DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Mr. James Arthur Haslam the Third

Okay.

Man lands on moon.

Finds that it's not made of cheese

Drinks the wine they brought anyway.

What about the crackers?

farmer is supposed to be on at 4.

link thingy

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media-center/live-press-conferences.html

Funny thing is, we are only a couple games out of the playoff race right now.

Playoffs?

So at the end of the season we hire a newly retired (maybe)Peyton Manning as President of football operations, maybe bring Bill Polian as a special consultant to the Vice President and let them do as they see fit with the GM and HC Jobs. Just for reference I went back and checked out Elways path to the presidency of the Broncos and see that he has owned a couple rstuarants and a few car dealerships as well as an arena team and no real NFL front office experience, just a smart guy with alot of football knowledge.

Haslam has tried to remain low key ever since the disaster subsided. Ever since he set himself up. He established himself as the owner who manages his franchise based on the opinion of homeless people.

Jimmy is facing the fact that his GM and HC were both hired during a time of extreme desperation and now his commitment towards "continuity" is biting him in the butt.

We have another PR disaster on the horizon.

Or, another year with Farmer and Pettine.

At this time, I vote for PR disaster.

Wait, PR disaster if and only if he has quality people locked up before he acts.

Tang my good man. That drink would be Tang.

Tang with cheese? That would be seriously gross. Hell, Tang alone is bad enough.

I know- crazy, right?

General reply. Doesn't anybody get it. It doesn't matter if this teams loses out, the best thing going into 2016 is to stick with the Coach and GM that they have.

What evidence do I have. Well they've changed the coach and Gm the last 7 (ish) times and the new guys haven't done squat.

One time, with Romeo Crennel, would be the exception, and that time they did squat too.

But the Bottom line is. and it's why I wanted to say
BRUCE DRENNAN IS WRONG. When he's on his talk show saying Pettines gone, Farmers gone, the Browns are impossible, there's no way they can win the SB in 5 years, no way in 10!

Well not with that attitude for sure. Keep the team together!

The bottom line, for me, is, ... Karlos dunlap, who is he, a Bengal pass rusher, but I didn't learn his name in 2015, but like SIX YEARS AGO. he was coming off an injury , and this year he's coming off an injury.

NObody's going to see the point yet, the point is the Bengals, made the playoffs x number of years in a row, in first place, 7-0 have a lot of players who have been in that Bengal jersey for multiple years.

The Browns don't

When I argue, why don't we have 4th year qb, or Rb, I'm not talking about the next Robert Turbin, because bottom line, like it or not, if they come from another NFL team, they still have the stink of that team on em.

What's that mean, it means they don't care about this organization, if this is another stop on their NFL career, and the coach and gm change every 1.5 years, and the
Rubins, Taylors, Dqwells, Wards, and on and on and on, keep LEAVING, you ain't never going to have a proven winner.

The best player on this offense is the only Wr they drafted and they got him from way down the list, Travis Benjamin. But he's an original Brown, hasn't played for any other NFL team, and that's what they need.

They need to keep the team together. No matter how Stupid people say you are for doing it,

You think if they happened to bring in Peyton Manning and Bill Polian that the future results would be any better than Holmgren and Heckert?

They might as well have stuck with Holmgren and Heckert, (going on) 4 YEARS AGO, and today they'd be further along and not at SQUARE ONE like they would end up being If

big IF! they could even pull that off.

Sad news is, the lateral move to another under experienced, partialy qualified, or lateral move to another over experienced, unmotivated Head guy in charge is probably all they'll end up getting.

So bite the bullet.

If I were Mr Haslem, I'd TODAY, and if not last week TODAY, re up , Farmer and Pettine, not through 2016, but through the 17-18 season that ends around Feburary 2018.

Ya that's what I argue needs to be done. As stupid as you think it sounds, we live in a Browns fans nation that is micro focused on the latest disaster of the current month, or latest euphoria of the current month, but has no long term view.
February 2018.

At least, the posts in this thread have names of new faces to bring in, and I'm glad for that, because that's the only thing that gets me, is the folks who want to Fire everybody AGAIN, all I want to know is
who else?
who else are they going to get.

