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And its a crime when they do and can carry stiff legal penalties. Not so where they have legalized pot.

These people destroying themselves are not just doing it to themselves. After they wreck their bodies and destroy their health its the people that end up footing their bill for their healthcare. Lung cancer, COPD, emphysema, and others are all major diseases related to smoke inhalation.

Diabetes and heart disease are all avoidable through diet and exercise 95% of the time.

Sure let people do what they want so long as they sign a release that they will never accept public healthcare. I mean fair is fair right? Or course these idiot's family's will still suffer greatly but no one cares about the silent victims anyways right?

You don't even need an article (though it may make it easier). It is spelled out in the Bill itself.

Personally, I'll vote Yes on 2 and and No on 3 to force the Marijuana industry to come back with something open to everyone.

Ummmm..... 2.

Here's a good article I found with little opinion but mostly facts:

http://news.workingpartners.com/2015/09/...-about-issue-3/

10 THINGS YOUR EMPLOYEES (AS PARENTS, TAXPAYERS & VOTERS) SHOULD KNOW ABOUT ISSUE 3

(Fall 2015) Deciding whether to vote for or against Issue 3, the proposed constitutional amendment to legalize marijuana as “medicine” and for personal (aka recreational) use, is a complex issue. Unfortunately, the debate surrounding the issue is often distilled to simplistic questions such as, “Do you like weed or not?” and “Do you think people have a right to do what they want?” To cast an informed vote on Issue 3, the following are 10 things to consider before going to the polls:

Issue 3 is a proposed constitutional amendment and therefore, if passed, would change Ohio’s constitution.
Likewise, the only way to revise, alter or amend it would be through a populous vote on another ballot issue (initiated by citizens or the state legislature).

An anti-monopoly issue is also on the November ballot (Issue 2), and according to the Ohio Secretary of State’s office, if both issues pass Issue 3 would be blocked.
The official ballot text of Issue 2 states, “Anti-monopoly amendment; protects the initiative process from being used for personal economic benefit.” Issue 3 is in direct conflict with Issue 2 because it would establish a marijuana-growing monopoly. The Ohio Constitution says if two conflicting amendments on the same ballot pass, the one that gets the most votes becomes law. However, because Issue 3 is citizen-initiated the law would go into effect 30 days after the election and Issue 2, a legislature-sponsored amendment, would become law immediately. Therefore, Issue 3 would be nullified.

There is no such thing as a “prescription” for marijuana, even in states where it is legal as “medicine.”
Because marijuana is illegal at the federal level and not been cleared by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to be prescribed or sold as medicine, Issue 3 only permits a doctor to issue a “certificate” – not a prescription – to allow patients to purchase and use marijuana. Those given a certificate would not purchase it at a drug store like prescription or over-the-counter medications. (Again, because it has not been approved by the FDA). And because there is no prescription, patients will not have information about dosage, frequency, duration of use, how it should be administered (e.g., eaten, smoked, drank), any interactions with other medications, who should not take it, or what activities should be avoided while taking it (e.g., driving or other safety-sensitive tasks). Patients will be on their own to make these decisions, instead of using approved science and established medical practice.

With certification from a doctor, the law would permit people to use marijuana on the job.
Section J of the amendment states, “Nothing in this section is intended to require an employer to permit or accommodate the use, consumption, possession, transfer, display, or transportation of medical marijuana, marijuana, homegrown marijuana, marijuana-infused products or marijuana accessories in the workplace or to affect employers’ ability to restrict the use of such products by employees, except that a patient with a medical marijuana certification may self-administer the medical marijuana subject to the same conditions applied to administration of prescribed medications.”[Italics and bold added for emphasis.]

This means whoever is permitted to use prescription medications on the job – school teachers and administrators, medical professionals (e.g., nurses, surgeons), police officers, cooks, etc. –would be permitted to smoke or otherwise ingest “medical” marijuana on the job.

Issue 3 would permit the manufacture and sale of marijuana edibles
If the amendment passes, manufacturing plants could produce products containing THC (the active ingredient in marijuana that produces the high). According to a published summary of the proposed amendment, a “Marijuana Control Commission” would be charged with regulating the content and potency of the edibles and “ensure” the products are not manufactured, packaged or advertised in ways that create a substantial risk of attractiveness to children. Popular edibles in states where marijuana is legal include such items as candy bars, suckers, cotton candy, gummy bears, cookies and beverages. And the lack of specific measures currently available regarding marijuana impairment means Ohio will likely experience the same struggles other states with marijuana laws are currently dealing with concerning marijuana-infused edibles such as increased childhood exposure, acute intoxication and accidental overdoses.

