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I think it's all moot.
I think next year we will have a new GM, new HC, new coordinators, and new QB.
The new GM and HC will report to Scheiner. And THAT will be a HUGE mistake. If a football guy isn't overseeing the football operation, there is ZERO hope. That is a fact. This is the correct and only answer.
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I think it's all moot.
I think next year we will have a new GM, new HC, new coordinators, and new QB.
The new GM and HC will report to Scheiner. Wash, rinse, repeat. And, in 2 years (if your prediction rings true), we'll be doing the same thing. Again. It's gotta work some time, right? Don't shoot the messenger.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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We are getting drives and putting points on the board so I'm not totally upset, but I have to agree about the running game.
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The Browns OC has potential, I don't know if I get rid of him unless I know the person replacing him is a definite upgrade.
Hmmm, disagree with you on that one. Playcalling has sucked for the most part. Duke Johnson being noticeably absent in the 2nd half the past two weeks after success in the first half says it all. This is just a total mess.
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I think it's all moot.
I think next year we will have a new GM, new HC, new coordinators, and new QB.
The new GM and HC will report to Scheiner. And, in 2 years (if your prediction rings true), we'll be doing the same thing. Again. It's gotta work some time, right? Not if you get it right. Eh, every 2 years or so, when we revamp everything, all we hear is "oh yeah, this is what we needed. These guys will get it done." And then, after given a year and a half, it's all "fire them." Wash, rinse, repeat. Yeah, let's just fire everyone, start over, with "better" plan, which is completely different than the current plan.............then, when the new coach and/or gm doesn't get the players they need for the new scheme after 1 year, we can fire them.
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I think it's all moot.
I think next year we will have a new GM, new HC, new coordinators, and new QB.
The new GM and HC will report to Scheiner. And THAT will be a HUGE mistake. If a football guy isn't overseeing the football operation, there is ZERO hope. That is a fact. This is the correct and only answer. It can totally work if the right people are in place.
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I think it's all moot.
I think next year we will have a new GM, new HC, new coordinators, and new QB.
The new GM and HC will report to Scheiner. And, in 2 years (if your prediction rings true), we'll be doing the same thing. Again. It's gotta work some time, right? Not if you get it right. Eh, every 2 years or so, when we revamp everything, all we hear is "oh yeah, this is what we needed. These guys will get it done." And then, after given a year and a half, it's all "fire them." Wash, rinse, repeat. Yeah, let's just fire everyone, start over, with "better" plan, which is completely different than the current plan.............then, when the new coach and/or gm doesn't get the players they need for the new scheme after 1 year, we can fire them. The ole poo on both ends of the stick conundrum.
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We are getting drives and putting points on the board so I'm not totally upset, but I have to agree about the running game. We put 10 points on the board! TEN! In the times we have been successful throughout the year, this team has turned the ball over at alarming rate and at inopportune times. My goodness, the fans are so beaten, that any semblance or glimpse of mediocrity is deemed a success.
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I think it's all moot.
I think next year we will have a new GM, new HC, new coordinators, and new QB.
The new GM and HC will report to Scheiner. And THAT will be a HUGE mistake. If a football guy isn't overseeing the football operation, there is ZERO hope. That is a fact. This is the correct and only answer. It can totally work if the right people are in place. There is where the problem lies. If you are going to blow it up, how would you do it to make certain you get the right people in place? Impartial 3rd party?
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It can totally work if the right people are in place.
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I think it's all moot.
I think next year we will have a new GM, new HC, new coordinators, and new QB.
The new GM and HC will report to Scheiner. And THAT will be a HUGE mistake. If a football guy isn't overseeing the football operation, there is ZERO hope. That is a fact. This is the correct and only answer. It can totally work if the right people are in place. There is where the problem lies. If you are going to blow it up, how would you do it to make certain you get the right people in place? Impartial 3rd party? Teams hire search firms all the time. The most recent one that comes to mind is the Milwaukee Brewers when they hired their new GM.
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It can totally work if the right people are in place.
No. Teams have been successful with a business person as the president. That person just has to allow the football people to do their job. Whether Scheiner can do that is a whole different question.
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We can hire the people that are being fired or are going to be fired from other teams. There should be many to chose from. 
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I know the answer to this crapstorm of a franchise...
It's Johnny Football time!!!
Oh wait....nevermind. *shrugs*
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I think it's all moot.
