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best way to utilize our 1st round picks?

Johnny at QB
Gilbert at Slot WR
Shelton at FB
Erving at "reporting" OT
Mingo at SS

just as we planned it


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If they're actually given the time to do so, I believe you to be right.


This is just spit balling on my part as I don't have any firsthand knowledge about the kid..

But it seems like all the negative reports about the kid have centered around a bad attitude and a couple out of touch statements like he played 'flawless'.

I'm kind of wondering if the kid has just been overwhelmed about being in the NFL and hadn't the maturity to handle it? A statement like he played flawless is really a sign of false ego or confidence.

He did look REALLY good on those returns didn't he? My hope is that if it IS a confidence type issue, that having some tangible success for him at as a returner will move in to other areas of his game.

Not trying to make excuses for the kid, but we all remember the weird kid in school right? The more people picked on them for being weird, they weirder they purposefully acted.

Don't think I'd bother trying him at WR tho.


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LOL, Farmer's FIRST PICK OF HIS VERY FIRST DRAFT has to change positions just to possibly survive a roster cut.

You can't make this stuff up.

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why not? he probably can catch better than most of our WR's lol


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All the negatives surrounding Gilbert from last season seem to have been turned around.

I have a good feeling (hope homerism call it what you may) that Gilbert is going to win the Starting CB job opposite of Haden. Of whom he worked out seriously with in the off season. Dedicating his efforts to get back to the good graces that he lost last season.

I believe he truly was humbled and has made that step of maturity to now become the best at his craft. The negatives of last year are fact. But here is another possible fact. The new leaf and his approach to achieve greatness will make 2014's loss into a Gain for 2015 and we didn't have to draft him...he is already here. Yeah yeah, a fluff piece but still a fact.

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That is either stalking or insulting...perhaps both. thumbsdown


i notice you only say things like this to 2 posters. others call each other names, run each other down but just the 2. i understand about me after spirits board crying about the football talk between me and eo but just baffled about you and vers.

some one is a stalker but if you want to find out who you should look at yourselfe.

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That is either stalking or insulting...perhaps both. thumbsdown


i notice you only say things like this to 2 posters. others call each other names, run each other down but just the 2. i understand about me after spirits board crying about the football talk between me and eo but just baffled about you and vers.



some one is a stalker but if you want to find out who you should look at yourselfe.


I made my point, now just let it go instead of adding further insults...

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That is either stalking or insulting...perhaps both. thumbsdown


i notice you only say things like this to 2 posters. others call each other names, run each other down but just the 2. i understand about me after spirits board crying about the football talk between me and eo but just baffled about you and vers.



some one is a stalker but if you want to find out who you should look at yourselfe.


I made my point, now just let it go instead of adding further insults...


no insult. just fact.


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You know, I do understand your point. But this is a message board and we are on the internet. A heavy dose of thick skin is required to participate in both of those activities.

I'm not upholding anyone and neither am I attacking anyone. I'm simply stating the way it's always been. I started posting on the original Dawg Talk which was the official message board of the Cleveland Browns before the bastardized cluster knows as Browns Chat that came afterwards.

It's the same as it ever was.


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That is either stalking or insulting...perhaps both. thumbsdown


i notice you only say things like this to 2 posters. others call each other names, run each other down but just the 2. i understand about me after spirits board crying about the football talk between me and eo but just baffled about you and vers.



some one is a stalker but if you want to find out who you should look at yourselfe.


I made my point, now just let it go instead of adding further insults...


no insult. just fact.


Let's not derail the thread and turn this into a slugfest. So, insert last word here ______.


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That is either stalking or insulting...perhaps both. thumbsdown


You know, I do understand your point. But this is a message board and we are on the internet. A heavy dose of thick skin is required to participate in both of those activities.

I'm not upholding anyone and neither am I attacking anyone. I'm simply stating the way it's always been. I started posting on the original Dawg Talk which was the official message board of the Cleveland Browns before the bastardized cluster knows as Browns Chat that came afterwards.

It's the same as it ever was.


well eo will get it even if others do not. i gave him props in the other board about coons. it was meant as a joke. at least i think eo would take it as one.....


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That is either stalking or insulting...perhaps both. thumbsdown


You know, I do understand your point. But this is a message board and we are on the internet. A heavy dose of thick skin is required to participate in both of those activities.

