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well one thing for sure if haslem is letting this happen no way is farmer gone at the end of the year.

"But we have Cam Erving! "

"Great!"

"Oh wait, he's just an interior linemen"

"Gre. . .wait, what?"

Could JT be asking for the trade, if it is true? Didn't the NFL make trading longer tenure veteran players hit against the salary cap lower so they could easier to stay in the league??

That does make sense to me.

https://twitter.com/NateUlrichABJ/status/660846730766888960



There is no plan. Or the plan that is in place really stinks.

Fire Sale!!



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Mingo, Kruger, and Mack all make sense.

Thomas makes sense no sense.

fire sale. trading anyone with value.

Or in Mingo's case, scraping the garbage off the top of the scrap heap.

Well I guess that answers one item as I read it...Pet / Flip / Oneil are saying they don't have the players they want...It looks like they will keep all 3 coaches for the next 5 years, I guess the thought is we rip off the bandaid, set in the schemes, draft and get players to fit, and in 2018 we will be ready to go!

Agreed.

I wouldn't want to see JT or JH traded but I have no problem with anyone else at this time. We need good young players and we have to build through the draft even if our past drafting hasn't been to good. That is the way to go but with a competent GM.

Even if Thomas is not a part of our long term future, we still need him to keep whoever our young QB is upright. Nothing stunts a QBs growth like getting crushed over and over.

Which is why it would be a deal that would blow the team away. I find is very difficult to see him gone by Tuesday. But I guess crazier things have happened.

I guess another element to this is now that all this stuff is out in the open, how will the players respond? Will they get pissed? Play harder knowing reps are on the line?

I hate when this stuff leaks even though it may keep us informed of what might be around the corner/ organization's mindset.

I wouldn't be shocked to find out if another team leaked Thomas' name with hopes of the Browns making him available.

Schefter or didn't happen.

Mack can take a hike.

If Thomas goes, regardless of his age and current contribution to the team, I just might cry a little.

Or Jay Glazer. He's pretty spot on.

Trade rumblings involving Browns' Joe Thomas, Alex Mack, Paul Kruger, Barkevious Mingo surface

By NATE ULRICH Published: November 1, 2015

The names of left tackle Joe Thomas, center Alex Mack and outside linebackers Paul Kruger and Barkevious Mingo have surfaced in reports about who the Browns could potentially trade before the NFL's deadline for deals at 4 p.m. Tuesday.
The Browns would likely need to be blown away to trade Thomas or Mack.

Thomas, an eight-time Pro Bowler, has said several times he wants to be in Cleveland. Thomas, 30, signed a seven-year, $80.5 million extension in 2011 and is under contract through 2018. There is no guaranteed money in his contract next season.

Mack, a two-time Pro Bowler, has a no-trade clause in his contract and would need to waive it for a trade to go through. Last year, the Browns matched a five-year, $42 million offer sheet that Mack signed with the Jacksonville Jaguars. Mack, 29, can opt out of the contract and become a free agent after this season, or he could stay and receive another $8 million guaranteed next season.

Citing unnamed sources, NFL Network reported Sunday morning the Browns have engaged in discussions about potentially trading Thomas and Mack.

Kruger may be another being shopped. On SportsCenter Sunday morning, ESPN's Adam Schefter included Kruger in a list of players available at the deadline and did not indicate he was speculating in regards to Kruger's availability.

Kruger, 29, had 11 sacks in 2014 but has only one-half this season, along with 15 tackles. For much of the year, he's found himself in a new role, playing on the strong side. Kruger is in the third year of a five-year, $40 million contract.

The Browns have made it known they're willing to trade Mingo, 25, Cleveland.com reported Sunday morning. Mingo, the sixth overall pick in the 2013 draft, has just seven sacks in his career, and his primarily responsibility is now dropping back in coverage while playing in sub packages.

Next season is the last one left on Mingo's four-year, $16.3 million contract. If he were dealt at the deadline, another team would need to pay Mingo the remainder of his base salary, about $340,000, and next year's base salary and roster bonus, about $2.6 million.

http://www.ohio.com/blogs/cleveland-brow...urface-1.637180

I was looking at Kruger's contract on Spotrac.

Among outside linebackers, he has the fourth highest cap hit.

Thanks Obama!

I just can't see that happening! Anybody else, sure...

Engaging in discussions about potentially trading a player means almost nothing in my mind.

The only ones that make sense from a contract perspective are Thomas and Kruger. As the article states, Thomas' salary isn't even guaranteed and his cap hit actually goes down in 2016. Kruger's cap hit goes down, not to mention his base salary.

I don't know what you'd get for Mack & Mingo other than thinking, for Mack, might as well get something 'cause he ain't coming back and, for Mingo, let's cut ties and hope someone thinks they can do something with him.

Still, don't know that a team will take Mack without a sign-n-trade. Does that even happen in the NFL?

I have always been quite surprised that you never get a draft pick that is anywhere close to the position they were originally drafted. For Mac, perhaps a 3-4 rounder, Mingo 5-6th.

Why would you? They are older and, most likely, more expensive. In Mack's case he is nearly a free agent.

this organization is so dysfunctional. smh.

Sick and tired of being sick and tired.

I would trade Joe Thomas.
He's one of the few assets you have to get in return perhaps a future major contributor.
He's not the difference between winning and losing.
he's a played at a high level but he's never a team leader per se.
I watched Colt McCoy get killed by James Harrison.
Joe did nothing.

Speculating (and just for fun):
- Kruger - Dallas
- Mingo - Buffalo
Mack - Seattle
-Thomas - nowhere. Perhaps Seattle (Indy?)...

Mack-Thomas to the colts?

JC

I love the leadership that Thomas has brought to the team. However, if we are in rebuilding mode (and we are) you sell aging veterans high. While Joe has competed at a high level, we have seen a slight drop in performance. We will need to fill his hole soon, why not attempt to bring in a first round pick to do it.

Now trust in Farmer to be able to replace Thomas is s a whole other topic. He'd probably draft a guy in later rounds because he doesn't "value" picking needs in the first round.

I don't see how the Colts could ever trade with us again.

For this years 2016 1st and 2nd and a 2017 1st!

LOL - T-Rich redemption? You don't think we could fool them again?

Do we really want this GM making these type of trades? Do we really want this GM drafting the players to replace those players?

Opening up holes on the roster is never a good idea. Mack I would trade. If we trade Thomas, there is just another gaping hole on the roster.

Absolutely agree. It would take way too much to replace him with equal quality (if that is even possible)...

We have a really good, really high price O Line..

And we are 2-5.

We lost to SD who was starting 3/5 of backups..

Teams with good QBs get by all the time with average and below average O Lines.

Find a QB, and we won't notice all the "holes" as much.

I agree with most of this premise, but you can't just ignore the offensive line. Luck and Wilson are getting killed this year and their teams are suffering.

There are only a few guys where the offensive line doesn't matter. Peyton Manning from earlier in his career, Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, etc. None of those guys are available.

Hell to the No. We could end up with a bunch of Dwayne Bowes and draft picks that he'll blow. He's new to the game, but you can't totally discount his track record. I just hope this isn't a last hurah to save his job.

If Mack is available, Seattle would probably be very interested since they traded Unger for Jimmy Graham and a 1st.

They also have no cap room ($1,586,521 according to Spotrac).

i see we started our own fire sale