The amendment would permit over 1,100 marijuana retail stores to be opened across the state (more than the combined number of Starbucks and McDonalds in Ohio).
Could one be opened in your “backyard?” It depends on whether voters in your precinct give their approval. Since the amendment does not cap the number of stores that can be put in any particular location, there could be a disproportional number of retail stores in particular areas or sections of the state compared to others. And there are lessons learned from our history with alcohol sales that cause concern when considering the possible location of marijuana stores. Research shows that increased alcohol outlet density in a given geographical area is associated with increased alcohol-related harms. Experience has taught that a high concentration of alcohol outlets leads to a variety of serious health and social consequences including violence, alcohol-impaired driving, neighborhood disruption and public nuisance activities.

The taxes collected from growing, manufacturing and selling marijuana are not likely to cover the costs associated with use.
According to Issue 3, marijuana purchased for personal use will be taxed at the retail, wholesale and manufacturing levels, while “medical” marijuana will be sold at wholesale prices (i.e., not taxed). ResponsibleOhio, the author and promoter of Issue 3, estimates that those taxes will generate $554 million in new annual tax revenue for Ohio by 2020. Comparatively, the Colorado Governor’s Office estimated they would take in $100 million in taxes, however they only generated about $53 million in personal and medical taxes in 2014. (Reports from Colorado also estimate that 40% of the marijuana consumed in the state is purchased, at a cheaper rate, on the black market.)Under Issue 3, not only would medical marijuana be available tax-free, financial assistance could be given to those in need. And it’s not fiscally sound to discuss revenue without also looking at costs. Federal and state alcohol tax revenues, for example, cover less than 10% of the estimated $185 billion in alcohol—related costs linked to health care, criminal justice and lost productivity in the workplace.

In states that have legalized marijuana, the use among kids has increased.
As illustrated in the report, The Legalization of Marijuana in Colorado the Impact, past month marijuana use among youth aged 12 – 17 is higher in states with legalized marijuana. Further, the 2014 Monitoring the Future survey reported that past month marijuana use among 8th graders in Denver, Colorado was 350% higher than the national average for youth the same age. Numerous studies illustrate problems with early use:
When marijuana use starts in adolescence, 1 out of 6 users develops an addiction to the drug.
Youth with a D average or lower were more than four times as likely to have used marijuana in the past year as youth with an average grade of A.
Youth who begin using marijuana before age 15 are three times more likely to have left school by age 16.
Even if they decrease their usage later in life, those who begin using marijuana by age 13 are more likely to report lower income as adults.
Kids who used cannabis heavily in their teens and continued through adulthood showed a permanent drop in IQ of 6- 8 points.

Marijuana is not proven to work for most illnesses that many states have approved it for.
As published in the Journal of the American Medical Association, a group of researchers examined 79 clinical trials performed on 10 conditions thought to be improved with marijuana use. Of the 10 conditions studied, only two were found to have “moderate-quality evidence” to support the claim – chronic pain and muscle stiffness related to multiple sclerosis. Four of the other conditions had “low-quality evidence” and the other four had no evidence at all. Dr. Deepak Cyril D’Souza, co-author of a related editorial about the study, suggests that “both patients and doctors should demand that the government support high-quality research to conclusively determine whether marijuana has therapeutic effects in the various conditions for which it has been currently approved.”

The groups that are in opposition of Issue 3 care about children; public health; job security and safety; and public safety.
The list is growing daily of those associations who are publically opposed to Issue 3:
Ohio Children’s Hospital Association
Ohio Chamber of Commerce
Ohio State Medical Association
Ohio Hospital Association
Ohio Nurses Association
Nationwide Children’s Hospital
Columbus Medical Association
Ohio Chapter, American Academy of Pediatrics
Fraternal Order of Police of Ohio
Ohio School Boards Association
Affiliated Construction Trades Ohio
Associated General Contractors of Ohio
Buckeye Association of School Administrators
International Union of Operating Engineers Local 18
National Organization of Black Law Enforcement
National Federation of Independent Businesses/Ohio
Ohio Council of Retail Merchants
Ohio Farm Bureau Federation
Ohio Manufacturers’ Association
Ohio Trucking Association

So who’s publically in favor of Issue 3? Obviously the investors who will own the 10 marijuana farms where marijuana could be grown under ResponsibleOhio’s plan. They are also investing in a $20 million campaign to pass the amendment – illustrative of the financial gain they expect if the amendment passes. The National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML), whose mission it is to legalize marijuana use, also supports Issue 3, but disagrees with the amendment’s limitation on commercial growers.

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I personally think we should pass this in a smarter way. As much as I think it should be legal, issue 3 is bad news. The monopoly aspect bothers me.

How can people manage to get their hands on opioid drugs so easily when I can't even buy sinus medication without my ID, fingerprints, and a blood sample?