I'm not upholding anyone and neither am I attacking anyone. I'm simply stating the way it's always been. I started posting on the original Dawg Talk which was the official message board of the Cleveland Browns before the bastardized cluster knows as Browns Chat that came afterwards.

It's the same as it ever was.


well eo will get it even if others do not. i gave him props in the other board about coons. it was meant as a joke. at least i think eo would take it as one.....


Pit: There is an appropriate place for pblack's type of comments and it's not in Pure Football. Take that kind of talk to the Smack Shack...


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That is either stalking or insulting...perhaps both. thumbsdown


i notice you only say things like this to 2 posters. others call each other names, run each other down but just the 2. i understand about me after spirits board crying about the football talk between me and eo but just baffled about you and vers.



some one is a stalker but if you want to find out who you should look at yourselfe.


I made my point, now just let it go instead of adding further insults...


no insult. just fact.


Let's not derail the thread and turn this into a slugfest. So, insert last word here ______.


last word? you are a stalker to only 2 people on this board.


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That is either stalking or insulting...perhaps both. thumbsdown


i notice you only say things like this to 2 posters. others call each other names, run each other down but just the 2. i understand about me after spirits board crying about the football talk between me and eo but just baffled about you and vers.



some one is a stalker but if you want to find out who you should look at yourselfe.


I made my point, now just let it go instead of adding further insults...


no insult. just fact.


Let's not derail the thread and turn this into a slugfest. So, insert last word here ______.


last word? you are a stalker to only 2 people on this board.


Let. It. Go. My final comment...


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I made my point, now just let it go instead of adding further insults...


no insult. just fact.


Let's not derail the thread and turn this into a slugfest. So, insert last word here ______.


last word? you are a stalker to only 2 people on this board.


Let. It. Go. My final comment...
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LOL, Farmer's FIRST PICK OF HIS VERY FIRST DRAFT has to change positions just to possibly survive a roster cut.

You can't make this stuff up.


it doesn't feel right, but if he contributes, I'm ok with anything like that.


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Justin Gilbert 'excited to be back there' on kickoff returns and 'would love' a shot at offense

BEREA, Ohio -- Justin Gilbert's phone started blowing up Thursday with messages that left him baffled.

"People were texting me saying, 'Congratulations on moving to offense,''' Gilbert said Friday. "I was like, 'What are you talking about?' I haven't moved to offense.''

But the coaches acknowledged Thursday that they'd be wiling to try it, and special teams coach Chris Tabor also christened the 2014 No. 8 overall pick his lead kickoff returner.

The new job description came just days after Gilbert excelled at the chore during Sunday's 30-27 loss in San Diego, returning three kicks for an average of 36.7 yards, with a long gain of 38. The 38-yarder, from 5 yards deep in the end zone, came with 7:26 left in the game and the Browns trailing 27-19.

It led to Josh McCown's 1-yard touchdown pass to Gary Barnidge and two-point conversion pass to Taylor Gabriel that tied the game at 27 with 2:09 remaining.

"It felt great,'' said Gilbert, who set the Oklahoma State record with six kickoff returns for touchdowns. "Something I've been waiting on since I got here, and finally got the chance to do it. It felt good being out there.''

Gilbert, who got only eight snaps on defense despite cornerbacks Joe Haden (finger) and K'Waun Williams (concussion) both being out, admitted that the kickoff returns energized him.

"Most definitely,'' he said. "Especially (special teams coordinator Chris Tabor) on the sideline, juicing me up before the game and all during the week. I was just excited to be back there.''

He's equally thrilled that Tabor handed him the full-time job.

"It makes me feel good,'' he said. "I feel I worked hard for it and just stayed with it, knowing my chance would come at some point during the season. Now that it's here, I've just got to take full advantage of it.''

But Gilbert stopped short of saying that the boost from kickoff returns would translate to more confidence on defense.

"It has nothing to do with cornerback to me,'' he said. "It's two different things. (But) I could say you could feed off the energy. If you get a big kickoff return and then go out on defense, you can say it plays a little bit.''

Gilbert, who ran a 4.37 on the 40 at the NFL combine last year, attributed his success on kickoff returns to his speed.

"I'm fast,'' he said with a smile. "Seriously, though, I've been on offense most of my life. My first year playing defense was my freshman year in college. I'm just used to having the ball in my hands.''

Gilbert explained that he was a primarily a quarterback in grade school and all through high school in Huntsville, Texas. He also played running back and receiver.

