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Well that was horrible.

There's no plan. No future. There's nothing to rally around.

The players know it and they play like it.

We are worse than Jacksonville.

for being the "best chance to win", McCown fumbles the same, if not more than Manziel does.

We have regressed so much from last year. I don't see how we don't clean house.

Played well at times... turnovers absolutely killed us... some really stupid penalties, and we gave up a couple back breaker runs... really thought we were going to pull it off until the Benjamin fumble... the team gave up after that...

Play like a Brown.

Gurley is a complete beast.

Are his legs and arms covered in Vaseline?

Another loss in a winnable game where we simply devastated ourselves. The Rams D was very good today, but we had several chances to be in this one and just couldn't get out of our own way.

Not going to rant because I now expect a loss every week with this team. Pettine has lost my support until he shows he can coach; I like how he carries himself and deals with the media but I don't think his HC skills are up to the task.

I know a lot of you are enamored with Josh McCown but I'm ready for Johnny Manziel. Let him play win or lose, at least it will be fun to watch. McCown is a great guy and has played well, just not the future and at this point the future is what we are playing for this season.

I'd still give Pettine another shot, but that's just me. Farmer & O'Neil can take a hike for all I care. Although the D showed up in the beginning today. Which OF COURSE always means the O will not.

As for this game? Did we have more negative than positive yardage by any chance?

Such a bad combination of underachieving o-line and McCown holding onto the ball too long.

Another bad game against a team that seemed to want to give us a win.

Maybe it is piling on after another bad lose - to a team we should beat but...

What the heck do we have to build on? It's like every week is another way to lose...do we practice? Do we develop game plans? How many false starts can we have in a seasons with the SAME QB in a stadium that was 1/2 full?????

There is so much blame to go around that my puny head hurts trying to see the direction and build plan...I want so much for Pet / Flip / O'Neil to be the answer...but the questions keeps changing...

We 'should' be gelling now at this point and we are getting worse...if you take the last 5 games of last season and these 7 games this year....dear Lord it has been bad...

Just don't know where we go from here except to [fill in the blank]...

Manziel has to play for the good of the future of the franchise. McCown has played well, but he is a band aid at best. If we go into 2016 without knowing what Manziel is then the 2015 season is a complete and total waste.

I don't care if it looks like giving up on the season. The season is over anyway. We need to see if Manziel can play.

Jaybird, i know you are a fan just like me, but we can't claim to have "played well at times" when we get manhandled by a very average team like that. We sucked today and we suck this year. We suck this century and we suck this millennia. I don't think we have five players I would care whether we kept or not.

This was always going to be a problem. It's even more of a problem when you are facing one of the best defensive lines in the league.

This was a very good team effort today. We really hung in there and battled. We won the stat game including penalties and turnovers. All this team needs to do is keep fighting and gel then the wins will come. As the year goes on these losses will turn into wins. Stay the course!

but that's what i've been saying for a while now.

if our line is only good against bad teams, then we weren't really good in the first place.

What does McCown holding the ball too long have to do with the line (other than the only reason he has that much time to throw being the line)?

mccown does hold the ball long.

but mccown was also getting murdered before he even finished his 3 step drop as well.

i agree with you that it's a combination of both.

but i simply highlighted the idea that our line was elite in the first place. i personally never thought they were.

Our offensive line has looked like crap this whole year. No running game because we are not using the zone blocking scheme from last year. And their pass blocking has gone down hill

Most of the time he was clean and was able to get a good pass off. No team is going to keep their QB clean the whole game against the likes of Quinn, Donald, and Fairley.

And at the end of the 4-12 season the homers will say how the Browns oline is Top 5 in the NFL

This is not true at all. We have a QB who holds the ball too long.

Our tackling is horrid. I am sick and tired of watching the D-backs run up and throw themselves at their legs. Have the never been taught to wrap.

Coaching: all of them lack any fire. I don't want to see a Harbaugh whiner after every play, but some emotion would be nice. Do they no know how to use their players. Mixing it up and spreading the ball around, doesn't mean using the same player 10 times in a row and then give the next guy 10 plays. There is no imagination with this offense, it's predictable and poorly executed.