Thank you CHS, people don't realize that.

we're consistent. we care more about people not going to jail for this crap than whoever's pockets its gonna fill.

but that shows you the mentality of the right. they care more about money, while we care more about the people.

a bunch. and guess what? that replaces the prescription drugs i have to take in order to get the same affect.

i feel WAY better physically smoking weed than i do taking all these stupid ass prescription drugs.

i know you won't get it because you're old and religious.

but CHS.... "look at da fick of da wrist"

Do you realize how hard it is to go to jail for marijuana?

A kid told my brother and a couple of other people in law enforcement about a house on his street that has pot plants growing in the back yards, and indoors, under lights.

My brother was talking to a friend of his on the Drug Enforcement Task Force, and he said that, basically, unless a person has a semi full of pot, they don't even mess with them. It just isn't worth the trouble, because the people get away with a slap on the wrist.

you realize that people are still getting raided for pot, right?

we just had somebody here in east cleveland get arrest for having a bunch of pot on him.

so i'm going to believe what i see, rather than what your cousin's sisters, uncle's wife who's friends with the DEA said.

And yet you blatantly state you smoke all the time. You think cops don't access social media? You wanna smoke, go ahead, But swish, common sense should tell you to not brag or gloat about it - or even offer it up on social media.

I wouldn't put drub users in jail I would put them in rehab for 6 months for force them to wean off of it. Their dealers though I'd give the death penalty for being the scum of the earth.

A marijuana arrest happens every 42 seconds. It is costing taxpayers billions a year for something that is so mild, unlike Alcohol which is legal. I think it is joke it is illegal and this is coming from someone that doesn't even smoke. Last time I smoke it I was in High School, I graduated in 98.

Police have bigger fish to fry than to waste time on marijuana smokers. Not to mention that the Federal Government classifies marijuana in the same class as LSD and heroin....that's a joke.

As long as Alcohol is legal I think it's stupid that marijuana is illegal. Makes no sense. It is a plant that grows in the wild and was used by indigenous people for medicine long before there was the USA.

I'm not saying legalize all drugs, heroin, cocaine, crack....those are all terrible drugs and I'd never be in favor of legalizing them. I'm not a libertarian. But marijuana.....mine as well make cigarettes, alcohol and cheeseburgers illegal then.

JMHO

So I've read up on this issue and I'm all for legalizing pot. I personally would like all drugs to be legal, safely manufactured and responsibly dispensed and taxed... but that is another discussion.

The problem here is the way this is happening. I think the individuals behind this citizens legislation are in fact creating a monopoly and putting themselves in charge of saying when that monopoly gets busted, this is ridiculous! Countering this point, I think the state government will just serve the same kind of preferential treatment up to the highest "campaign contribution" winner if they get to act, so either way it's a cartel.

With this being said, I can't help but feel it's not the right time on this. I think we are close to federal legalization and would be stupid to tie ourselves to the monopoly aspect. However, I don't feel this strongly enough to vote one way or the other so I will not be voting and let the chips fall where they may.

cops don't go looking for people with joints on social media. they use it for harder crimes and drugs.

they arrest people mainly on the street smoking/selling, which i don't do.

please stop spreading misinformation.

Ok.

I don't see how my post was misinformation, but, oh well.

Yeah, because my brother, who is a LT with the Sheriff's department, is unreliable.

Grow 4 budding plants in your house, and I bet that you can't get anyone to raid you. It's just not worth the expense.

On a side note .... I remember East Cleveland from the mid 80s, when I lived in Maple Heights. My buddy and I used to hit a bar there quite frequently.

Depends on what race you are. Look up those statistics.

Start here

sorry but i think he's unreliable.

especially since with drugs, you HAVE to consider race of the person being charged. it's all to out there for it not to be affected.

for us, it's still a huge problem. your "source" conflicts with reality.

HMMMM 95 percent of motorcycle deaths and injuries could be avoided if we just made them illegal. Or maybe they should have to sign a waiver that will never accept public healthcare if they drive a motorcycle, drive a car, own a gun, go hunting, go sky diving, don't exercise 2 hours a day seven days a week, don't get 8 hours sleep every single night, don't avoid stress.

Your just to shady looking

This guy was growing 10 plants in Streetsboro and got raided last year.

Link

(I live a few streets away and remember all of the police)

Wow, the best you can come up with against medical arguments is to go off into left field? Though high mortality activities like using a motorcycle or skydiving don't have high survival rates from accidents enough to worry about. Fewer people are hurt much less killed during hunting than people just walking down the street.

I think it would be great if healthcare providers required some weekly exercise and relaxation. People would be healthier and happier for it. 2 hours a day is a bit much though. I'd be thrilled with even 3 times a week for 30-60 minutes.