In fact, several colleges, including North Texas, recruited him as a quarterback. So if the Browns find a role for him on offense, something that offensive coordinator John DeFilippo said he's exploring, Gilbert would relish it.

"If it happens, I wouldn't back away from it,'' he said. "I would be happy to do it. Whatever way I can help out the team. That'll give me a chance to have a ball in my hands, which I like to do. So I would love it.''

Are they serious about using him on offense?

"Who knows?'' he said. "Hopefully."

That's not to say the top-rated cornerback in the 2014 draft likes offense better.

"Not really,'' he said. "Pretty much the same.''

But thanks to a hip flexor injury suffered on Aug. 18th that evolved into a hamstring problem, Gilbert has struggled to get on the field on defense. He's currently the No. 5 or No. 6 cornerback, behind fourth-round pick Pierre Desir and undrafted Johnson Bademosi.

"I'm just really trying to get 100 percent back healthy and earn my way back to where I want to be in the defensive room, but right now it's in the specials room and doing my job, making sure I win all of my matchups on special teams right now,'' he said. "That's the biggest key for me right now."

He acknowledged that "it did come at a crucial point of training camp. But I just prayed and stayed humble about the situation and I was able to heal faster than I thought I would heal. It feels good to be back on the field."

Despite the setback, Gilbert still believes he can live up to his lofty draft status.

"Without a doubt, most definitely,'' he said.

Asked if he's a cornerback, he said, "I'm an athlete. I'm a cornerback and if they want me to play anywhere else I can do that as well. I feel like I can do it."

Gilbert also discovered a natural ability to block on punt returns, springing Travis Benjamin for a 31-yarded that set up a fourth-quarter field goal.

"It's something I didn't really know I had in me until I was out on the field,'' he said. "I didn't know how fun it could be until you get to block for a guy like Travis, knowing it's a possibility he could take it to the house pretty much every time he gets the ball in his hands. That pretty much motivates you to want to block for him."

Gilbert spoke for the first time since Aug. 13 after the preseason opener against the Redskins, when he said his technique was flawless except for a blown coverage on the game's first play. The interview before that, on Aug. 4, he acknowledged that the coaches wanted him to "prove that I really want to be a part of this team.''

Gilbert vowed to do just that, but was set back by the injury and by an off-the-field road rage accident in mid-September that had the team concerned about his well-being.

"That was just a big accident,'' said Gilbert. "It was a bonehead decision on my part."

Gilbert's teammates, who have watched him work hard to overcome his issues, are happy that he's found a starting job on kickoff returns.

"It's huge,'' said safety Jordan Poyer. "Everybody on the team knows how gifted of an athlete he is. For him to go out there and show what he can do with the ball in his hands is huge. I'm excited for him and excited to see where he goes from there. We'll just try to keep getting him good returns. When he has the ball in his hands he can do a lot of things.''

Unlike Gilbert, Poyer believes the boost can carry over to defense.

"Of course,'' he said. "Any time you make a player whether it's on special teams, offense or defense, early in the games, especially it builds that confidence. For him having that confidence to be able to go in there and help our offense get good field position. It's also going to carry over to him playing defense.''

And who knows? Maybe even offense someday too.

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If anyone was wrong here its the guy chasing Gilbert???
Am I seeing something different here?


Not seeing different here. What I see, is the article says Gilbert cut the other driver off, cut in front of?

Isn't that what we pay cornerbacks to do?

Justin Gilbert is going to be really good when he's really good, and really bad sometimes. (I'm talking about on the field.)
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He's a bust as a corner, better contribute some how. Cribbs became a hero here as a returner


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Who is Gilber?

What's a Gilber?????????????

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Being saying since last year...Justin Miller 2.0...First round pick by jets several years ago...who only flourished as a returner and was more or less a dime corner

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He's a bust as a corner, better contribute some how. Cribbs became a hero here as a returner


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He's a bust as a corner, better contribute some how. Cribbs became a hero here as a returner


Cribbs was also the last Browns player to catch a TD pass in a Pro Bowl game nanner


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What's a Gilber?????????????


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Random thought:

Clearly Gilbert has not thrived at CB. Can any of you with more football knowledge than me offer an opinion about moving him to a free safety position? If he can become a ballhawk that would make our defense quite dynamic because we know that once he gets his hands on the ball he can be electric, especially in the open field.


