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Pettine said when the trade rumors broke Sunday morning before the Cardinals game, "it was the equivalent to throwing a grenade in the locker room.''


Again. It affected the team so much that they were up thirteen points at halftime.

It is a convenient excuse for Pettine to use to explain why the team lost.

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Pettine said when the trade rumors broke Sunday morning before the Cardinals game, "it was the equivalent to throwing a grenade in the locker room.''


Again. It affected the team so much that they were up thirteen points at halftime.

It is a convenient excuse for Pettine to use to explain why the team lost.


well the excitement ended at halftime when pettine said no one was going to be traded........ rofl rofl


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well the excrement started at halftime when pettine said, "We'll get him calmed down a little bit in the second half."


Fixed it for you.


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All I read Mac was it was a rumor and the rumor did get into our Locker Room. Somebody said that Farmer went into the locker room and announced it.

FACT...Joe Thomas and the entire team found out that Farmer was trying to trade JT, in the locker room, before the Cardinals game last Sunday.

Wasn't that nice of Farmer?


What does it have to do with Farmer...Fact - Farmer wasnt trying to trade Joe Thomas. Denver called and wanted to trade for Farmer.

But now from all I have read and heard in pressers - the Hand grenade was the "RUMORS" making its way to the Locker room. It was also stated that NFL Network gets a lot of leaks. From the NFL. Why would Farmer leak it or stay it in the locker room before the game.

This is why I need to read stuff myself - sort out the REAL FACTS not what posters say are FACT.

But thanks for the info... wink


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EO...and here is this...

November 2, 2015


mac: Is this an article? No link...



32...I'm sure glad to see that the board police are checking for links.

No way would I intentionally leave the link to a story out.

I am to please...so here you are 32, link


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...the board police are checking for links. [/color]


mac: That was never my intention. I was merely interested to know whether it was an article or your own thoughts. That was all...


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Fact - Farmer wasnt trying to trade Joe Thomas. Denver called and wanted to trade for Farmer.


EO...say what?..trade for Farmer?...

EO, still have trouble admitting the truth...Farmer was trying to work out a trade to send JT to Denver..unreal, huh?... lol.. notallthere




Report: Cleveland Browns Nearly Traded LT Joe Thomas to Denver Broncos

Nov 3, 2015, 4:16p
The Cleveland Browns almost did the unthinkable -- trading LT Joe Thomas, a future Hall of Famer who has never missed a single snap -- to the Denver Broncos. We were waiting for the news all day, believing that surely, the Browns would not sell on such an elite player, especially after the terrible usage of first-round picks the team has had over the years.

With the deadline looming at 4:00 PM ET on Tuesday, at 3:51 PM ET, Adam Schefter of ESPN tweeted the following:

Adam Schefter: "Broncos racing to rework contracts to create cap room at last minute...oh boy...."
3:58 PM - 3 Nov 2015

That instantly rose the alert level for Cleveland fans, especially because head coach Mike Pettine was scheduled to speak with the media at 3:30 PM ET, but was late for his press conference. Then, at 3:59 PM ET, Dianna Russini of ESPN reported the following:


Dianna Marie Russini: "Browns & Broncos rushing to beat the NFL trade deadline that will send LT Joe Thomas & a 4th pick in '16 to Denver for a 1st/2nd in '16 "
3:59 PM - 3 Nov 2015

That's when panic ensued, including myself. I looked at the clock and shouted, "please god, let the deadline pass!" At 4:03 PM ET, Pettine emerged to the podium. As I braced for the doom-and-gloom news, Pettine said that it was his understanding that no moves were made. How do you not know definitively?

