you?

because playing alot of minutes and playing productive minutes are 2 different things, but I'll drop the PER caveat. But add one for both sides, barring injuries, yes andy/kaun will play more than TT, but obviously and injury to any 3 of them and it gets skewed, but no doubt in my mind Andy brings 100x more ability than thompson and he is a better PnR player and can pass from the post, whereas thompson is a black hole when he gets the ball in the post

Yep this is the best stretch many of us have had in our lifetimes to win a championship in cleveland..Dan Gilbert is not shy and he truly understands you have to spend money to make money..(are you listening Dolan). We have the best 3 to ever play the game, we have a top 3 4 in the game and a top 5 PG...thats stacked. It comes down to Blatt putting it together.

This is totally a keep lebron happy move, I hate it..His production is easily replaced..Put more consistent shooters out there and the offensive rebounding becomes less of an issue. But fully guaranteed is kinda risky. The problem I have with this whole deal is what do you do with Mosgov, if Thompson is worth 82, mosgov is worth 130 given that scale.. We may have screwed ourselves

I think that Thompson has real value to this team. It's not like he's a scrub player, who contributes nothing. He is an elite offensive rebounder. He is valuable in the pick and roll, and defensively has quick feet that allow him to cover more than just an opposing big. He is reliable under the basket out to a range of about 5 feet.

The question is whether that is worth the kind of deal he wound up receiving. That is my concern.

With today's cap or the one coming in a few years?

I would bet we'll be shocked and alarmed at the contracts that will be given out once the new CBA kicks it. By then, TTs contract will either be the norm or might be a bargain.

I saw that DeMarcus Cousins tweeted "How much?!" around the time that TTs contract was announced. That sounds like he's laughing or mad about it, but he should be celebrating. He signed his contract a few years ago. When he's a free agent in 2 years, he'll get way more than TT.

I'm not sold on him defensively...He may have quick feet but he's got poor technique, but I digress. I think to your point of his worth, maybe for any other team this would be a bad contract, I think only here does that contract make sense. Given the team makeup and the goals, for Dan gilbert paying 184 million this year in salary and taxes will be a drop in the bucket compared to if we win it all. Now if we don't win it this year, then you have Mosgov coming due next year and JR and Lebron..then things get a little more dicey. I'm just ready for it all to begin, get everyone healthy. I think by february this contract talk will all be old news.

My biggest concern is that we might not be able to afford Mozgov next year.

That's mine as well. We just set the benchmark for a back-up 6'10 guy that averaged 8/8 last year. How much is a starting seven-footer averaging 10/7 going to demand?

Too much.

I've seen what's happened in NASCAR - getting too big, throwing money around like they have a printing press - tracks adding seats as fast as they can - only to realized "hey, people aren't showing up".

Then tracks start removing seats (MIS is a perfect example). Teams struggle to find sponsors, and consequently cut drivers/teams.

Trust me, the nba and the nfl will see the same fate soon. People can't afford to go to games or just simply don't want to afford to go. Things will be fine, as t.v. money will enable the leagues to exist - for a time. But when t.v. money goes down, look out.

Now, football IS the nations pasttime, no doubt. It will take a bit longer. But, one need look no further than nascar to see what the future of the nfl and nba is.

When you get too big to fail, you fail

JMO.

I actually think the NFL is in a bigger position to fail. They could turn out to be a combination of Boxing and Baseball. Parents are already pulling their kids out of youth football because of fears of head trauma at an early age. Not to mention the cost of equipment and the ability of public schools to fund extra-curricular programs might limit who can actually play it in a middle to high school setting. Once you start to lose your youth base, the overall product slowly begins to crumble. They are also one of the greedier leagues out there as well as most violent. All those chickens may come home to roost, like they did for boxing and baseball.

I think basketball and soccer may have the most room for growth. More kids seem to play soccer than anything these days, and the simplicity of basketball makes it easy for just about anyone to scrounge up a team and play. Both are fairly cheap to fund in a school setting. I'm sure people will think that there's no way the NFL can fail, but at one point, Horseracing, Boxing and Baseball were the big three of American Sports.

The problem I have with Archs argument is that the NBA is growing globally. The money might not be here in America, but it might be in other countries. The NFL is screwed.

agreed, basketball has more global appeal than any other sport other than maybe soccer(i hate soccer) But the other thing is it reaches much more of the mid to small market areas. You also have a longer season which expands the opportunities to generate revenue, and with the shortest offseason of any sport its consistently in mind.

