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No trades made... Ray Farmer holding a presser. Probably way over with now though.

Darnit, I thought the presser would be about his resignation.

If you are one of the Browns players shopped, (allegedly), how do you motivate yourself for Thursday now? If the Thomas deal was never on, they shoulda come out and nailed it dead off the bat. They didn't help the rumours at all. Maybe the players mail it in from here, maybe that's the plan but less obvious than the 9ers

Riddler, the idea or thought that everybody, on every team, and in every sport is available if the price is right, is generally common knowledge. The players know this and I would expect that they recognize this as part of life in professional sports. In the business worlf, most know that you could get laid-off or fired at ant rime. If you accept this, how do you motivate yourself? You simply put the feeling aside, believe it unlikely, and move on...

I thought Pet was getting thrown under the bus when I saw Farmer's comments a week or so ago about "we should be winning games."

Check out Pet's comments from yesterday's presser:





I think the owner and the FO is going to blame Pet for this team's problems. They will say he didn't develop young talent.

Once again, I will ask them: What talent?

Many times there is resentment between the coaches and the FO.

The Coaches view themselves as the grinders; they are the ones who put in the time and commit everything to the players/team. And they view the FO as unintelligent, pompous, and ill-informed, yet they are the ones who are the "bosses."

Meanwhile, the FO has to placate to the owner at all times (they know where their bread is buttered) ... which oftentimes leads to back talking and second guessing the coaching staffs.

It's a pretty bad gig for coaches to be honest.

Noone was shopped, according to Ray. All he merely did was pickup the phone and listen.

I actually, for gory entertainment, listened to his presser and he specifically said he didn't actively shop anyone.

Basically he said he never used the term "shop".

He never said there weren't trade negotiations going on. He never said the rumors were false. He had the perfect opportunity to put this all to bed and did nothing but dance around it.

We had reports out of Denver with specifics. To act as if this didn't happen is foolish at best. No matter how hard some homers clamor.

No, I don't think they tried. If they really tried, you don't think people would have jumped? Everything has a price. The Broncos made a offer, we told them what we wanted, and they backed off.

I get that people like Joe Thomas. I like Joe Thomas, but we would be foolish to not at least listen to offers for him or anyone else.

You keep repeating "tried", that is not accurate. You make it sound as if they were the ones calling. The way it sounds, is that Denver called and asked about Thomas. The Browns basically said a couple first rounders will do it. Denver says no deal.

You can spin it anyway you want, but from everything I have read, from those actually involved, states that it was Denver who was trying to get Thomas, not us trying to trade him.

you know what i think of farmer but that might not be to far off. i do not think developing young talent is pettines strong suit.

I am wondering how anyone could still support our front office?

And I ask you:

What talent?

Do you think Gilber is going to stud out after Pet leaves?

Manziel is going to be an All Pro?

Shelton will magically be able not get ridden out of plays?

Erving will gain great strength and agility?

I know people don't like hearing this.......but, I have been saying it for awhile: I don't think there are many players on this team that any other team covets. Joe is one and we looked to trade him. Gipson is another and Farmer doesn't wanna keep him. Mack is very good and he was on the block.

But yeah......let's keep guys like Gilber and blame Pet for his issues.

And how would one know?

He's in the middle of his second year as a HC. By what criteria, what grading system and by what time-line does one use to evaluate his ability to develop young talent?

And within that, what were/are his specific failures? No one totally and completely sucks at anything. So given that, in what specific areas of developing young talent does Pettine fall short? And in what areas does he do well?

When was the last time anyone saw Mingo on a straight pass rush? 3rd and long, just in on the edge to rush the passer?

I can't say I've seen that at all this season. What is the point of drafting a pass rusher and dropping him into coverage every single down?

alot love pettine but.... i just do not see him devloping young talent or putting players in the best position to win. jmo ofcourse.

I have been thinking about that for two years. I haven't said a word about it, because the usual suspects will just say I am making excuses for him and then there will be a dozen or so posts disparaging Mingo's existence here on earthy, but yeah...........why would you never allow a pass rusher to rush the passer?

Heck, why is Kruger dropping into coverage?

And why the hell is Orchard rushing the passer. He gets stymied every time. The guy can't set the edge, can't defend the pass, and can't rush the passer, but his minutes increase.

Freaking nuts.

It is clear that Orchard is not yet ready to play, but he plays more snaps than any of our outside linebackers. Maybe he's just getting developmental reps in so he can be ready in the future. Although, we are told by the coaching staff that we will play the players that are going to put us in the best position to win. Mixed messages.

Because he can cover and can't rush....

