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Like everybody else here, I'm tired of all of the penalties that we accumulate, especially during the worst possible moments. I remember during the Mangini years, that penalties were few and far between it seems. I went to NFLPentalies.com and did some checking, here's the results:

Year - # of penalties Offense/Defense/ST
2009 - 77 - 32/29/16
2010 - 79 - 33/30/16
2011 - 95 - 46/31/18
2012 - 113 - 51/43/19
2013 - 104 - 51/33/20
2014 - 116 - 43/50/23
2015 - 60 - 30/15/15

Seems to me that Coach Pettine needs to start getting these guys disciplined, we're only halfway through this season and have as many offensive penalties as in 2009

Joel Bitonio is our current leader with penalties at 7, followed by Joe T. with 4(he was 2nd last season and had 10 total in 2013)Think it has something to do with all of the turnover and learning new schemes?

wow, so it's not even mid season for us yet, and we're already on pace to break 120 penalties this year.

that, combined with all the other problems on the field....thats some excellent coaching, huh.

Yeah, but Flip told us we were going to be a fundamentally sound team that runs the ball down people's throats.

Not to derail the thread, but what the hell happened to our run game. I know we lost Shanahan, but I thought we were keeping the ZBS philosophy. But even with our OL intact, health-wise, it wasn't a shadow of the performance we saw last year in games vs Pitt and Cinci. Is Mack at 100%? Did Bitonio regress? Or did opposing teams just catch up with us?

We are averaging 8.3 penalties a game. At this pace, we will have 133 penalties by the end of the year.

Of the 83 penalties so far, 60 of them have been during away games. We only have 23 penalties at home which is 4th lowest in the league. WTF is that all about?!?

17 False start penalties is about 10 too many. Believe it or not this is usually the fault of the QB coach more than the o-line coach. If the QB's aren't varying their snap counts in practice, the line gets used to it a certain way. When the QB varies it in a game, the line jumps. It also helps to have the o-line coach get nasty every time someone jumps in practice.

6 delay of game penalties is about 4 too many. We will always be high on this one until we get rid of the revolving door of players and guys are more set in their responsibilities.

5 illegal formation penalties is about 4 too many. Some teams go an entire season without this penalty being called and we average a call every other game. This is a sign that guys are unprepared for Sundays.

6 Delay of game penalties is about 4 too many. This usually happens because the plays are getting in too late or player substitutions are getting in too late.

1 taunting penalty is 1 too many. We suck too much to be taunting anyone.

Penalties, especially pre-snap penalties are a direct reflection of a lack of discipline.

Not to derail the thread, but what the hell happened to our run game. I know we lost Shanahan, but I thought we were keeping the ZBS philosophy. But even with our OL intact, health-wise, it wasn't a shadow of the performance we saw last year in games vs Pitt and Cinci. Is Mack at 100%? Did Bitonio regress? Or did opposing teams just catch up with us?

Not a penalty...but a practice I'm told by Referees is that when there is a questionable call by the GOAL LINE they will "ALWAYS" (unless you are the Browns evidently) Call the touchdown because TDs are automatically reviewed. Instead a red flag and it is stated that inconclusive evidence cause the ONLY GOAL LINE SHOT THEY HAD - there was a Steeler standing on the GOAL LINE blocking that camera shot so that they could change the call to the Correct call. Manziel scored.

jmho

Thanks for the breakdown on the penalties. Very interesting.

I remember when Mangini was here we were one of the least penalized teams. In practice he made players run laps when they committed a penalty. He held them accountable for that.

It might not be a bad idea to incorporate that into the works now. I think Pettine has to get tough on penalties or they'll keep happening. Just knowing better is not enough. Discipline has to be instilled.

This should spark some debate Mangini was the BEST coach we have had here since the late great Paul Brown.

I have to give that slot to Marty. He had his shortcomings but he also had this team playing at a high level consistently.

Mangini is a tough one for me. Yes, he did a lot of good things, but he also did a lot of the things that Pettine is doing now that aren't good (his handling of rookies for example).

I guess it depends if he learned from his mistakes in NY and here. He's got a lot going for him, but he was such an unapproachable, stubborn ass at times. His attitude needed serious improvement, especially when things were rough, and that's when you need solid leadership the most.

Mack played right away, and that was because of attitude, I feel (nobody really knows for sure, just me guessing). Haden did not play/start right away. Mack didn't have the greatest rookie year but he was always out there starting. I think that had a lot to do with him buying into Mangini's discipline/program.

Then there was the whole thing with Jerome Harisson. Mangini refused to play him, and then turned him loose for the last part of the season and the guy breaks records.

I think our defensive coaching schemes/coaches are the worst we've ever had

Harrison was replaced in pre season by Hillis and never was spit after he left Cleveland. I think Lewis the kid that is doing so well for the Pats this year was part of that deal????

t j ward was playing right away too. what ever happen with Harrison? he had a brain tumor?

Not a penalty...but a practice I'm told by Referees is that when there is a questionable call by the GOAL LINE they will "ALWAYS" Call the touchdown because TDs are automatically reviewed.