Schefter then tweeted at 4:07 PM ET that a deal didn't get done in time:

Adam Schefter: "A potential Joe-Thomas-to-Denver deal that both sides were working on up until the deadline did not get completed, per league sources."
4:07 PM - 3 Nov 2015


At 4:09 PM ET, Ian Rapoport of the NFL Network said that it wasn't a matter of time, but of compensation. It's not clear if the Browns wanted more from the Broncos than what Russini tweeted earlier, or if the Broncos thought that was too steep:

Ian Rapoport: "My understand of the Joe Thomas talks between #Broncos & #Browns is they couldn’t agree on compensation. Could’ve made it work in time."
4:09 PM - 3 Nov 2015


As far as we know, Thomas is still safe and will remain a member of the Browns moving forward. Whew -- bullet dodged!

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In the world that "someone" lives in, none of the above ever took place. Ray Farmer never talked to anyone from the Broncos about trading Joe Thomas and the Broncos never tried to clear cap space to fit JT contract under the cap.

Schefter's tweet: "Broncos racing to rework contracts to create cap room at last minute...oh boy...."

...according to "someone"...Adam Schefter is NOT TELLING THE TRUTH! None of what Schefter reported happened.

According to "someone" the Broncos never tried to clear cap space so they could fit JT's contract under the Broncos cap.

In the world that "someone" lives in, everyone else is wrong..all the NFL insiders, all the sports journalists and all the football writers got it wrong!...there were NO TALKS between the Broncos and the Browns about trading Joe Thomas..it never happened...and only "Mr Someone" knows what really happened.



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Why would Farmer leak it or stay it in the locker room before the game.


I never said that Farmer said something about trading JT, in the locker room, before the game.

I said the players found out about the trade in the locker room before the game.


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This is why I need to read stuff myself - sort out the REAL FACTS not what posters say are FACT.


Yea, right, only "Mr Someone" knows what really happened.

Farmer "was" actively trying to trade Joe Thomas to the Broncos...and time ran out.



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"Farmer "was" actively trying to trade Joe Thomas to the Broncos...and time ran out."

And rightly he should have been.
The only player on a team that would be untouchable would be a franchise QB.
If Farmer asked for the moon and the stars for Thomas,and the Broncos were willing to give those up,a good GM makes the trade.
As the article that you posted says,Denver was unwilling to meet Farmer's asking price,not that time ran out.Compensation is the word that was used.


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BCBrownie...you have the right to be "wrong".

Hall of Fame LTs do not grow on trees.

Trading away the Browns best players so Farmer can have more draft picks...is a LOSE/LOSE situation.

Think about it..


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In your zeal to bash and cast blame on Farmer,you are missing the point.
First off,I'm not a big Farmer fan.He's not performed the way I had hoped,but.
The job of the GM is to better his team.Listening to offers and talking trades would be part of that.If he could have gotten a windfall of picks for Thomas,it may have been the correct thing to do.I honestly don't know Joe's value,and neither do you.
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I have been thinking about that. But why stop at 6'5? Why not grab Tristan Thompson or better yet, Sasha Kahn. Tell them to run 5 yards and turn around. They post up. Toss it high. Unstoppable. Great for the red zone but more methodically down field. How is that stopped? How would that guy not average 50 receptions for 250 yards every game? Yes, an exaggeration but still.


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Trading away the Browns best players so Farmer can have more draft picks...is a LOSE/LOSE situation.


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Report: Joe Thomas deal broke down over guaranteed pay

Posted by Mike Florio on November 8, 2015, 8:26 AM EST



So why didn’t the Browns trade left tackle Joe Thomas to the Broncos this week? Ian Rapoport of NFL Media reports that the trade didn’t happen because Thomas wanted guaranteed pay in 2016 and 2017, but the Broncos declined to make that commitment.

Signed through 2018, Thomas is due to make $8.3 million, $8.8 million, and $8.8 million over the next three seasons, respectively.

Rapoport also reports that Thomas specifically asked the Browns to explore trade possibilities. And that will raise eyebrows in Cleveland, given that this specific news makes Thomas look like a liar.

“Certainly I would have been really crushed being traded and leaving all these guys that you work so hard with and all these coaches and the people that are in this building and these fans,” Thomas said after the trade didn’t happen. “It wasn’t until after the deadline that I realized that it was more serious than maybe just a rumor. At that point it was like, ‘Oh, interesting.'”