I think next year we will have a new GM, new HC, new coordinators, and new QB.
The new GM and HC will report to Scheiner. And THAT will be a HUGE mistake. If a football guy isn't overseeing the football operation, there is ZERO hope. That is a fact. This is the correct and only answer. It can totally work if the right people are in place. There is where the problem lies. If you are going to blow it up, how would you do it to make certain you get the right people in place? Impartial 3rd party? Teams hire search firms all the time. The most recent one that comes to mind is the Milwaukee Brewers when they hired their new GM. Yeah, but even if you use a 3rd party, that doesn't necessarily mean that you would listen to their recommendation. (i.e the draft where Bridgewater and Manziel were in)
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Defense was surprisingly bad tonight. Gotta get off the field on 3rd down and we couldn't do it.
For Johnny to be successful the organization needs to commit to him and that is just not gonna happen.
Which leads me to...blow it up. This organization is incompetent from top executive down to players on the field. Someone said it earlier and it's true; there is nothing to build on. No reason for hope in 2016. Not a player to build around or a coach to rally behind.
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We are getting drives and putting points on the board so I'm not totally upset, but I have to agree about the running game. We put 10 points on the board! TEN! In the times we have been successful throughout the year, this team has turned the ball over at alarming rate and at inopportune times. My goodness, the fans are so beaten, that any semblance or glimpse of mediocrity is deemed a success. Beaten fans and a continuously garbage team. And yes you are right about the mediocrity. How else could you explain any fan wanting to spend money to go see this joke of a franchise.
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Yeah, it's Johnny's fault that we lost.
Shut up.
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Shut up? Really?
I expect a more mature response out of you Vers.
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I expect a more mature response out of you Vers. You do?
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It can totally work if the right people are in place.
No. Teams have been successful with a business person as the president. That person just has to allow the football people to do their job. Whether Scheiner can do that is a whole different question. Scheiner does not have the experience or track record to warrant such a gamble. This team needs a football mind to act in the role of VP of Football Operations, similar to that of Elway in Denver. Speaking of Denver, I saw this fun fact the other week.... In the 31 years Pat Bowlen owned the Broncos the team had more Super Bowl appearances (6) than losing seasons (5). Let that sink in. It starts from the top down and so far Haslam has been a disaster.
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I have been reading that guy's posts and he is always criticizing other posters w/out talking any football.
Johnny did not lose that game and it isn't the fan's fault that we lost.
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I think it's all moot.
I think next year we will have a new GM, new HC, new coordinators, and new QB.
The new GM and HC will report to Scheiner. If the team has shown some improvement I could see a case for keeping them. But the team has gotten worse this year. There is still some time left for Pettine to show something to keep his job. You don't keep the wrong people just to keep them. And, in 2 years (if your prediction rings true), we'll be doing the same thing. Again. It's gotta work some time, right? Not if you get it right. Eh, every 2 years or so, when we revamp everything, all we hear is "oh yeah, this is what we needed. These guys will get it done." And then, after given a year and a half, it's all "fire them." Wash, rinse, repeat. Yeah, let's just fire everyone, start over, with "better" plan, which is completely different than the current plan.............then, when the new coach and/or gm doesn't get the players they need for the new scheme after 1 year, we can fire them.
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Elway had no experience running a football team prior to being hired by the Broncos. He reports to the President and CEO of the team, Joe Ellis (who is a business person and not a football man). In fact in reading Ellis' bio, he sounds a lot like Alec Scheiner. http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/staff/Joe-Ellis/0cc7962a-d3b5-447e-8641-34b02afe3bf2
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The problem isn't the structure. It's that there are no clearly defined roles. And if there are clearly defined roles, they aren't being respected. It sounds like Haslam is an enabler for Scheiner.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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The problem isn't the structure. It's that there are no clearly defined roles. And if there are clearly defined roles, they aren't being respected. It sounds like Haslam is an enabler for Scheiner. It indeed does sound like that. In the end there needs to be one person who has the final say over everything. That does not seem like the case right now.
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Oh dang it I riled up the forum sheriff again. Woe is me. Though the "shut up" comment did make me #giggle. Not quite as hard as watching the game tonight, but it is what it is. Lots of good "football" talk in there too. 