Because, fire the coach to start the coaching search, as a solution, isn't a solution I can believe anymore.

Because the last two times netted Schurmer and Pettine, not anybody famous at the start of those searches.

I don't want Cribbs, and Andra Davis to be the only Browns who retired as a Brown since 99. Well, ... + very few more.

New coach = new roster, entirely from top to bottom. Good luck with that, it didn't work last time, or the time before and so on.

COMMIT, to Pettine and Farmer until Febuary 2018.

THROW LONG ought to be committed. He wanted to draft Tannehil in the 1st.

How does Jimmy fix this?

Put yourselves on the line.

Why in the world would you watch/listen to Bruce Drennan for anything? Man, he's lower on the totem pole than Tony Rizzo.

Ugh.

So true

I outlined it on another thread but simply put, either get rid of Farmer or keep him but change out those that advise him, those being the scouts.

If you keep Farmer he needs to set his ego aside and quit trying to outsmart the league.

I know the big thing now is to beat on Pettine. He's not my favorite guy right now, but I'm not ready to throw him out.

We need to expect more from our OC and DC. DC looked good last year when Pettine sat in on everything. Now that Pettine has said he's moving over to O, damned if that isn't better this year. Go figure.

I really think Pettine can be part of the solution, but tweaking needs done to the staff.. Or a wake up call.

Either way, without improved talent, we aren't going anywhere.

Step 1: Hire a Director of Football Operations (DOFO)
Talk to the sources you need to (hopefully they have NFL experience) to get the guy who will go to work.

Step 2: Develop a vision and a plan
This involves a timeline of expectations to improve the team to becoming a playoff contending team on a consistent basis. Emphasis on drafting and developing talent and keeping a nucleus of players over a period of years.

Step 3: Remove Ray Farmer as GM
Unfortunately, Ray has squandered too many quality draft picks and is in over his head. Sorry Ray. Your time is up.

Step 4: Commence the search for a GM
Hopefully, the candidate selected to be the DOFO has the necessary experience and ability to select a GM who can put the vision and plan in motion.

Step 5: Let the GM make the call on the coach
Whether it is Pettine (after having a discussion with him) or another candidate, let's make sure that BOTH GM and coach are on the same page relative to the vision and the plan.

The vision and the plan not only need to include timelines and strategies towards establishing a consistent playoff contending team, but MUST include accountability and hard work as corner stones of how EVERY player is going to handle themselves as a professional football player. If you're not prepared to work hard and do the right things both on and off the field, you won't last long in this organization.

That's where I would start. And then I would let my football guys do THEIR job. Further, I would tell the business guys to pay attention to THEIR jobs or risk losing them. Business guys grow the business. Football guys grow the team. That's it. You wanna stick your nose where it doesn't belong, you're gone. Now everyone...get to work. Thanks.

I agree with a lot of what is being said here on this topic so I don't want to be redundant but I will say that I like Pettine even though he has made some mistakes I believe he will get better with time. If they keep Farmer I think they should hire someone as a consultant to help him. He has made too many mistakes. I don't necessarily agree with keeping I'm just saying if. This team needs some help no doubt.

Good

But, #1 is where I see your big problem. Who? Who is good enough? Who is out there? Nobody.

Jimmy's issue is he has brought in the wrong people from minute one.

The only way you could ever get a top guy to show up to Berea everyday is for Jimmy to make an offer that simply could not be refused. Most of the really good guys, with common sense, are too old (really old).

Let's try this from a different angle.

If you were the Owner or GM of the Dolphins, Giants, or Titans, would you scoop up Mike Pettine (if he was available) to be your next Head Coach?

Yes or No?

Jimmy, Ray, and Mike are in over their heads.

They are out of their league.

All three are in the wrong positions.

Jimmy isn't. One doesn't need to know football to own a team.

Here's another name I heard floated by a local radio guy (Mike Trivissonno). We could talk to him without the Patriots' consent and we could hire him without having to compensate them, because it would be a promotion from Dir Player Personnel to Exec VP, Football Operations.