That explanation simply doesn’t mesh with the notion that he wanted the team to explore trade options, and that the trade with Denver didn’t happen because he wanted guaranteed money in 2016 and 2017.

Last Sunday, Thomas said he’s “not a quitter.” Added Thomas: “I want to be here. I want to finish my career here. I want to be part of the turnaround here.”

Rapoport’s report is quite the turnaround from what Thomas said. And with the Browns not playing Sunday, look for Thomas to say something about this new report.

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But according to Mr Someone...the Ray Farmer never tried to trade Joe Thomes...right EO.
Now the claim says,it was JT who requested a search for a possible trade.

I want to hear that from Joe...otherwise, sound like a CYA comment from management.

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But according to Mr Someone...the Ray Farmer never tried to trade Joe Thomes...right EO.

Your reading comprehension astounds me...I claim that Farmer did not SHOP HIM AROUND. I claim that Farmer listened and asked for more to think about it further.

Rappaport is an obvious ASS making up stuff and a mouthpiece for whatever the Bronco's (Elway) is leaking out to him. Yeah it makes them a lot more smarter not guaranteeing JT's contract....Like that had anything to do with the trade?

Did Joe T have a no trade clause?

Joe was surprised that the "RUMOR" went a bit further than what he thought? So lets see we are to believe Joe Thomas or a Bozo like Rappaport who is in this case a talking piece for the Broncos.

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So he asked for possible trade, or he didn't?

I can't fault him, just prefer not to think of Joe Thomas a liar cause he continues to keep saying he wants to be here, see the turnaround and etc etc. At this point, I couldn't possibly think a thought as it indeed turning around, or of a player of his caliber - wanting to be here either.

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Rapoport also reports that Thomas specifically asked the Browns to explore trade possibilities. And that will raise eyebrows in Cleveland, given that this specific news makes Thomas look like a liar.


Wow! What a cheap shot.

Now, all the closet Joe T haters will be out in force. Great!

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I want to hear it from Joe Thomas.


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Rapoport also reports that Thomas specifically asked the Browns to explore trade possibilities. And that will raise eyebrows in Cleveland, given that this specific news makes Thomas look like a liar.


Wow! What a cheap shot.

Now, all the closet Joe T haters will be out in force. Great!


sounds like something snake in the grass farmer would put out to try to make him look better.


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So he asked for possible trade, or he didn't?

I can't fault him, just prefer not to think of Joe Thomas a liar cause he continues to keep saying he wants to be here, see the turnaround and etc etc. At this point, I couldn't possibly think a thought as it indeed turning around, or of a player of his caliber - wanting to be here either.



I have NO reason to doubt Joe Thomas and in Mac's post, there is a quote attributed to him where he states he didn't ask for a trade.

So, I believe Joe didn't ask for anything and I also believe that Farmer didn't go looking for trades but at this time of year, you just gotta listen to everything.


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Now, all the closet Joe T haters will be out in force. Great!


Is there even such a thing, lol?? I mean, such a thing that isn't also a troll from another team?


Anyway, I don't fully buy this report as I don't fully buy anything Rappaport says.


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Agent: Trade talks never addressed Joe Thomas contract

In response to a report from NFL Media that the Browns didn’t trade left tackle Joe Thomas to the Broncos because Thomas wanted guaranteed money in 2016 and 2017, the man responsible for the contract of Joe Thomas has gone on the record to strongly deny the suggestion that Thomas would be a Bronco if the Broncos were willing to ensure that he’d be paid all or part of his base salary for the next two years.

“There’s not one truth to it,” agent Peter Schaffer told PFT by phone on Sunday morning. “The deal just didn’t happen. [The teams] couldn’t agree to compensation. . . . The word ‘guarantee’ never came up. It never got to that point.”

