DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Why didn't Farmer follow the Steelers/Bengals draft blueprint?

I tend to agree with you, mac. Someone who can give direction to the team filling a position similar to that which Mike Holmgren had in the past. It has been brought up previously who that might be...Peyton Manning!

Thinking about Holmgren is exactly why going that route scares the heck out of me. The Big Show devastated this franchise. No way do I want that scenario to play out again.

Jimmie, are you waiting for next year to appoint Peyton Manning as your President and COO to clean up this mess?

It doesn't scare me because I already know that Farmer is doing a terrible job. I just don't want a big-name figurehead like The Big Show handcuffing everyone w/an authoritarian position while not actually doing much work. Heck, The Big Show was often absent from the team DURING the season visiting one of his many homes across the country.

I am all for replacing Farmer. He is doing a terrible job and we cannot afford to continue to blow drafts. Blowing a draft doesn't cost you a few plays, a game, or even a season. It haunts you for about a decade.

Thinking about Farmer running another draft really scares me, mac.

I just don't think I want too many hands in the pot. Hire a GM that Pet can work with and you still maintain most of your continuity and the new guy's drafts and free agent decisions really can't be any worse.

What? How did you get that out of my post?

I clearly stated that I wanted Farmer gone and to bring in a new GM who can work w/Pet.

Did you even read my post?

Why would you have anyone with authority to override a GM? A GM's sole job is to be responsible for acquiring, and making the final decisions on, talent. If your GM is not good at that, then find a new GM. Don't hire someone that can trump him. That's ridiculous, IMO. That looks like a waste of money.

I finally clicked on this thread... kind of wish I hadn't.

Steelers drafted RB Bell in the 2nd round. Farmer drafted RBs in back-to-back 3rd rounds.

Steelers drafted three fourth-round WRs listed. Farmer drafted a 4th round WR this year.

Bengals drafted 2 1st round CBs over the past several years. Farmer drafted a 1st round CB in his first draft.

Jarvis Jones is so good the Steelers brought back 54 year old James Harrison. Is Shazier really all that? Farmer drafted ILB Kirksey in the third round and OLB Orchard in the 2nd round. The year before Farmer's two drafts, the Browns took an OLB in the top 6... you want him to use another 1st rounder on an OLB?

It kinda looks to me... like Farmer is using the Steelers' and Bengals' blueprint, for better or for worse.

I kinda thought that before clicking on this for the first time.

So does Kuharich answer to Farmer or does Farmer answer to Kuharich?

When Farmer was hired, my head exploded and I posted a tirade that I wished I could pull back. Last week I went to YouTube to see if any of the Kansas City Chief's Hardknocks episodes were available, so I could post the links on the board.

I stated in my tirade that if you were able to see these episodes you would immediately understand what you are getting. And... it isn't pretty.

There are smart, sharp, bright guys who know football and know how to administrate without being a tool.

Once we had Lombardi and Farmer on board, my enthusiasm for getting rid of Junior and the beginning of a new era dampened to a wet noodle.

I don't. I think it was a Farmer hire as part of his personnel staff.

What I am saying is we don't need someone over a GM, Kuharich or otherwise trumping a GM. Because that person would be, in fact, the 'real' GM. If you don't like your GM, find a new one. Don't hire someone over him. That's seems like a waste of money.

In theory, just fire Farmer and promote Kuharich to GM. It's the same concept.

mac: did he have any responsibility for the draft? If he was in the Pro Personnel, did he have anything to do with college players? I don't know...

Mac, we do have a problem. And, Jimmy's way of dealing with past problems almost neutralizes his ability to deal with this one.

A number of guys have posted "anybody on this board could have drafted the past two years and done better"

Usually I let a comment like this slide off.

When I think about it, its accurate.

To me, April goes like this:

I think we all believe that we have a good idea on what these guys should do, then we realize that what they will do is something different, after all they have access to all sorts of information and research that we don't.

Then, we go through one of our drafts and afterwards we hope we just didn't have a clue and all we have to do is be patient and in time we will understand.

Next, a few years later, we realize we were right, or at least a lot closer than we wish we were, or want to believe. The result is we get attacked by our fellow dawgs as not giving the poor little millionaires enough time to develop or not believing in the doctrine of continuity.

Finally, we look back at all the disasters, shake our heads, try to find some glimmer of hope, and ...