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No need for the link. Elway had 16 years in the league as a player. 6 SB appearances. He knows what it takes to build a winner. He has the business acumen as well. I don't care who he reports to on the business side. He runs the football side. Again, we need a VP of Football Ops to oversee this mess and Scheiner isn't even remotely qualified. By all means, you're entitled to your opinion, and if you believe Scheiner can be the guy, I won't begrudge you a bit.
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No need for the link. Elway had 16 years in the league as a player. 6 SB appearances. He knows what it takes to build a winner. He has the business acumen as well. I don't care who he reports to on the business side. He runs the football side. Again, we need a VP of Football Ops to oversee this mess and Scheiner isn't even remotely qualified. By all means, your entitled to your opinion, and if you believe Scheiner can be the guy, I won't begrudge you a bit. I agree that we need a new football person. Elway is the Ray Farmer of the Broncos. He reports to a business person.
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Catch the ball #18.
Our defence can't stop the pass and barely gets a pass rush. We dont blitz enough.
I thought Johnny was good even if the numbers don't reflect that.
The bengals successful challenge on JM's first down run was a downer.
Lee had a couple bad punts.
Our d sucks, Crowell ran well. I like Duke. 2-7 dammit
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Catch the ball #18.
Our defence can't stop the pass and barely gets a pass rush. We dont blitz enough.
I thought Johnny was good even if the numbers don't reflect that.
The bengals successful challenge on JM's first down run was a downer.
Lee had a couple bad punts.
Our d sucks, Crowell ran well. I like Duke. 2-7 dammit Honestly, the Browns need to upgrade the defensive talent to where they can consistently get pressure with just 4, but that's my opinion.
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If I were Haslam I'd call Pettine in tomorrow and say: " You are so fired it is unbelievable." I'd have fired Farmer right after the game.
It is time to blow it up. Top to bottom. This is another lost season. Approaching Mangini year one level of ugly. We are talent poor, coaching poor, and GM poor. This is a piss poor excuse for a football team. Paul Brown must be spinning in his grave that a team named after him is so pathetic.
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Catch the ball #18.
Our defence can't stop the pass and barely gets a pass rush. We dont blitz enough.
I thought Johnny was good even if the numbers don't reflect that.
The bengals successful challenge on JM's first down run was a downer.
Lee had a couple bad punts.
Our d sucks, Crowell ran well. I like Duke. 2-7 dammit Honestly, the Browns need to upgrade the defensive talent to where they can consistently get pressure with just 4, but that's my opinion. That takes committing to a 4 man front and drafting players accordingly. You don't take 360 pound slow as hell fat guys at 12. If Shelton gets one sack a season we'll be lucky.
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Catch the ball #18.
Our defence can't stop the pass and barely gets a pass rush. We dont blitz enough.
I thought Johnny was good even if the numbers don't reflect that.
The bengals successful challenge on JM's first down run was a downer.
Lee had a couple bad punts.
Our d sucks, Crowell ran well. I like Duke. 2-7 dammit Honestly, the Browns need to upgrade the defensive talent to where they can consistently get pressure with just 4, but that's my opinion. That takes committing to a 4 man front and drafting players accordingly. You don't take 360 pound slow as hell fat guys at 12. If Shelton gets one sack a season we'll be lucky. TBH, I actually think Shelton would be more productive in a 4-3 in all honesty. He might not get a ton of sacks, but he'd draw a hell of a lot of attention away from the DE's.
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Honestly, the Browns need to upgrade the defensive talent to where they can consistently get pressure with just 4, but that's my opinion.
How many more 1st and 2nd rounders can they spend on the defensive front? I'm a big proponent of smashmouth football, but lordy, the Browns need some skill players.
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Honestly, the Browns need to upgrade the defensive talent to where they can consistently get pressure with just 4, but that's my opinion.
How many more 1st and 2nd rounders can they spend on the defensive front? I'm a big proponent of smashmouth football, but lordy, the Browns need some skill players. Honestly, if you had a 4-3 d-line with Bryant, Bryant, Shelton and another DE, that might not be half bad.
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Honestly, if you had a 4-3 d-line with Bryant, Bryant, Shelton and another DE, that might not be half bad.
The beaten fan in me can only assume they'd never get that other DE. They'd draft one up top and one in the 6th, and they'd bring in a FA, but somehow none of them would ever manage to make it work.
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the 99 Browns would have beat the crap out of that team we put on the field in the 2nd half ... seriously
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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