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.. and i know theres alot of Dawgs that are craving info on BQ ...
...and i'll be one of 'em having never seen him play....in fact after never seeing any of our draftees play.  Thanks for posting, will check this out when i have more time later....you can use that time to write a similar breakdown on Joe Thomas.  
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Also just wanted to add something else I remembered about the footwork. Brady's back leg comes up early in his throw which bleeds some power and sometimes accuracy(albeit nit picky accuracy). Now it may look like I am hounding on Brady and his footwork. That really isn't the case. In fact Brady has pretty darn good footwork. Especially as far as maneuverability in the pocket. But as I said he does have room for improvement. And NFL Network was of course comparing him to the perfect video of Russell and did not show any of Russell's bad mechanics or habits.
I see Brady to be as close to a prototype for QB as you can get. Or I should say as much of a prototype that you can hope for. Great size and athleticism, brains, workethic,. leadership, strong accurate arm. While he is not the top in every category, it is his very high ranking in all of the categories that makes him a great choice in my book.
Think of NASCAR. You don't have to win every race to lead in the points standings.....
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DiamDawg, dang....thats longer than any essey or report I did in school or my limited drunk'en days of collage, nice job....But really what dose it all mean, we can poke and we can prode but unless he does it on the field it dosent matter. Nice Job,
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Damm man ... I could have got ticks for that game and u being there would have been all i needed to push me over the top and gone ... would have been cool meeting U ... I need the $$$ ... ND's an awesome place isnt it bro???? game day there is AMAZING ... I hope all is well my friend .. any new additions to the family???? and Congrats on the USC W .. i thought of u that day and said ..somehwere hes doing a shot with a huge ass smile on his face ... good for him ..
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when i said footwork ... i meant in avoiding the rush and moving around the pocket ...
and the piece from the NFL network is HORSECRAP ... Sheffler or whatever the hell is name is had an agenda and he pushed it hard ... now i'm not saying he doesnt have sumptin in BQ's footwork that very well may be true ... matter of fact i'm sure it is true on the passes he misses ..
but bro .. he don't miss on that many ... u know how hard i am on my teams players .. when people say I'm a homer it cracks me up .. i KILL our BUMS .. and am 100% HONEST ABOUT THE OTHERS .. yet all of a sudden I'm a homer .. *L* ..
so how would i not know if BQ wasn't a very accurate passer .. u dotn thik i;d get upset and mad and remember ALL THESE BAD PASSES????
the Sugar Bowl was a JOKE ... Russell threw WAY MORE INNACURRATE PASSES than BQ did ... the very first pass he threw of the game was HORRIBLE .. but his guy was wide open so it went for a catch .. he threw a POP FLY to a guy who had no one within 10 yards of him in ANY DIRECTION ... he also threw behind 2 guys that were 10 yards behind our secondary and made them slow down to catch the ball therefore alowing them to be caught ..
teams had him rated higher for one reason and one reason only .. HE HAS A CANNON ... teams have fallen in love with GREAT ARMS .... and its KILLING THEM as they are not panning out ..
anyhow u got me off on a tangeant ..... NFL network also said he had the best workout ever .. the ESPN clips showed balls hitting the ground all over the place and on WR almost killed himself on the bicycle rack type railings that were 10 yards out of bounds he threw it so far out of bounds .. yet it was great simply because scouts were going .. WOW .. at how strong his arm was ..
oh well ... BQ's ares ... and you'll all be happy ... and i know your happy now and know what you were trying to do .. and i appreciatte it .. i am sure his footwork as u explained is the reason for his inncaurrate passes .. and he will get that corrected i am sure .... but its not like hes INNACURRATE ON ALOT OF PASSES ... thats just WRONG!!!!!!!! ....
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If it wasn't for that...The Gators wouldn't have been given a shot to win the national title because some goofball poll or voters....mostly mid-west ) said they weren't good enough and wouldn't be a good enough test. Ref....I don't know of any people here on the board who vote in the BCS poll, so i am not calling anyone here a goofball. Yes Diam.....ND is a special place to see a game. It is kind of like Wrigley Field.....just one of those places you need to go at least once to soak in the history. As to your book....A+ for effort. I don't know how balanced it is, but it doesn't really matter to me because I tend to agree with your point of view on this subject. Quinn is going to be a very good qb for us....possibly exceptional. I don't have any real concerns with his play.
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Also just wanted to add something else I remembered about the footwork. Brady's back leg comes up early in his throw which bleeds some power and sometimes accuracy(albeit nit picky accuracy). Now it may look like I am hounding on Brady and his footwork. That really isn't the case. In fact Brady has pretty darn good footwork. Especially as far as maneuverability in the pocket. But as I said he does have room for improvement. And NFL Network was of course comparing him to the perfect video of Russell and did not show any of Russell's bad mechanics or habits.
I see Brady to be as close to a prototype for QB as you can get. Or I should say as much of a prototype that you can hope for. Great size and athleticism, brains, workethic,. leadership, strong accurate arm. While he is not the top in every category, it is his very high ranking in all of the categories that makes him a great choice in my book.
Think of NASCAR. You don't have to win every race to lead in the points standings.....