Nick Caserio
New England Patriots
DIRECTOR OF PLAYER PERSONNEL



Nick Caserio was named director of player personnel on Feb. 21, 2008, after serving in a number of roles for the Patriots' personnel department and coaching staff. He enters his 13th season with the Patriots in 2013 and his 11th season in player personnel. In 2007, Caserio served as the Patriots' wide receivers coach following a three-year stint as the team's director of pro personnel (2004-06).

In Caserio's 12 seasons with the club, the Patriots have qualified for the Super Bowl five times with three wins, captured 10 AFC East crowns and qualified for the playoffs in every year except in 2002 and 2008. Caserio has been instrumental in drafting, signing and developing players who have become cornerstones of one of the most successful NFL franchises of all time. In addition to the player personnel department, Caserio returned to the field in 2007 to coach the wide receivers, a season that saw the Patriots amass an undefeated regular season record and an offense break many NFL records.

Caserio joined the Patriots in June of 2001 as a personnel assistant and celebrated the Patriots' first Super Bowl title that season. During that year, his role was expanded to include film breakdown and scouting report preparation for the offensive staff. He became an offensive coaching assistant on Bill Belichick's staff in February 2002, and returned to player personnel in 2003 as an area scout prior to becoming director of pro personnel in 2004. In addition to his duties in the personnel department, Caserio handled press box responsibilities for the coaching staff on game days from 2003-06.

Caserio entered the coaching ranks as a graduate assistant at Saginaw Valley State University in 1999 and spent two seasons with the program. Following a brief time with Central Michigan as a graduate assistant in the spring of 2001, he joined the Patriots scouting department. Caserio was a standout player at John Carroll University, starting at quarterback in each of his four seasons where the team compiled a 33-7-2 record. He was a two-time captain and three-time All-Conference performer. In 1997, he helped to lead the Blue Streaks to a 10-2 record and the school's second appearance in the NCAA Division III Tournament, where it advanced to the national quarterfinals.

Caserio is a native of Lyndhurst, Ohio. He was a teammate of Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels at John Carroll. He earned his degree in finance from John Carroll and later earned his Master's of Business Administration from Saginaw Valley State. Caserio was a three-time Academic All-Conference selection at John Carroll. Nick and his wife, Kathleen, were married in June, 2009. Nick and his wife have two daughters, Whitley and Chatham.

http://www.patriots.com/team/staff/roster/nick-caserio

I'd be cool with this guy as he apparently has a glowing reputation in NFL circles.....plus he's from Cleveland's East Side

My only hesitation would be the horrible track record of those that leave BB's nest.

Please don't fire Pettine or Farmer. Pettine will get it figured out with time and Farmer is the smartest guy in the room, so he will too. If I had to fire one, it'd be Pettine. This defense is supposed to be his baby. He was gift wrapped an elite secondary PLUS a first round CB out of his wildest dreams and MP has squandered it. He hasn't made a single guy that can rush the passer, much less be a true 3-down OLB. Shelton isn't playing up to his potential. He hasn't adapted the scheme to the players whatsoever and doing so was a PROMISE HE MADE.

Not to go all scorched earth on Pettine. Again, I think he'll figure it out with time. Just saying why I like Farmer better if I had to choose.

Yeah, I thought of that too, but most (if not all) of them were from the coaching / coordinator ranks, yes? BB is known as a hands-on, controlling supervisor. I know he eats dinner while riding the stationary bike and conducting media interviews, but he's not Superman - he's gotta sleep sometime. There must be someone he counts on for help with scouting and talent evaluation. From the outside, that appears to be Caserio.

Some of the personnel people who haven't gone on to great success include Michael Lombardi, Scott Pioli, George Kokinos, Eric Mangini (when he had personnel control), Josh McDaniel (when he had personnel control), Phil Savage (debatable, maybe).

Probably the people who have had the most success is the GM of the Falcons, Thomas Dimitroff and GM of the Ravens, Ozzie Newsome.

Maybe I'm missing some, both good and bad.

Good call - I forgot all those guys - I must have killed too many brain cells last night.