Someone else mentioned alcohol being legal should justify making all the drugs legal. I say just make alcohol illegal along with all the other harmful recreational drugs being used outside your own home. I do think what you do in the privacy of your own home is nobody else's business so long as your not putting children at risk. What you do once you get behind a 2000 pound sledgehammer of a murder weapon called a car though is a different story.

I been living out here in left field for years buddy. It's pretty comfy As far as survival rates for motorcycle accidents I have to disagree with you (I have not taken the time however to look up any stats so I could be wrong) I am also going to assume that if you approve of Insurance companies having the right to force people to exercise and to relax then you think it's ok for them to also tell you what you can and can not eat or drink? You do realize not even God puts those kind of restrictions on people.

can't wait to vote.

I'm going to burn one right in front of Arch's, house on the street, then have my sober wife drive me back home, cause i'm a responsible stoner.

I don't care who you are.....that right there is pretty funny.

I will watch as the employers of Ohio begin to systematically Fire everyone who tests positive for MJ in their systems while at work.
It is a liability issue for the company and they will take you down before they go down.

I will watch as the insurance companies refuse to cover accidents where the driver has MJ in his system and was driving under the influence, high or not and costing the offender everything he owns.

You will earn the Freedom to lose your job and everything you own unless you change the system first, before you change the legality of the weed you desire.

Hey, my house isn't on the street. (punctuation is important)

On a side note, if it's legal, it's legal. If it isn't, it isn't. Right?


Actually, as I think about it, I don't think legalizing pot means you can smoke it in public. Maybe I'm wrong?

And anyway, if you were smoking it on the road in front of my house and I saw you, I'd invite you in and offer you a beer, or coffee, or pop, or milk, or some good old ice cold well water. Depending on your choice of drink, I'd have donuts, or fire up the grill and cook some burgers, (ever have a venison burger?) or have cookies (wife makes awesome chocolate chip cookies).

If someone has never had a venison burger, they have no idea what they're missing!

About an 80-20 mix of venison and bacon. (hey, you have to have SOME fat to keep the burger together)

Or, just plain old deer loin, or backstrap. Grill it, eat it, love it.

if you're wife makes awesome chocolate chip cookies, i'd literally pay her for a batch.

my wife still can't figure it out. one time they were so bad, it blew my high and i was sober again.

but yo Arch, they should do weed the same way they do Cigs. no public places like around buildings or restaurants, or however it's set up.

40: i get the idea of jobs still not hiring people if they pop hot. that's well within their rights.

i guess my only concern is the ethics? my homeboy told me a story about his manager not wanting to hire a guy at Key Bank because he popped hot for THC, even those the manager does lines of coke.

Good enough that when she takes them out of the oven, I simply won't have one because 1 leads to 10.


And that made me laugh.

Well, if an employee is stupid enough to show up with enough thc in their system to impede their performance they deserve to get fired just like they deserve to get fired if they show up drunk.

Good point on changing the system though. How much thc can you have in your system and not be considered under the influence? Excellent question, if it passes then the people have spoken and their representatives better step it up and figure that kind of thing out.

thats going to be an issue, i think they might have that problem in colorado?

Ted, you know as well as i do that if somebody smokes on sunday, and gets into an accident on thursday, it wasn't because they were high.

however, when the drug test comes up(some states are tying to do automatic drug test for accidents) they're gonna find THC in the system.

One word-Nestle.

Yeah. What IS the level of impairment when talking about pot?

How do cops test for that?

My understanding is pot stays in your system for days, weeks? (not that you're "high", but it's traceable)

If you drink a beer and 2 hours later you get pulled over, there's no alcohol in your system. If you smoke a joint, and get pulled over, there's still thc in your system. Is that right?

If so, what's the "acceptable" limit for thc?

AND, just making it "legal" doesn't mean companies can't test for it - so what is the limit for employers to be able to fire you, or not hire you?

Just to comment on Public places...here in Portland, defining 'public' has been a bit of an issue..if I go downtown - especially at the waterfront - , there is a lot of 'public' smoking going on...there have been various events at the parks where smoking was done 'free samples' were given to skirt the selling issues. Technically, your front porch is 'public' since they can see you. Much like smoking, it seems to be not worth the effort to enforce.

smoke coming from neighbors back yards is also something I have heard about and falls under nuisance laws. Same as the smell from growing plants ... I'll say this as well - the smell from just walking around public places has risen ...

There has to be an established system in place. There are already THC Breathalyzers on the market. Don't know how accurate but I'm sure they'll be refined and laws will be passed that will be based on those accurate measurements.

We are entering new territory, gonna have to feel it out.

word. yea i feel you, definitely a problem.

weed smells is so much stronger than cigs, and it lingers. i understand parents not wanting their kids smelling that in a public park area.

the house....ugh. guess thats the part where you hope you have some cool ass neighbors.