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Saw this this morning and wondered how the average player with poor grades manages to stay in school for 4-6 years but does not graduate. I can see how the college wants to protect it's scholarship athletes but what about the non scholarship players who still hang on without success.?


December 4, 2006

Study: Black, white graduation divide at schools in top bowls
TRAVIS REED
Associated Press Writer

ORLANDO, Fla. - College football teams headed for the five major bowls this year performed better academically on the whole than the national average, according to a study released Monday.

At these top programs, however, the disparity between black and white graduation rates grows by nearly double.

The nation's best football teams are generally improving in the classroom, according to an analysis by Richard Lapchick, director of the Institute for Diversity and Ethics in Sport at the University of Central Florida.

Of the 64 teams invited to bowls this year, 86 percent graduated at least half their players. And 40 of this year's top programs - 62 percent - matched or beat the NCAA's new Academic Progress Rate standard, which is intended to more accurately gauge grades and graduation rates.

The statistics Lapchick used are preliminary and don't include the most recent school year.

Perhaps most strikingly, white athletes in the Bowl Championship Series - the top five bowls, including the BCS title game - beat their counterparts among the 119 NCAA Division I-A schools by graduating 81 percent of the time, compared with 62 percent division-wide. The black athlete graduation rate was 56 percent among those schools, also better than the 49 percent overall rate.

But the discrepancy between white and black players' graduation rates for top bowl teams - a 25 percentage point difference - was nearly twice the 13-point divide within the NCAA average.

Unbeaten Ohio State was next-to-last in black academics. The Buckeyes graduated 32 percent of black players, better only than Georgia (24 percent) among the 64 bowl teams. Ohio State has an 80 percent overall graduation rate for athletes, and an 85 percent rate for white football players.

Lapchick said the racial disparity was a continued concern, but the NCAA's new academic standards are already making a difference.

"I go to a lot of campuses to speak and I'm told on a regular basis that they're recruiting very different student-athletes these days because they know they can't afford the penalties," Lapchick said. "A lot of schools that formerly took risks on student-athletes because they were so great athletically, they're no longer recruiting those student-athletes."

Boston College and Navy, which are meeting in the Meineke Car Care Bowl, had the best Academic Progress Rates of any bowl-bound programs (Navy with 986, BC with 982).

Seven of the eight Atlantic Coast Conference teams in bowls made Lapchick's top 25 academically: Boston College, Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Maryland, Miami, Wake Forest. The lone exception was among ACC bowl teams Virginia Tech.

The APR was developed in 2004 and awards points based on how many scholarship athletes meet academic eligibility standards. A cutoff score of 925 means an estimated 50 percent of those athletes are on track to graduate. Twenty-four schools this year fell below that rate, and that will eventually lead to stiff penalties.

"As our reforms continue to take hold, we expect to see higher levels of improvement and achievement in the overall academic success of our student-athletes," the NCAA said in a written statement. "This is critical, because very few of them will become professional athletes."

Forty-eight schools graduated two-thirds or more of their white players, but just 18 met that mark for black players. Twelve schools graduated less than 40 percent of their black football players, while no program fell below that standard for white players.

Troy was the only bowl school that graduated more black players than white (by 9 percentage points).
This story can be found on Jacksonville.com at http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-apnews/stories/120406/D8LQ5TM02.shtml.


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It is good that progress is being made but I have a question... or two.

What is the overall graduation rate for new enrolling freshmen? Is the rate for athletes better or worse than for the student body as a whole?

And when it says they graduate XX%... does that mean they have to graduate in 4 years.... 5 years? when their eligibility runs out? When do they stop tracking them?

Oh, and your link doesn't work.


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Troy was the only bowl school that graduated more black players than white

Why is this an issue at an historically black college ??

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[color:"orange"]the shame is that more black athletes are getting scholarships and simply aren't prepared scholastically for college. Which means the HS are passing these kids through as great athletes and not giving them the HS education they deserve.

Somewhere along the lines the kids just aren't getting the education and its well before they reach college.

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Somewhere along the lines the kids just aren't getting the education and its well before they reach college.



IMHO, the culture of these kids is the determining factor. If their parent's aren't educated, or don't have a drive to be educated. Their children simple won't give two poops about it either.

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St. Eds would go to great lenghts when I was there to make sure guys played. I don't remember at anytime anyone checking to make sure we were all eligable.....ever

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Does this article take into consideration the higher rates of black players leaving early for the NFL? The top BCS schools surely lose a higher percentage of white & black players each year to the draft. Without incorporating this element this article is too narrowly scoped. Not that I refute the overall premise but sometimes when analyzing something you have to use all of the "knowns" when trying to paint the picture. The article confirms our suspicions but lacks a degree quantitative inclusiveness & accuracy which SHOULD be included when naming names of schools. If you want to make broad sweeping comments & generalities, you cant use specifics to make your point as it suits you.

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Wow,Guys...I found the article. I didn't research and print it.

I think that it is tragic that anyone spend years in college and leave without a degree. What may be more tragic is that young men head to college unprepared academically,emotionally and maturity wise. To be passed along throughout your educational path without ever mastering basic skills is beyond tragic.

I don't know the number of student/athletes involved in this study,but I doubt leaving early for the draft doesn't seem to me to be a very large per centage of them.