Arguably, a guarantee of any future pay wouldn’t have been necessary. It’s unlikely that the Broncos would have given up a first-round pick and more for a guy they’d cut after only part of one season. Besides, if the Broncos did cut Thomas, he’d become a free agent, able to sign with anyone — including the Browns. (So, basically, if a “guarantee” from the Broncos beyond 2015 would have gotten the deal done, the Broncos should have been willing to do it.)

Beyond the word “guarantee,” Schaffer says that there were no talks of any kind about the remaining three years of the contract, which pays Thomas $8.3 million in 2016, $8.8 million in 2017, and $8.8 million in 2018.

“I never asked for any re-do of the contract,” Schaffer said. “The Broncos never asked to do anything with the contract. We never asked for guaranteed money. The whole thing is made up.”

Schaffer offered this blanket assessment of the report, which included a claim that Thomas asked the Browns to explore trade options: “I can assure you 1 million percent that nothing [Rapoport is] saying is true.”

Schaffer pointed out that Rapoport didn’t contact Schaffer or Thomas for verification of the story.

“I wish that before people would put stories out they would try to confirm that there is some accuracy to it,” Schaffer said.

Schaffer added that there is accuracy to the notion that Thomas didn’t want to leave Cleveland.

“Everything Joe said about wanting to be a Brown is 100 percent true,” Schaffer said. “It was when he said it and it still is today.”

All that matter is that Thomas is still is a Brown today. Whether the team keeps him for the next three years remains to be seen. For now, Schaffer insists that Thomas doesn’t want to leave, that Thomas didn’t want to leave, and that his potential departure didn’t hinge in any way on Thomas wanting guaranteed salary beyond the current season.

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Schaffer added that there is accuracy to the notion that Thomas didn’t want to leave Cleveland.

“Everything Joe said about wanting to be a Brown is 100 percent true,” Schaffer said. “It was when he said it and it still is today.”



THIS IS INTERESTING...click on the link and read the above sentences and it reads


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Schaffer added that there is no accuracy to the notion that Thomas wanted to leave Cleveland.

“Everything Joe said about wanting to be a Brown is 100 percent true,” Schaffer said. “It was when he said it and it still is today.”


The word "no" appears before the word "accuracy"...

...kind of changes the meaning a bit.


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The writer obviously edited his work and reshaped the sentence. No conspiracy here.


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Of particular surprise to rival execs was the fact that Kruger -- who almost surely will be cut by 2016 given his high salary, decreased role and lack of interest in restructuring his deal to stay in Cleveland -- wasn't moved. The Browns would have eaten a good chunk of the roughly $4 million left on his deal, sources said, but wanted a fourth-round pick for him. They were looking for similar compensation for Mingo, a former first-round pick who will also likely be gone by next year as well. The 49ers were shopping much of their offensive and defensive lines, sources said, including left tackle Joe Staley, but did not get close on much.

For all that was made of the Broncos' supposed late rush for Browns star left tackle Joe Thomas, sources said that the sides never overcame a philosophical difference about including a 2017 first-round pick in the trade and there was no late push. In this case, however, given Thomas's play and import to the Browns, rival execs were not surprised by the cost of acquiring him.


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Schaffer added that there is accuracy to the notion that Thomas didn’t want to leave Cleveland.

“Everything Joe said about wanting to be a Brown is 100 percent true,” Schaffer said. “It was when he said it and it still is today.”



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Schaffer added that there is no accuracy to the notion that Thomas wanted to leave Cleveland.

“Everything Joe said about wanting to be a Brown is 100 percent true,” Schaffer said. “It was when he said it and it still is today.”


The word "no" appears before the word "accuracy"...

...king of changes the meaning a bit.



It would if he hadn't also removed "didn't" from in front of "want to leave Cleveland". He just swapped the negative.


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I doubt denver could get the ammo to even realistically trade for Joe. I mean even if they gave us two first for him that is in reality about the same as 2 2nd rounders while peyten is starting.