It seems to me that the overwhelming talent on this coaching staff is putting square pegs in round holes.

<tinhat>
We have a football league here at work, and our team needs an experienced QB. Our coach contacted Farmer and offered a conditional pick in our next draft for McCown. We are waiting for a reply.

You see what this means, right? Haslam wants JFF in there at QB but Pettine will put Josh out there as long as he's conscious. So the team is trying to trade McCown!
</tinhat>

If we had been shopping JT, instead of just answering a request, don't you think we'd have had a lot more teams lining up to try and sign him and a bidding war would be on?

After a week I think we have a much more clear picture of what happened:

1. Browns trying to trade other players (Kruger, Mingo, etc.)
2. Broncos call about Joe Thomas.
3. Browns engage Broncos.
4. Browns ask for a lot.
5. Broncos willing to give a lot, just not enough.
6. Trade talks occurred.
7. No trade.
8. Deadline over.

You do you, mac. You do you.

Best post I've seen on here in a long time.

Indeed! Seems the most likely way that the events occurred...

Joe Thomas joins agent in disputing report regarding possible Broncos trade


Posted by Mike Florio on November 10, 2015, 11:29 PM EST
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On Sunday mornings during football season, there’s plenty of competition among the networks that cover the NFL. Which means that there often are what folks like Saints coach Sean Payton has dubbed “Sunday splash” reports.

One of this week’s “Sunday splash” reports came from Ian Rapoport of NFL Media, who reported that the possible trade of Browns left tackle Joe Thomas to the Broncos broke down not over the compensation to be exchanged by the teams but over whether the Broncos would guarantee all or part of the salary Thomas is due to receive in 2016 and 2017.

Agent Peter Schaffer strongly disputed the report on Sunday; on Tuesday, Thomas did the same.

“I am not sure where that report came from,” Thomas told reporters. “I can say in no uncertain terms did I ever ask the Browns for a trade, that I ever talked to them about wanting to be traded nor did any of my representatives ever talk to the Browns about wanting to be traded. From what I understand from how things went, the Browns were contacted by the Broncos, and that is where the trade [talks] came from.

“The other thing I am going to be firm and make no qualms about that I was never involved in any contract discussions with the Denver Broncos. My agent was never involved in any contract discussions with the Denver Broncos. There was never any guaranteed money discussed. I was kind of off the grid this weekend because we had some time off after the Thursday game. I was a little bit surprised to see a few texts from our lovely friends at the Browns communications department about a couple reports from this weekend.

“Apparently, all of this went down Monday or Tuesday before the trade deadline. We were in meetings getting ready for the Cincinnati Bengals. I guess I wasn’t really aware of a lot of this until after the trade deadline until I talked to Coach [Mike Pettine] after the trade deadline had passed. When I heard the report that somehow my agent was talking to the Broncos about guaranteeing more money in my contract, of course, I was not involved in them because I was in meetings. The first thing I did was contact [my agent] and ask what the deal is with this report and did you talk to the Broncos or were you involved in any way? He said I don’t know where this guy got this from. I didn’t talk to the Broncos about changing your contract if you were traded. I didn’t talk to them about guaranteeing any money. I guess from my perspective and my representation’s perspective is it was out of left field. I am not sure where it came from. Obviously, there are some agendas at play, whether it is the person that tweeted the article or tweeted the initial report or someone who gave him the information. I don’t know what they are, but that is all I can say is that it is not true.”

Thomas also disputed the report that he asked the Browns to explore trade possibilities.

Rapoport has not revisited the report in the aftermath of the comments from Schaffer and Thomas.

Just as I thought, some one is lying and it's not Joe Thomas or his agent, according to this story.

That narrows it down to Ian Rapoport being feed a story (lie) by John Elway or Ray Farmer. The only person criticized by fans and media was Farmer, who might be a bit worried about his future. Anyone think John Elway is worried about his future with the Broncos?

Text messages, trade discussions, playing hardball w/one of your best players while giving huge money to a stiff, leaked reports, replacing young players w/guys making their last stand, interference from the front office on coaching decisions......

What a great environment to work in. I wonder how all of this will affect free agency?

BTW, I'm still not convinced that it was the Broncos who contacted the Browns about trading for JT.

Ian Rapoports first tweet concerning JT said this...





I believe Farmer put out a list of players he was willing to trade before fielding phone calls. So who made the first move?

Ray Farmer hung the "For Sale" and he got responses.

And 'engaged' could mean a lot of things. For example, the Browns 'engaged' in talks after the Broncos called them to express interest and willingness to give up high draft picks.