Nice...Footwork...Whether on the drops or in or out of the pocket can be "Coached Up"...
I'm feelin' we have a winner here on the Lake folks...
Diam...Thx again man...I read it 3 times so far...
Let's see if Edwards shows up or not...If Quinn will work that hard it will mean ALOT of extra time with his wide-outs...Let's see if Edwards is THERE too...
Question...Did Quinn throw much in the flats to his backs???...How'd he look there???...Leading the back and all????
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Also just wanted to add something else I remembered about the footwork. Brady's back leg comes up early in his throw which bleeds some power and sometimes accuracy(albeit nit picky accuracy). Now it may look like I am hounding on Brady and his footwork. That really isn't the case. In fact Brady has pretty darn good footwork. Especially as far as maneuverability in the pocket. But as I said he does have room for improvement. And NFL Network was of course comparing him to the perfect video of Russell and did not show any of Russell's bad mechanics or habits.
I see Brady to be as close to a prototype for QB as you can get. Or I should say as much of a prototype that you can hope for. Great size and athleticism, brains, workethic,. leadership, strong accurate arm. While he is not the top in every category, it is his very high ranking in all of the categories that makes him a great choice in my book.
Think of NASCAR. You don't have to win every race to lead in the points standings.....
Nice...Footwork...Whether on the drops or in or out of the pocket can be "Coached Up"...
I'm feelin' we have a winner here on the Lake folks...
Diam...Thx again man...I read it 3 times so far...
Let's see if Edwards shows up or not...If Quinn will work that hard it will mean ALOT of extra time with his wide-outs...Let's see if Edwards is THERE too...
Question...Did Quinn throw much in the flats to his backs???...How'd he look there???...Leading the back and all????
My looks at Quinn are limited but I was watching the ND games on STO that one week and I saw him make a perfectly led pass in the flat to Walker on 3rd down that got ND the first down. I THINK it was the UCLA game but don't quote me on that.
Take that for what it's worth.
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I don't think he is inaccurate and as you stated you knew what I was trying to do...so I am pretty sure you know that I don't think that....The piece done did stand out to me some...it was interesting as to smaller things we don't always notice. And as I said, they didn't bother to show Russell's bad tendancies except to say sometimes he tries to force the ball because he has a cannon of ran arm.....Gee a QB with a cannon for an arm that tries to squeeze passes that others wouldn't....LOL...this is a new development.....(end sarcasm)
Actually seeing those things that Brady needed to work on really only solidified things for me as these are things that are incredibly minor. The things I see are small tweaks with mechanics., not big ones...not a complete overhaul....minor. Now Brady is never going to have a Brett Favre arm...even with tweaks to his mechanics.....The great thing is...he doesn't need it. He has a big arm...not Russell big...not Favre big....but plenty big enough to hit the deep out on a rope.
I still don't know how we got lucky enough to grab him....I still maintain that it was his departed and heavily loved grandfather looking over him. It is the only real explanation that makes sense. And yes I have heard all the other explanations for Minnesota and Miami....but frankly it doesn't explain WHY or HOW.....Sure they thought a certain way the explanations go...but HOW could they think this way or WHY did they think this way....LOL
The kid has a few balls that aren't exactly on the spot....name me a QB that doesn't do this. This kid is very accurate...and I know that you consider accuracy the same way I do. Accuracy is not measured by completion percentage. All completion percentage measures is how many balls are caught out of those thrown. I don't give credit for balls caught a couple inches off the floor and the stat doesn't give credit to passes on the money that were dropped. Accuracy is putting the ball where it needs to be....when it needs to be there. and Brady does that at a high percentage. And it is something that we have not had at the QB position in some time.
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I wish we could sit down and watch the games together and u could tell me where all these innacuratte throws are ... i just don't see it ... whats sto???? and do u know if there doing it again??? BCBROWNIE - Lovefest??? *LOL* ... ya ..when folks hear my name thats the first thing they think of .. LOVE ... *L* .. i gave u the details on why all but two of those teams passed ... and i can explain jax if u like .... just ask ... *LOL* at lovefest ..... bash away man .... fine by me ... i like differing views ... like i said .. the main reason i posted this was cause so many knew very little about him so i figured i could shine a little light on BQ for them .. like i said .. if u disagree .. no probs .. fire away ... just be prepared for return fire .. DnD - 3 times?? wow .. i wasn;t sure if anyone would read the whole thing once much less 3 times .. *L* .. its nice to see guys like U and Pit and alot of others getting sumptin out of this ... i actually did sumptin that hasn't pi$$ed anyone off ... well YET anyhow .. *L* .. menZa and soup don't count .. he threw to the flat alot .. we ran TONS OF SCREENS ... he threw them fine .. most of the time he was under pressure cause of the screen design and he did just fine .... wasn't 100% as he threw some to high but overal pretty good ... he didnt throw a ton of NFL prototypical passes into the flat .. but when he did he was pretty good at it ... no worries here mate ....
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I'd really like to hear your answer on my first question. If you skipped it over, go back and read it again. You'll be pleasantly surprised. You'll also enjoy my descriptions of why others passed on Quinn, your Jax story is probably exactly the same as mine.