Did the NCAA adopt measures to penalize programs where the graduation rate was very low??? Seems to me I remember reading about that and the potential loss of scholarships allowed to be offered.


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It IS very, very sad. The fact(s) of the matter(s) are, as a society we place MORE value on athletic ability than we do education. College football is nothing more than a free minor league breeding ground for the NFL. If you want that degree, or the associated graduation rate, to go hand-in-hand with institutionalized athletics, then you better create leagues/conferences where only the 3.0 + kids play and then you step down to 2.5, 2.0, etc, etc. Is that then not a "discriminatory" policy ??

I used to believe, with extreme naivety, that colleges were for education, and that football was a (npi) sideline reward. How stupid of me.

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My comments werent directed at you ralphie just throwing out some other factors to consider. My post was more a critique of the article. What it points to is something I think we all are aware of i just didnt agree with they way it goes about telling the story.

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Boston College and Navy, which are meeting in the Meineke Car Care Bowl, had the best Academic Progress Rates of any bowl-bound programs (Navy with 986, BC with 982).

I missed that earlier,...the Academy is a special place for special people. I don't know exactly how "waiverable" SAT scores are for entering midshipmen football players, but the average for the whole student body is like 1250,....

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Does this article take into consideration the higher rates of black players leaving early for the NFL? The top BCS schools surely lose a higher percentage of white & black players each year to the draft. Without incorporating this element this article is too narrowly scoped. Not that I refute the overall premise but sometimes when analyzing something you have to use all of the "knowns" when trying to paint the picture. The article confirms our suspicions but lacks a degree quantitative inclusiveness & accuracy which SHOULD be included when naming names of schools. If you want to make broad sweeping comments & generalities, you cant use specifics to make your point as it suits you.

The article gets a D+ in my book. <img src="/images/graemlins/plthumbsdown.gif" alt="" />

I was thinking the exact same thing.
Hank didnt finish his last few classes et because he got picked up via free agency.

I had a full ride for athletics to Uconn. Its a 5yr scholarship. I took 12 credits a semester because I was in no hurry. We had EVERY resource available to us, tutors, study hall, laptops to take on away trips etc. Our athletic advisor had our test grades before we did.

Now take all the support into consideration, its hard to fathom that one race would get more help than the other. I think it has a large amount to do with players leaving early.......... or even when they are seniors, if they were on the "5 year plan" they wouldn't have graduated.

One good thing about the NFL is that they have a continuing education program. Hank will finish his degree when he is done playing.......

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[color:"orange"]the shame is that more black athletes are getting scholarships and simply aren't prepared scholastically for college. Which means the HS are passing these kids through as great athletes and not giving them the HS education they deserve.

Somewhere along the lines the kids just aren't getting the education and its well before they reach college.

JMHO

No, the HS are doing their jobs. It is the parents and students that are lacking. Ever wonder why some kids that are recieving the SAME education are doing fine, but others are not? Sounds to me like its parenting not the teachers.


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but only 32%of its black football players .... nice job guys ... *LOL* ... something u can all feel real proud of ... <img src="/images/graemlins/plthumbsdown.gif" alt="" />

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Playing the Race Card

If you're a black football player and attend Michigan, USC, LSU, Texas, Oklahoma, Tennessee or Ohio State, you stand a 50% chance or less of ever getting a degree. OSU is rated number one on the football field, but last in racial graduation. OSU has the biggest racial discrepancy between white and black player of any bowl team in the country. Here are the stats from the Boston Globe.

The Boston Globe also reranked teams based on graduation rates:

Top 25 Graduation Rates
1. Navy 98
2. Boston College 96
3. Notre Dame 95
4. Wake Forest 93
5. Nebraska 88

6. Florida 80
7. Penn State 80
8. Texas Christian 78
9. Virginia Tech 74
10. Michigan 71

11. South Florida 66
12. Boise State 65
13. Maryland 64
14. South Carolina 64
15. Auburn 63

16. Texas A&M 63
17. West Virginia 63
18. Wisconsin 62
19. Oregon State 60
20. UCLA 59

21. Rutgers 58
22. Tennessee 58
23. Arkansas 55
24. Georgia Tech 55
25. OSU and USC 55

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Someone is gonna use the "Ohio State is bigger then most of those school line, not that I care just a thought after I read this...

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... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.

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Nice solid, well thought out articulate reply ... did u happen to play football at OSU??? *L*

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u must have played football there also .... this is FOOTBALL PLAYERS ONLY and has nothing to do with size of the school .. unless of course OSU is also cheating and giving out more scholarships than the NCAA allows .. <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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OSU still OWNS ND.

Be gone, homer.

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Oooops .. didnt ;see it ... sorry about that ... interesting but sad article .. there actually applauding the improvement .... its really sad when so few kids take advantage of such a GREAT OPORTUNITY ...

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and has nothing to do with size of the school


a "size doesn't matter" argument?? <img src="/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />


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Hey thats pretty good when only 10% of the players go there looking for a education... <img src="/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif" alt="" />


Common it's a step for them for a chance to play in the NFL and make big money.....of the 45% that dont graduate, probebly 35% of those make over a million dollars in thier life, a heck of a lot more than some of those who do graduate,


Education is very important, dont get me wrong, but is that really what were talking about here....

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Nice solid, well thought out articulate reply ... did u happen to play football at OSU??? *L*

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