Yeah, that's a legit point.

My main point was the money. nascar has seen it's day. It simply costs too much to field a team. A competitive team, that is. Sponsors aren't paying up like they used to. Fans aren't showing up like they used to. As of late, only the top 3 Hendricks, Gibbs, and one that eludes me right now, are even in contention. The smaller teams are, and have been, outpriced.

Nascar is living off t.v. money right now, and that will dry up some in the next t.v. contract.

I'm afraid the nfl is headed that way. Now, I don't think t.v. money will dry up - but I can see the day where every game is pay per view in some manner. And that will work for a period of time, but it, too, will fail.

The nba, globally......probably has as good a chance as anywhere, but the money will be coming from worldwide.


Just my thoughts.

You say you have played basketball, but you clearly do not understand the basketball definition of the "black hole."

You keep changing the verbage. You made a dumb statement and I called you on it. Now, you won't man-up and just admit you misspoke. Instead, you keep adding qualifiers. Pffffttttt.....

Btw--------I didn't realize that missing games gives one a free pass.

I wanna give Dan Gilbert some credit. He isn't buying into the "loser's mentality" that affects so many Cleveland fans, writers, and owners. He isn't afraid of how the salary cap might be a problem 3-4 years from now.

Instead, he sees this as our best chance to ever win a championship and he is doing all that he can to make that happen. I applaud his guts. I commend him for not listening to the people crying about the salary cap down the freaking road.

Cleveland is not the place most NBA players would want to play in. But we have LeBron and all of a sudden guys wanna play here. Take advantage of that edge while you can and do everything you can to ensure you have a great chance of winning the championship NOW, rather than playing tight w/money and worrying about the cap in future years.

I am glad that Gilbert does not have the loser's mentality that infests the other Cleveland teams.

Oh.......and I don't think Gilbert is going to be losing money. LOL

I understand exactly what I meant by black hole. and he exactly is that..and obviously if someone gets hurt the minutes would be skewed.. Wasn't a thing i said "dumb"...you called me on it..lmao...man you are a trip...nevermind, I thought for some reason I could have a conversation with you, but its obvious you're childish and can never seem to act like an adult, so back on ignore.

Man back when Nascar was Winston Cup, the amount of money it made at the tracks was crazy..you had amazing races being put on and there wasn't all this crazy drama it has..I think they've made Nascar almost unwatchable.. i was a huge Dale Earnhardt fan, went to ALOT of races because my uncle actually went to high school with Frank Rousch and was close with Jack, so obviously he was a big Martin fan, and Frank was running Ted musgrave. But i used to watch races and spend the weekend in the garage area meeting all the drivers.. They were truly larger than life back then. Now its all about TV, they've ruined the race day experience for alot of fans. Nothing beat camping in the infield of MIS or talledega.

In bb, the term "black hole" means that once you throw it into the guy, he is never going to pass it and instead is going to jack up a shot, no matter what.

I don't think saying Andy and Kahn getting more minutes than TT was very smart.

Of course an injury skews the minutes. LOL........the point is that Andy is injured a lot. TT is not. You might wanna ignore that FACT when evaluating our bigs, but I will not. It's important!

I pretty much agree. Wife and I, and another couple, used to go to Bristol every year for probably 10 years? Sold out. Packed. Camp ground we used to say at had 1500 or more paying campers. Tickets were at a premium IF you could find them.

Now? The campground is lucky if they get 400 paying campers. Tickets? Cheap.

MIS - same thing. They've actually removed seats from turn 3. Totally removed them.

Nascar got too big for their britches, and the nfl is, sadly, heading that way as well. Salaries, guarantees, add in the cost of going to a game (parking, beer, hot dog, popcorn)

double digit rebounds double digit points.
point 2 Gilbert all in go cavs.
Thompson playoff performance Priceless

Excellent point about TT getting it done in the playoffs. The same guys who bash TT are the same guys who act/or acted like it didn't matter what happens early in the season and only the playoffs count.

They post his regular season stats over and over and over, but ignore how he totally dominated each opponent he faced in the playoffs.

LMAO.............it's unreal!

I think most of these guys grew up w/ESPN and watching highlights rather than playing and watching the real games.

Popovich will coach the USA basketball team. After Coach K in 2016.