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Why all the hate on Soup/Mensa for having opinions?  I like you watched a lot of BQ in college. I went to Coffman and "knew" some of him and his friends so I was always hoping you would do well in college/nfl. I was always impressed with his physical ability and decision making in particular. I had to go against him in the UM game but we just reamed the entire ND team on every level in that game. He seems to be judged greatly on that game alone and he really shouldn't be. I think he threw 7 INTs last year total? 3 of them came in that game alone.
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The lovefest think was a little counter punch,after your Soup and Mensa not welcome.
I don't disagree about BQ,as I said I haven't seen enough of him to form an opinion.I'm just gathering info.So many teams passing on him,leaves me a bit concerned.I read your's,and Soup's explainations.You'll have to forgive me,but I just don't buy into them.Agian,I know that not all the GMs are worthy.But,if he's as good as your portraying,one of those should have taken him.The draft is about upgrading,right?
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The Jax one came straight from Jac Del Rio's mouth on NFL network interview.
Houston swapped 1st rounders and gave up 2 second round picks for Shaub. That completely takes them out of the running. If you can't see that, then you hate BQ because there is zero reason to have 2 QBs on your roster for the price of a 1st and 2 second round picks.
For the Jets. You don't use a 2nd round pick on a back-up QB. They like Clemmons - he was an '06 round 2 pick to be the predecessor to Pennington. That's not debatable.
Miami - that's the speculation, but it came from Miami fans.
Rams - if you think 30 is old for a QB, you are wrong. Why take a QB this year in round 1 when yours is good for 5 more years and you want players to help you get to the Super Bowl now?
Remember - 23 teams passed on Marino. In reality - Miami is the only one that you can say truly "passed" on him without a sound reason (other than liking Beck better).
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I start by saying I like BQ and loved the move to get him.
And i was really hoping to like it, but there were way too many long winded statements without backing anything up with fact. numbers percentages, or links to video are fact. Not, I saw (fill in blank) on TV one time.
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Diam ... a few questions, since I didn't see many of Quinn's games ...
Is he more troubled by pressure up the middle, or do the rushers coming off the edge disrupt him more?
What throws does Quinn seem to have the most trouble making accurately?
Does he get the necessary zip on the 15-20 yard outs?
In which games in his college career did he struggle most, and what did those defenses do that most impacted his game?
How quickly does he find the hot receiver on blitzes?
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"If you can't see that, then you hate BQ"
What is your problem?
I have stated,repeatedly,that I have not formed an opinion on BQ,yet.Just because the mighty Soup and Diam love him,I should to?Sorry,I'm not geared that way.
when you start throwing around labels like that,some people believe them.Don't reply to me,and I'll respectfully do the same.
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Its really quite simple .. the QB touches the ball on every play ... that oughta end the debate right there ..
Diam...question...Why did the Browns draft Joe Thomas over Brady Quinn at #3?
The "debate" you referred to is over and Savage's pick of Joe T. was the best pick for our team, without a doubt.
I was helping my son with his basement project and we had a little TV on as we were inside and out. I heard the announcement that the Browns had taken Joe Thomas and I yelled as loud as I could, "YES!"...they finally "get it".
Football games are won in the trenches.
We went on working knowing it would be a while before the second round started.
Diam, when Quinn began to fall I told my son, wouldn't it be something if the Browns traded up and took Quinn? We both laughed, yea right, like that's gonna happen. I think the draft was at 16 at that point.
We kept checking the TV and could not believe Quinn was still on the board..it was at pick 20 at that point.
Next time we come in I hear the commentator say, there has been a trade involving Cleveland and Dallas. I knew we had traded up to get Quinn and my only question was, what did we have to give up?
After hearing the details of the trade, I said, "WOW", its about time that God smiled down on the Browns.
Diam...you obviously have followed Quinn's career closely and are armed with more knowledge of him than anyone but maybe his Dad and Savage... 
But lets be careful not to put the kid so high on a pedestal that only perfection will satisfy some.
I want to see him have to battle for the job and I won't be a bit surprised if he does not start at the beginning of the year.
The Browns have a lot going on this year with so much of the offense brand new. Chud, the offensive playbook, new players, new Oline coaches, new WRs coach, new RB coach, new TEs coach......
..........folks, it will take time for all the above to gel.
So the success of the offense will not be all about the performance of the QBs, even though the media will try to make it so.
It's been a great start to this season as the Browns have made some bold moves to bring this franchise back to respectability. Quinn and Thomas in the same draft...who would have thought it?
Diam...good read..thanks!
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"If you can't see that, then you hate BQ"
What is your problem?
I have stated,repeatedly,that I have not formed an opinion on BQ,yet.Just because the mighty Soup and Diam love him,I should to?Sorry,I'm not geared that way.
when you start throwing around labels like that,some people believe them.Don't reply to me,and I'll respectfully do the same.