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j/c...

hmmm Joe Thomas LIAR? or Rappaport LIAR? Now that's a tough one.... rolleyesdevil

Come on obviously its Rappaport oh of course he had a source - but it sure as heck was not Joe Thomas....

And right away its that Scumbag Farmer who planted that to make Joe look bad and him good. Gee...any bias in there Peanut Butter?

Couldn't have been planted by Elway right?

Just like it was Joe Thomas refusing to take away demands of Guaranteed money??? Huh why would he even ask.
1. He doesn't have a no trade clause that would need his approval and make such a demand.
2. Who would trade for him and then cut him within 2 years considering who he is and how dependable he has been.

Gee I wonder who leaked that...I guess that was Farmer two cause it make him look so much better...oh wait it doesn't.

Who do you think had Rappaport's ear...right away its the scumbag Farmer.

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Joe Thomas is still on the squad. If farmer wanted him gone so bad, he would've been gone.

A GM is suppose to pick up the phone and listen. He didn't actively shop Thomas.

So what's the problem?


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Schaffer added that there is accuracy to the notion that Thomas didn’t want to leave Cleveland.

“Everything Joe said about wanting to be a Brown is 100 percent true,” Schaffer said. “It was when he said it and it still is today.”




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Schaffer added that there is no accuracy to the notion that Thomas wanted to leave Cleveland.

“Everything Joe said about wanting to be a Brown is 100 percent true,” Schaffer said. “It was when he said it and it still is today.”


The word "no" appears before the word "accuracy"...

...kind of changes the meaning a bit.




IN the end, it still means that Joe didn't want to leave.. What's so hard to understand

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Elway or Farmer...

I seriously doubt that Elway's worried about getting fired...

...on the other hand, the guy that tried to trade Joe Thomas....the Farm Guy, he might be a little concerned, even though he's trying to act like he isn't.

Just look what Farmer has done for the Browns and his results...nuff said.


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And right away its that Scumbag Farmer who planted that to make Joe look bad and him good. Gee...any bias in there Peanut Butter?


no bias. just reality. and you sure named him right.....


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Elway or Farmer...

I seriously doubt that Elway's worried about getting fired...

...on the other hand, the guy that tried to trade Joe Thomas....the Farm Guy, he might be a little concerned, even though he's trying to act like he isn't.

Just look what Farmer has done for the Browns and his results...nuff said.



Mac, quit trying to stir the pot. Everybody sees through your crap. Farmer didn't try to trade Thomas, and I am no fan of Farmers. He was approched about a trade. It's his job to listen.


I know you would have liked for Farmer to say Joe is untouchable, but as poorly as we are playing and as far away from being a good team as we seem to be, I'd say it's hard to say nobody is untouchable. Farmer set a high price the other team wasn't willing to meet.

Please, just stop the talk that Farmer tried to trade Joe. That isn't the case. If Farmer had wanted to trade Joe, we would have had 31 willing takers.


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All this stems from lack of trust when it comes to this Club ..

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I have been thinking about that. But why stop at 6'5? Why not grab Tristan Thompson or better yet, Sasha Kahn. Tell them to run 5 yards and turn around. They post up. Toss it high. Unstoppable. Great for the red zone but more methodically down field. How is that stopped? How would that guy not average 50 receptions for 250 yards every game? Yes, an exaggeration but still.

Indeed.. why not? Heck LeBron could probably be our best WR by the end of the week.

I don't agree with the exact strategy you are saying (that only works in Madden) but it is instrumental to see that some of the all-time great TEs were actually basketball players who were not tall enough, athletic enough, or skilled enough (in basketball) for the NBA. I'm thinking of Tony Gonzalez, Antonio Gates, and Jimmy Graham. Even Gronk was talking about his high school basketball career the other day.

I think the absolute best natural TE/WR talents who would do well in the modern NFL do gravitate towards basketball-- players can play longer with less injuries, get more money, fully guaranteed contracts, and have more star power.

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If we had traded Thomas, who would have played left tackle? Erving?