Josh has no pocket sense what so ever. He can't feel pressure. He stands like a statue.

The officiating was not good, but nothing they did trumped any mistakes we made. Every fumble call was correct. Some of the tricky tacky stuff is frustrating but it didn't cost us a game. I've read on here people complaining about the female ref. To be honest I didn't notice her until late in the 4 quarter. So she didn't do anything to warrant the comments

once again, i understand that.

but we have trouble keeping mccown clean even when we're aren't going against a talented line like that so far this year as well.

on top of that, did you see that false start by bintonio? that was a penalty based off somebody being scared of the pass rush.

Yes, Josh does hold the ball too long but its because NO ONE IS OPEN!!.. He should hit the checkdown faster! But at various times, the Rams were blitzing and the O-Line did not change protections.

If we win Pettine is stoic and unflappable. If we lose he shows no emotion. Tony Dungy showed no emotion and no one cared -- because he won.

this team was in vacation mode this week. The refs hammered us with penalties. mcCown was knocked out after the helmet to the chin and then head bouncing, he wasnt takent out and checked out and was on wobbly legs then he got put on his back again and his head bounced off the ground. That shouldnt happen especially after what happened with Colt.

Now I thought the D hung in there but finally just got worn down.

I wanted Johnny to be starting but I dont want to see McCown walking out like that, he looked bad. I think he would probably be better off going into coaching. He will be a good one. I give him as much credit as anyone for the improvement we have seen with Johnny this year.

Whose job is it to change protection? Usually the QB. How is it the fault of the offensive line that receivers don't get open (which I don't know if I agree with)?

Sometimes it seems that way, but of course there is a reason for that. Perhaps the routes are poor, nobody open, etc. I believe that, for the most part, he gets the ball out just fine...

The Browns as a whole lack physicality. That's a problem.

All joking aside at 2-5 and with the schedule we have the season is pretty much over. Let's start Manziel and see what we have, what can it hurt? Maybe we should try something new on D because as we know what we are doing isn't working.

I do see a pattern of dink and dunk offense starting to become the norm for us... Teams are loading up and pinning their ears back because we don't do enough to stretch the field.

I also think you play (feature) Crow or Turbin, not both. Johnson is by far the best back we have out of the backfield and he gives the other two a run for their money on rushing. Right now however, we do not run the ball well at all.

Even with my complaints I would keep the staff in tact... Don't really care about Farmer, if we need a sacrificial lamb (scapegoat) he looks like one to me.

Might look to upgrade the line coaches on both sides of the ball though, and probably the strength and conditioning coach too.

McCown has been a bad deep ball thrower his whole career. We have one of the best deep threats in the league (Benjamin), that doesn't do anyone any good if the QB can't make accurate throws deep.

McCown wont be cleared until probably after the bye and by then we should know a lot more about Johnny.

CFRS15 and OldCold, a lot of the dinking and dunking is just due to a lot of checking down. I think we will see a lot more deep throws the next couple of weeks with manziel. its his strength.

I agree.

Our offensive line was putrid today, false starts and holding calls are a tell tale sign they were getting man handled by defensive front.

McCown stinks, I don't care what kind of numbers he puts up we only got 6 points and he is just one of those guys that when the game is on the line when it matters he is going to blow it. He is old, slow, looks gassed when he walks up to the line, he ball security stinks and if his receivers are covered he will literally just stand there and hold the ball until he is sacked.

Are receivers are fragile, twice the ball was jarred loose by a hit today. Benji even braced himself in anticipation of the hit and still lost it. I like him but is not a #1.

I thought the defense played well for most of the game especially given the positions they were put in but in the end they finally broke down and fell apart.

Today, I'm more excited for a "fake" sport than I was watching a real sport.

Some, sure. But a lot of it substitutes for our (lack of a) running game...

Yup. A lot of our receiver's routes are designed to clearout room for an underneath throw to Duke Johnson in space.

(I am okay with that.)