I was specifically referring to the Houston situation that you brought up - it was not a slam on you at all (i truly didn't mean it to come across that way, it was meant more humorous as it's crazy to think a team who just spent 2 second rounders and swapped a first rounder on a QB would take another at number 10 in the draft) . You stated you don't "buy" what I said. My assumption is that the only one you truly don't buy is the Miami situation (which is definitely understandable and you have every right to have reservations about it). The other teams you mentioned, look back and tell me how they'd have benefitted when looking at their rosters knowing when they picked other players. I apologize again as I didn't mean it as a slam.
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Is he more troubled by pressure up the middle, or do the rushers coming off the edge disrupt him more?
hmmm .. thats one hell of a question ... wish u would have asked it before last season started and i'd have paid attention .. *L* ..
this is not a GOOD ANSWER ... I really dont have a good feel for it .. but here's what i recall ....
he seemed to get sacked more when he got pressure up the middle ...
he seemed to throw it away more affectively when it came up the middle
he seemed to make more plays both POSITIVE and NEGATIVE when it came from the edges ...
when it came from the edges he escaped pretty much almost all the time as
he has very good awareness and could either see it or feel and roll or step up out of trouble .. and he made alot of good plays when this happend ... like the winning tD pass against UCLA ... but almost evey time he made a BAD DECISION and BAD THROW it was after being flushed from the pocket from an outside rush ...
the only thing io can say for sure is the bad/good plays when rush came from the edge ... unfortunatly i just dotn' ahve a good answer on that one ..
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the deep slant down the middle to the WR's .. he threw the seem pass to the TE's REMARKABLY WELL and usually inbetween more defenders .. but the deep slant to the WR ... he didnt throw it poorly ... just not as well as the other passes ...
the deep out to the opposite hash would be the other one ... he threw alot of those out of bounds ... like he wanted to make sure it didnt get picked ... so he overcompensated to the sideline and hit one of the coaches .. *L*
those would be the two .. but he made both those throws pretty good ..
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ABSOLUTELY ... he doesnt have a rocket or a cannon or even a gun .. but he has a strong enough arm to make all the throws with no problems ...
can he do it off his back foot?? NOPE .. he has to step into it and zing it .. but he can do it with no problem .....
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his biggest struggles were against LSU, USC (sr. year), Michigan (sr. yr) and OSU in the fiesta bowl ... in those games we got way behind quickly and they sent the house .....
in close games he struggled against UCLA and Georgia Tech this year ... and they pressured him ... in college that was the only way u were going to throw him off .. hes to smart and accurate to let him sit in the pocket and let him go through his reads and make throws .. he'll kill U ...
PRESSURE PRESSURE PRESSURE was the key .....
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thats a hard one .. but he seemed to do it very quickly ... the play i described in the LSU game was AMAZING how fast he did that ... lets say it was hard to judge bcause it seemed like far to often he would go to make a quick throw and the WR wouldn't read the blitz and run the hot route ... but who really knows ....
hes a smart kid Ytown .. i would be STUNNED if he doesntr do that very well ...
i answered as best i could ... kinda vague but the best i could do ...
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Elaborating on Y's ???
What about the slants???...10 yards over the middle???
THIS is the one he better have pin point accuracy on as far as any YAC goes...
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no .. DEEP SLANTS ... 40 - 50 yards .... the 10 - 20 yard slants are no problem what so ever ... guess i should have said the deep POSTS instead of slants ... *LOL* ... sorry .... 
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Nice posts. I do not have anything pertinent to add.
314 beat me to BQ's footwork / mechanics which is the same observation the NFL network accurately showed us on video.
I.E. lifting his back foot too soon causing his throws to sail or come out weak.
I also noticed that leg hangs out there funny when he does that.
I am sure it looks like a meal for a hurt someone mentality player.
I hope it is easily correctable without throwing off the rest of this young mans game.
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read the first post...thanks. Will take it in within the boundaries that it is all College field of play and hope to soon see this transfered to the NFL field of play.
Banning posters on a thread in advance...will this start a trend
Will get to the other parts soon enough.
One thing that I have convened to you as a concern regarding BQ is his in fatuation with his body...as in Body Building.
Since you have seen him mature over the last 4 years is there a physical history that you can provide? How big he was year to year.
Have you seen any signs of Muscling the ball over the last year or so as opposed to a natural spiral?
Does he take Yoga?
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Actually mac,Savage himself explained that. To paraphrase,he said the Browns weren't ready for a franchise QB UNTILL they had a Joe Thomas. He gets it man! He knew bringing in a franchise QB without having a quality LT would minimize the odds of success. He realised that the best odds of success is to build an "environment that helps breed success". He stated that in a post draft presser but I can't find the exact quote right now. Sorry..........
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Actually mac,Savage himself explained that. To paraphrase,he said the Browns weren't ready for a franchise QB UNTILL they had a Joe Thomas.
He gets it man!
He knew bringing in a franchise QB without having a quality LT would minimize the odds of success. He realised that the best odds of success is to build an "environment that helps breed success".
He stated that in a post draft presser but I can't find the exact quote right now. Sorry..........
Pit...one thing I do like about Savage is, he does think in terms of common sense then makes common sense moves. Not all the time but a good percentage of the time.
I thought Savage did a good job of putting up a smoke screen as to what the franchises intentions were. Most draft sites had the Browns passing on Thomas.