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Please, just stop the talk that Farmer tried to trade Joe. That isn't the case. If Farmer had wanted to trade Joe, we would have had 31 willing takers.


peen..since Farmer could not get it done...some seem to think it never happened...Farmer never tried to trade Joe?

I don't care who called whom, Farmer engaged in talks to trade JT and according to some reports, it went way beyond one simple call.

The bottom line, it makes no sense to begin selling off the best parts of this team so Ray Farmer can have more draft picks in 2016...it's what I call a lose-lose situation.


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Agent: Trade talks never addressed Joe Thomas contract

In response to a report from NFL Media that the Browns didn’t trade left tackle Joe Thomas to the Broncos because Thomas wanted guaranteed money in 2016 and 2017, the man responsible for the contract of Joe Thomas has gone on the record to strongly deny the suggestion that Thomas would be a Bronco if the Broncos were willing to ensure that he’d be paid all or part of his base salary for the next two years.

“There’s not one truth to it,” agent Peter Schaffer told PFT by phone on Sunday morning. “The deal just didn’t happen. [The teams] couldn’t agree to compensation. . . . The word ‘guarantee’ never came up. It never got to that point.”

Arguably, a guarantee of any future pay wouldn’t have been necessary. It’s unlikely that the Broncos would have given up a first-round pick and more for a guy they’d cut after only part of one season. Besides, if the Broncos did cut Thomas, he’d become a free agent, able to sign with anyone — including the Browns. (So, basically, if a “guarantee” from the Broncos beyond 2015 would have gotten the deal done, the Broncos should have been willing to do it.)

Beyond the word “guarantee,” Schaffer says that there were no talks of any kind about the remaining three years of the contract, which pays Thomas $8.3 million in 2016, $8.8 million in 2017, and $8.8 million in 2018.

“I never asked for any re-do of the contract,” Schaffer said. “The Broncos never asked to do anything with the contract. We never asked for guaranteed money. The whole thing is made up.”

Schaffer offered this blanket assessment of the report, which included a claim that Thomas asked the Browns to explore trade options: “I can assure you 1 million percent that nothing [Rapoport is] saying is true.”

Schaffer pointed out that Rapoport didn’t contact Schaffer or Thomas for verification of the story.

“I wish that before people would put stories out they would try to confirm that there is some accuracy to it,” Schaffer said.

Schaffer added that there is accuracy to the notion that Thomas didn’t want to leave Cleveland.

“Everything Joe said about wanting to be a Brown is 100 percent true,” Schaffer said. “It was when he said it and it still is today.”

All that matter is that Thomas is still is a Brown today. Whether the team keeps him for the next three years remains to be seen. For now, Schaffer insists that Thomas doesn’t want to leave, that Thomas didn’t want to leave, and that his potential departure didn’t hinge in any way on Thomas wanting guaranteed salary beyond the current season.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...homas-contract/


It wouldn't surprise me if the snake Farmer leaked false information to make Joe look bad.

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It wouldn't surprise me if the snake Farmer leaked false information to make Joe look bad.



vers...I said the same thing...

Farmers seat is getting a little warm.


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Either way, we didn't trade Joe and Farmer is probably done after the season.

My attitude on this whole situation is if anybody stays, it needs to be Pettine. If both stay, I can take a wait and see approch. If both get fired, I can live with that. What I don't want is for Pettine to get the axe, while Farmer remains. That would suck.


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peen...I agree, that Farmer and Pettine are not working well together and I see no sign that it will change in the future.

In Pettine's 11/3 press conference, just minutes after the trade deadline, Pettine clearly looks unhappy when asked if the Browns made any trades...
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On if the Browns made trades before the deadline:

"No."

On if the Browns were close to making any trades:

"I'll let (General Manager) Ray (Farmer) talk about it. I wasn't involved. I was in gameplan meetings."

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No doubt in my mind that Farmer is not up to the task..but hey, the guy making that decision in Cleveland is Jimmy Haslam, so there is no way to figure out what he does.



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