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Agreed - he is not going to win games by throwing 30+ times... the O was in a good rhythm of running and short passes with the occasional deeper throw. You could see Johnny's confidence grow - he was looking downfield and extended plays when he needed too...then second half - if's like they said "Johnny - you're on your own'...so weird this coaching staff...

Nah, I don't think McCown will heal up enough to play next week.

He'll probably get another start.

Talking about bad comments by Pettine at the end of the half about trying to keep Manziel in the pocket, our team, not the Bengals, but us! Unbelievable. At this point I just don't think Pettine gets it.

Some of you guys are killing me with the JJF rap .. Did you hear Pet at half time ? did you see the game play calling in the second half ? Pettine and the staff are (for the 1000 time ) trying to put johnny in a box . They are IDIOTS ..

NFL Network post-game show talking about how dumb Pettine's halftime comments about staying in the pocket were. Receivers were not getting open when he stayed in the pocket. When he broke the pocket, coverage changed and opened gaps that Johnny took advantage of.

NFL Network just ripped Pettine for those comments too.

What changed from the 1st to 2nd half?

The Bengals forced Manziel to play in the pocket.

If former players that are Hall of Famers are calling you out, that should be a HUGE red flag. In all honesty, if you play Manziel, it might be the final nail in the coffin for Farmer too depending on how the team plays.

Sounds like Pettine did too.

thats even debatable. it's most likely a mixture of that plus pettine forcing him to stay in the pocket.

you don't see seattle forcing wilson to stay in the pocket.

they let that man do what he do. he's good if he scrambles and rolls out.

why on earth are we not letting manziel do what we drafted him to do?

I want to add that I want Manziel to succeed ..... but he still has a ton of rough edges to work off, and round into shape.

Right now, McCown is a far, far better QB than Manziel. He understand the game far better, and makes plays in the pocket, as an NFL QB has to. However, it may be time to develop Manziel on the field to see what we have.

It was striking to see the difference in the 1st half stats, were they showed Manziel's plays from the pocket, and from outside the pocket.

Every other team is going to try the same thing. He's got to be able to get set in the pocket and throw a sound pass to have success. The outside of the pocket stuff is great, but he can't live off of it play after play.

why play mccown?

we need manziel to grow and see if we need to draft a qb next year. we're not gonna do that playing a QB who isn't in the long term plans.

i'll never understand why people wanna play a stop gap QB on a non-playoff team.

He also is able to play in the pocket when needed.

Forcing JM to be a pocket passer is counter productive. That isn't his game. Pet and the entier coaching staff need to go.

and that took time as well.

so i'll ask again, why are we not playing to manziel's strength?

if we drafted a QB only to tell him not to do what made him a heisman winner in college, then why draft him in the first place?

thats like drafting manning and telling him to be a scrambling Qb.

McCown is going to play in the next game. He's going to have a week and a half to heal up and then he's going to play.

I think it would be a wise move to dismiss Ray Farmer, Jim'O Neil, and promote someone else to head coach, possibly Flip or another member of the coaching staff.

Biggest change - we stopped running, regardless of the pocket. You just saw the lack of intensity as well - I swear it's like they got their *sses chewed at half and they just gave up...Everyone just came out flat - exactly the same as last week...

Because we can already see that JFF is not a legit pro prospect.

I think 4th and goal at the end of the game tonight was likely Manziel's last snap as a Brown.

+1

Sam just said "Banner, Lombardi, and Farmer, if you throw them out of a 50 story building, they would go up!"

He also said, "When's the last time you've seen a jockey carry a horse over the finish line?"

It's not all or nothing, he just needs more time.

How is that? He is a more athletic Russell Wilson.

Oh no.

Did I say I wanted to play McCown?

I said that, right now, McCown is a far better QB than Manziel is. That's not debatable.

However, I also said that it might be time to let Manziel develop on the field.

The Bengals or Pettine? Pettine said in the interview at the half after Manziel threw for a TD, that he wanted Manziel to calm down and he wanted to keep him in the pocket.

Bye Pettine.

He's had a year and a half to earn the start. As much as I'd love for him to be the guy, hes not. Since the season is over, they should let him run the rest, just to be sure.

Lol, he had some drops tonight. I'll give JFF that he was screwed over by his receivers but he showed nowhere near the poise that Wilson has. Once the frustration set in and the deficit grew larger he was rushing throws and missing his receivers by a mile.

I also want to add that Manziel did do a great job of holding onto the ball when he was hit. That was a huge improvement. I don't think that he fumbled once tonight.

He's had half a year, the first year he didn't try.

As far as letting go the rest of the way, I think you'll make him worse instead of make him better. He should get more PT, but If you have a choice, I would wait till you have an easier defense to go against. I would definitely put him in for garbage time when the game is already lost as well.

Yes, he did a much better job of protecting the ball. I only saw him handle the ball like a loaf of bread once.

Wilson played backyard football his entire rookie year.

It's annoying when people misconstrue reality to make a point.

No one was freaking open, our recievers are stiffs. And having beast mode makes qbing a hell of alot more easier.

Because he didn't try? That's on him. Carr tried. Bridgewater tried. Bortles tried.

And none of that is because of the OL Wilson has versus this abortion of an OL?

True, but that doesn't mean he's hopeless. He can still wind up being a good QB.

The chances are very slim. We have the whole rest of the season to test him out, but we probably won't because the coach will start McCown.