Even if the Browns were presented with a trade down offer they could not refuse I thought they would try to get Levi Brown, the LT out of Penn State.
But if the Browns had traded down any lower than #5 slot, they would have missed Levi because he went to Zona at #5, much higher than most predicted Levi would go.
Pitt...the value of a franchise LT can not be understated. The Browns finally have theirs and can now concentrate on other needs.
The move to get Quinn was icing on the cake and a great move on a guy who should have gone in the top 5, imo.
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Is he more troubled by pressure up the middle, or do the rushers coming off the edge disrupt him more?
Up the middle...but that hurts ANY QB...I noticed a few things that have bothered me about BQ.. One that was mentioned were those deep outs to the opposite hashmark...it seemed like he either was afraid of the throw (not enough zip) or wasn't sure if the reciever could get it and go out of bounds.. The deeper post didn't seem to be a hard problem for him.. The other thing was sometimes he and his recievers looked totally out of sync..and I'm not sure if those were miscommunications or who's fault it was when the pass went one way and the reciever wasn't there. Unlike U Diam I had to see Quinn a lot because of the local TV market they have here..and I've never been a ND fan even though they've had some good players.. Bring back my memory ..after Weiss got there he was on BQ a lot but I fail to remember what it was specifically...do u remember?
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Since you have seen him mature over the last 4 years is there a physical history that you can provide? How big he was year to year.
between frosh and soph year not much at all .. he seemed to be just a growing boy ...
between soph and jr. year u noticed he was very solid and stronger ... then sr. year even more so ...
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No clue ... but i wouldnt doubt it ...
I have no clue what your talking about with the chineese stuff .. it looks fine on mine .. although i have noticed in on some of the other threads over the last day or so ... could be a board problem *shrugs shoulders* . I have no clue ..
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Diam, thanks for the insight. As always, you did a great job. In fact, you probably exceeded expectations.
I have been contemplating whether or not to voice my opinion on this thread. I feel like you would probably want me to, but then again, I'll probably say some things you won't like. However, this thread is so good........I shouldn't pass on it.
I'll give my opinions on some of the most important attributes a QB needs to have:
Brains: I think BQ is football smart. I think he understands the game and the examples you gave highlight this. His intelligence is very impressive and it is one of the most important...if not the most important...attribute a QB can have. BQ I feel really good about BQ because of this. One more thing on this..........his incredible interception ratio is a testament to how smart he is.
Accuracy: I think there are some questions on his accuracy. I saw the same thing Pete did. It was a good breakdown. He does struggle w/his footwork on occasion when setting up to pass. I have noticed it especially on the intermediate out patterns. I am not saying that he is inaccurate, but I have some concerns in this area, but I'll get to the why......in just a bit.
Leadership: I have no clue, so I will just go by what you said. As you know, I don't like to make up just to act like I know what I'm talking about.
Footwork: Timid's biggest problem except for a puny brain was that his footwork sucked and it led to improper mechanics while throwing the ball. BQ is an enigma in a way.......because sometimes his footwork is very good and other times it is pretty bad. That lead foot does indeed get out of whack at times. And I believe his accuracy problems stem from when he doesn't get his footwork right. There is another reason....but, I'll save it for now. LOL
Mobility: He has good mobility. He can roll right and left and make throws on the run. He can also move around in the pocket. I would say this is a plus
Arm strength: I think he has an NFL arm. He can thread the needle on the skinny post, splitting the safeties. That is a throw a NFL QB has to make because if you can't..........Cover 2 will kill you. I have zero problems w/his arm strength. But, then again..........I think arm strength is overrated.
I put most of those in order of importance, but I purposely left out the last two and believe me..............they are both huge. I did it because I know this is the area where you are going to get upset.
Diam, I've been saying that now-popular phrase that you never pass on a franchise QB if you don't have one for years. I know you know that, but it is my segue. *L* And, if you noticed, I never could quite bring myself to say BQ was a franchise QB before the draft. I thought and think he could be one, but there are a couple of things bothering me. They are:
Pressure and Pressure.
Pressure cooker 1: I think BQ gets a bit too frazzled in big games. He looks like he is ready to hyperventilate. That little skip he did against LSU made me LMAO. He was so wired that his mechanics weren't even in his thought process. He can improve in this area w/maturity. He is going to have to. And bro, the poor talent around him can only go so far. You have said it yourself when evaluating Frye. Well, I recognize that ND had inferior talent to LSU, USC, Ohio State, and Michigan, but he did not handle the situations very good on most occasions.
Pressure cooker # 2: I don't think he handles the rush very well. He gets flustered, gets harried, loses his mechanics, and loses his effectiveness. The Ohio State game last year was a great example of this. He completely fell apart in the face of the rush....and to answer another question by another poster on this thread.....the pressure that hurts him the most comes right up the gut.
Once again.......remember the accuracy problems I alluded to? Well, I think his footwork gets out of whack when he has been receiving some pressure during a game. And I'm not even specifically talking about that particular play, but it is like BQ sometimes resorts into sloppy mechanics even when he isn't under pressure in a game where he has been pressured.