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Not sure this qualifies as "more football knowledge", but all I can offer is what I remember from his college days and he was a pure cover CB, not physical at all. He almost tried to avoid contact at times and was a horrible tackler. Remember when Pettine was asked about this evident issue after the pick/draft? He said something like "well, he's a CB, in our scheme it's not that important to tackle". How did that work out Mike?

Anyway, no way he can play any safety position considering his lack of physicality. I also don't think he has the zone coverage awarenees required for it, but that's pure speculation/opinion.


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That's an interesting thought.

I am leaning towards no for a couple of reasons:

--He is not a good tackler. Even in college, his tackling was seen as a weak part of his game.

--We have one of the best free safeties in the league. Him being nicked up and missing games this year has really hurt us.

--I think being a FS demands that one be even more cerebral, and that is something that Gilber definitely is not.

I do like how you were thinking out of the box, though. And I am just offering opinions and they may be wrong.

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Guys truthfully, with Gaines coming back and prior to his injury Mike/Jim just ranted and raved about the kid, and Desir already way in front of Justin, Justin may not have a role at corner here. Haden will be out of concussion protocol eventually.

The suggestion for free safety is IMO, decent but when you have Gipson and Poyer playing so well like he has been, not sure there's room there either for Justin. He's, IMO, not remotely physical enough to play strong safety and besides, I think ppl liked what they saw with I. Campbell.

Who knows where Gilbert can fit. It's looking like sole special teamer, someone we could've got the same production and etc in the 4th to later rounds as opposed to top 10 overall.

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Too late in the year to think about this for this year, but I wondered about trying him at WR.. Speedy, shifty, fast and good hands.. wouldn't be the first guy to switch sides in the NFL.

Random thought, probably not worth it.


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Too late in the year to think about this for this year, but I wondered about trying him at WR.. Speedy, shifty, fast and good hands.. wouldn't be the first guy to switch sides in the NFL.

Random thought, probably not worth it.


I think a couple of week ago this was brought up to coach and he said something about not ruling it out. Might have stemmed from him being a better KR than CD so far.

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Well of course he is. He is to big to force into the cd player wink


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Great input guys.

1 - Agreed that there is no way he could play strong dafety
2 - How good of a tackler does a free safety need to be
3 - Good point about a free safety having to be more cerebral than a Cb.
4 - We do have some good safeties but we failed to sign Gipson to a long term deal. Is he an unrestricted free agent after this season?
5 - I don't know if he would be able to play the zone aspect or not
6 - interesting idea about changing him to Wr.
7 - Changing him to either S or Wr would be an off season project


I think the biggest issue with conversion to a FS is the lack of cerebral capabilities. Had I thought about that myself I probably wouldn't have made the suggestion.

The other question is, would Gilbert even be willing to consider a switch? I think that he thinks he is too a good at Cb to be willing to be "downgraded" to safety. I use quotes because I think a good safety can make more of an impact than a Cb but I think he is too arrogant to accept that. And the arrogance is my outside impression. I truly ahve no idea how arrogant he is or isn't.


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I tried not to, but I can't help it as I can't get the play outta my mind... how did Justin not get a PI called on him last game, where he indeed saw decent amount of action at corner? The one play he was beat for a TD and he just totally molested the guy before the ball got there in the endzone?

Unreal how blindly obvious that PI was, and how the refs missed it. If that's is Justin's improvement, then my opinion on him hasn't changed.

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Had he not been looking back at the ball when he touched the WR he may have gotten called for interference. How many times have you heard the announcers say after such a play, in which PI was called, that had the CB been looking back for the ball he would have gotten away with it. Gilbert was looking back at the ball very early on in that play.

Remember, the DB has every bit as much right to catch the ball as does the WR. However, he must show that intent by looking at the ball. It's when you don't look back at the ball your intent to interfere is assumed.

I felt Gilbert made one hell of a play in that instance.

I could be wrong about the specifics of when the PI is called and when it isn't.


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Its all about Angles....from the End Zone Camera I think the tug on the arm was evident.

Not only that play but the entire game the refs were letting a lot get away...but its only obvious PI when its against us. I even saw a Jersey Pull with it clutched in the defender's hand and no Holding call like we've seen all season.

The crew was letting a lot get away including that close tight play but if you couldn't see that Tug around the waist and arm. Nothing was obvious.

jmho - Btw in my book - we need about 50 of those calls to even get close to evening up the bad calls!


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So, did you see that as PI against Gilbert?


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