Now.......I fully realize that this type of pressure hurts most QBs. But, the really good ones know how to compensate. They remain calm in the eye of the storm. BQ hasn't shown me that ability and it is my biggest concern. And the reason why is that all NFL QBs face tremendous pressure, unless they are playing the Browns, of course. *L*
I'm not sure if this can be taught or if he can improve much in this area.......and it is my greatest fear. Because you know what bro? And you are going to hear it here first.............if he can't handle the rush, then Brown's fans are constantly going to either say...or hear......depending on which camp you are in............that the kid is taking a beating and no QB could succeed in the face of such pressure. In other words........excuse city. And bro.........I know you have a pet saying, but the reality of the matter is this............Excuses are for losers. Yep, even more than Stats are for losers. You think about that.
One ray of hope.............unlike Timid.......BQ is really smart. He knows offense. He can read a defense very well. He can even read coverages. Those are things Timid could never do. So............BQ has a shot at overcoming this weakness of dealing w/the rush. You see.........he has a chance because he should be able to make quicker decisions. But, it's going to take time, because as you correctly noted, the speed of the NFL game is leaps and bounds above the college game and the coverages are much more complex. And if anyone else besides Diam is still reading this............there is a difference between reading coverages and reading defenses. Reading coverages is really hard and it is something many QBs never learn how to do.
I hope the fans are patient w/this kid. I think he should NOT play as a rookie. I think he needs to sit and learn. I think he needs to work on his mechanics and learn as much as he can about our playbook, opposing defenses and their coverages as he can. And if he does play.............don't expect miracles right off the bat.
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I can't get enough of this detailed discussion. You Pete and Diam have all hit on very good points for me to ponder when I see him in action. If I get a chance to watch some of his past games I will concentrate on these different aspects of his game.
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Bring back my memory ..after Weiss got there he was on BQ a lot but I fail to remember what it was specifically...do u remember?
Sorry it took so long ... got busy yesterday ....
the main thing he got on him for was because he was just being Wies ... he did the same thing to every QB he ever had .. his philosophy is to make practice so hard the games are easy .... and he suceeds very well at that part ... ... his main "rib" at BQ was "do u want to be a 50% passer forever" ...... he said that multiple times every practice and drill they ran especially when the ball hit the ground ...
Now there were 3 things that went public that Charlie worked with him on ...
1. how he lined up under center ... his hands were to high and he adjusted his feet slightly that made his hands lower and at a better angle to release his hips to get into his drops ....
2. his footwork on his drops was very sloppy ....
3. his front foot (like what Pete and Vers talked about) and its angle and distance on passes ... he used to throw all his passes like that ... i think he completed about 55% of his passes his soph yr.(STATS ARE FOR LOSERS!!!!! ... SO i DOTN KNOW MANY OF THEM .. .. ) ..... that was because of his bad footwork and the fact he got his ass kicked and was running for his life on most plays ...
SO THE BIG RIBBING WAS COMPLETION % and the 3 main things he worked with him on were all drop/throwing mechanics ....
HOPE THAT HELPS ...
Vers ... I gotta run ... i'll have time for u later this afternoon or tonight .... if not definetly tommorow ...
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Way to nail it Bud!!
Hope that this provides some insight to those on here with many questions needing an answer...
I wanted BQ last year and have taken every opportunity to nitpick his skillset when the chance arose thanks to my t.v. coverage...
The worst game I saw him play on T.V. was the scUM game this year... His whole line got dominated and it seemed to throw off his timing and for most of the game, he looked lost... I wasn't concerned about it though because this game didn't reflect his skillset but rather the dominance that scUM's defense portayed against them...
You hit this point Diam but I thought it was worth repeating... The fact that he releases the ball before the receivers breaks and delivers it to the spot so they can catch it in stride... That is a GLARING difference between him and #9 and with a healthy winslow and BE, this should improve their numbers tremendously once the playbook is learned... Say it with me now... YAC BABY!!!
IMHO, he will not start day one despite him being the better QB on the roster... For one, the coach wants to nurture him along slower... I can truly see him starting by week 6 though... The O-line will be gelled, he will have some reps in with the 2nd team and furthermore, he should have a better grasp on the playbook...
I have mentioned time and time again just how tickled I am to have him and Joe and even today, I STILL cannot fathom that we did it...
There will be bumps and growing pains with both him and Joe but in the longterm, we are going to be some HAPPY Browns fans for years to come...
BQ has the tools and potential to be the best QB we have had since Otto... Doesn't make it so but I see it being a real possibility...
Great years are ahead of us and it is nice to see our fortunes changing in front of our eyes...
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I feel like you would probably want me to, but then again, I'll probably say some things you won't like.
*LOL* ... when we agree its boring, when we disagree we open the door for learning .. for U and I and those that have open minds .. why would or when have u ever stay off a thread cause you'll say things I wont like??? PLEASE DON'T EVER EVEN CONSIDER THAT AGAIN ..
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Brains: I think BQ is football smart. I think he understands the game and the examples you gave highlight this. His intelligence is very impressive and it is one of the most important...if not the most important...attribute a QB can have. BQ I feel really good about BQ because of this. One more thing on this..........his incredible interception ratio is a testament to how smart he is.
Accuracy: I think there are some questions on his accuracy. I saw the same thing Pete did. It was a good breakdown. He does struggle w/his footwork on occasion when setting up to pass. I have noticed it especially on the intermediate out patterns. I am not saying that he is inaccurate, but I have some concerns in this area, but I'll get to the why......in just a bit.
I agree the two MOST IMPORTANT attributes a QB can have are brains/accuracy ... if a QB cant figure out where to throw it NOTHING ELSE MATTERS ... and then if he can't do it accurately knowing where to throw it becomes USELESS ..
AFTER brains and accuracy the other things start to decide how good a QB u can be ..
we'll get back to the footwork when the time is right ...
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Leadership: I have no clue, so I will just go by what you said. As you know, I don't like to make up just to act like I know what I'm talking about.
I can 100% GAURANTEE U that u will ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS KID AS A LEADER .... u just need to observe him for a year or two and as u watch and hear things ... it'll be ALL POSITIVE in this area ... you'll see ..
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I did it because I know this is the area where you are going to get upset.
I'm not going to get upset Vers .. we've disagreed on a million things before ... and we both have been right a fair amount of time .. well KNOWLEDGE is HUGE here .. and i know i am WAY MORE KNOWLEDGABLE on BQ than u are .. so I wont get upset at all ... I'll just disagree or maybe surprise u and agree and state my case and move on .. not going to get upset ... after you've watched him for 2 or 3 years and have the KNOWLEDGE I DO OF HIM .. then it will be a much more level discussion .. at least in my eyes ...
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Pressure cooker 1: I think BQ gets a bit too frazzled in big games. He looks like he is ready to hyperventilate. That little skip he did against LSU made me LMAO. He was so wired that his mechanics weren't even in his thought process. He can improve in this area w/maturity. He is going to have to. And bro, the poor talent around him can only go so far. You have said it yourself when evaluating Frye. Well, I recognize that ND had inferior talent to LSU, USC, Ohio State, and Michigan, but he did not handle the situations very good on most occasions.
yes Vers he was way to AMPED up at the start of the LSU and OSU games in the past two bowl seasons .. NO DOUBT ... he then CALMED RIGHT DOWN and didn't play near as bad as most make it out to be ..
In the OSU game last year we got our asses kicked ... and u guys brought the proverbial kitchen sink (a fact that didn't escape many eyes as almost every team we played this year did the same thing .. ) .. we were OUTMANNED at almost every position on both sides of the ball .. u guys brought a ton of heat when u rushed 4 .. when u brought more it was a race to BQ ... and U had the best D player in the country stalking him on every play ..
the LSU game is well documented above ..at the end of the day he put his WR'S in a POSITION TO MAKE PLAYS ... they dropped the ball ... thats not his fault ...
ad again the Talent level was NIGHT AND DAY ... LSU had 4 players taken in rnd 1 this year .. and next year will be more of the same ..
was he to PUMPED?? ABSOLUTELY .. but its not like he went out there and was so hyped he was missing wide open WR's and throwing the ball over the place ....
and the TALENT LEVEL was HUGE Vers .. BQ in the USC and LSU game this year put his WR's in a position to make plays ... thats all u can ask QB to do .. give his WR's a CHANCE .. he did that in those two games ..
against USC we had 5 drops in the first 3 series ... 5 DROPS VERS in 3 series .. and at the end of USC's third series the score was 21 – 3 .... WTF was BQ suppose to do??? the sad part?? the DROPS CONTINUED through the rest of the half ... we had 8 drops at half Vers ..
against Michigan this year we were OVERWHELMED .. they MANHANDLED US at every position ... they were just a MUCH BETTER/ MUCH MORE PHYSICAL FOOTBALL TEAM THAN WE WERE ... now ... BQ did not play a good game here .. out of the 4 big games everyone wants to kill him for .. this is the one where he didn't play well .. even though we were outmatched and got our butts whooped and he was under tremendous pressure .. he had a chance to make some plays he didn't make ..
and he was fine when the game started .. just like he was against USC ..
Vers at the end of the day he handled 3 of the 4 situations as well as could be expected ..
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Pressure cooker # 2: I don't think he handles the rush very well. He gets flustered, gets harried, loses his mechanics, and loses his effectiveness. The Ohio State game last year was a great example of this. He completely fell apart in the face of the rush
Vers .. this is where the limited times watching really hurts ... not sure how to prioritize these so in no particular order ...
1. OSU OVERWHELMED US .. him included ... what QB EVER in college wouldnt have broken down mechanically in that game??? i'm not sure what u expect from the kid but he is just 22 years old and has ALOT TO LEARN and alot of MATURING TO DO ....
what QB in college would ever be ready for that???
2. this year he faced PRESSURE in almost every game (not sure why but Penn State sat back for some reason .. *LOL*) ... and he handled it MUCH MUCH BETTER ... he LEARNED from what happend last year ..
was he perfect?? NOPE ... does he still ahve alot to learn?? YUP .. but the important thing is he did improve ..
again ... i'm not sure what u expect from the kid .. hes GOT ALONG WAYS TO GO ..
quite honestly ... the fact were DIGGIN THIS DEEP for flaws tells u just how GOOD HE IS ...
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Once again.......remember the accuracy problems I alluded to? Well, I think his footwork gets out of whack when he has been receiving some pressure during a game. And I'm not even specifically talking about that particular play, but it is like BQ sometimes resorts into sloppy mechanics even when he isn't under pressure in a game where he has been pressured.
Sure he does Vers ... just like ALL QB'S DO to some extent .. i can tell u this ..
HE IMPROVED on that this year as the year went on ... and hes not as bad as u want to make him out to be at it ..
and this will continue to improve with time ... why am i sure of this ..
cause of his WORK ETHIC, FOOTBALL SMARTS AND SKILL SET ... he IMPROVES when he has weaknesses .. and this is just another one of those .. give him experience and he will improve ... he all ready has shown quite a bit ..
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Now.......I fully realize that this type of pressure hurts most QBs. But, the really good ones know how to compensate.
coming out of college they know how to compesate??? as jr's in college with INFERIOR TALENT they know how to compensate???
he needs to work on this Vers ... just like EVERY OTHER QB BEFORE HIM HAD TO ..
i really don't know how to say this Vers ... I cant think of a good way ... but here goes .. the TALENT around U affects u in so many ways .. and when the QB is under pressure it it becomes even more important ... a good example is from the Sugar Bowl ..
the few times when Russell was pressured ... he'd step up in the pocket or roll out and have guy break WIDE OPEN downfield of be running free to the sideline he was going to ... u remember that??? that NEVER happend for BQ ... his WR's didn't have the speed or athelic ability to create space or get open while improvising .. Stovall was turned into a TE he is so slow and McKnight didn't even get drafted ..
also the GOOD TEAMS could put BQ under a ton of pressure with 4 guys rushing ... that creates PROBLEMS ... U did int he Fiesta Bowl .. Michigan did it this year ... as did LSU .. THATS TOUGH ..
this year he threw the ball away ALOT MORE and ALOT SOONER in bad pressure situations .. he also made some GREAT READS/THROWS when teams blitzed (see the LSU example) ...
he still "struggled" with it .. but its nothing thats alarming to me ..
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They remain calm in the eye of the storm. BQ hasn't shown me that ability and it is my biggest concern.
U just havent seen enough of him vers ... and rememebr when u saw him we were always way OVERMATCHED IN TALENT .. and WAY BEHIND .. i saw him remain very calm in the eye of the storm on many occasions ..
and look .. i'm not saying hes great at this and it doesn't need work .. I'm just saying its not as bad as u think it is ... cause U only saw him limited times and when u did the sky was literally falling .. *L*
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if he can't handle the rush, then Brown's fans are constantly going to either say...or hear......depending on which camp you are in............that the kid is taking a beating and no QB could succeed in the face of such pressure
*LOL* ... now your blowing it way out of proportion .. he is no wheres near as bad at handling the rush as u wanna make it out to be ,,,
he'll BE FINE ... u act like hes a chicken running around with his head chopped off ...
he'll be fine .. especially when he has REAL WEAPONS around him .. if he has KW at his disposal and 1 other WR (hopefully Brey) teams will pay for BLITZING him .... that i know ...
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Excuses are for losers. Yep, even more than Stats are for losers. You think about that.
well thats splittin hairs ... but i dont' make excuses and feel sorry for those that do .. bad way to go through life ... and i could care less if others want to make excuses for BQ .. I WONT... your way to concerned with others, especailly the ones that have no clue ..
the talent difference in college isnt an EXCUSE VERS ... its a FACT ... go look at the last two drafts for OSU .. then go look at this years draft for Michigan, LSU and USC and then project our to next year ..
hell vers one of the 4 guys we MAY GET DRAFTED NEXT YEAR will be drafted as a RB .. he started at LB for us last year ... how bad is that??? *LOL* ..
Michigan had 1 or 2 in rnd 1 this yr. and 4 on day 1 .... next year they'll ahve 3 or 4 in rnd 1 possibly .. the DE and LT that stood, henne and hart and i'm sure theres more i don't know about ..
well if Ziby goes in rnd 1 we will have a total of 2 rnd 1 choices in 3 years .. and day 1 picks will be about 6 or 7 in 3 years ... your D alone had ALMOST THAT many rnd 1 picks last year .. *LOL* ..
his talent was comparable to what Timid had around him his first two years .. and it wasnt an excuse for timid at that point .. it was a FACT ...
He'll be fine Vers ... hes not near as bad at handling the rush as u wanna make it out to be ... NOT NEAR AS BAD ...
if u saw him more u would know ..... and in a few tears u will have seen hin alot more and will be happy .... you'll see bro ....
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Good post. To me it seems that much of what you posted is "what I have seen him do" and until folks see what he does on the field wearing the orange & brown I am not sure you are going to sway any opinions by posting long lists of your own.
I agree with you on much of what you raised especially the work ethic, preparation, accuracy & arm strength.
The funny thing to me is that Quinn is an Ohio boy who wanted the play for the Browns. Bernie Kosar was the same way yet with nowhere near the physical skills as Brady, yet people were more than willing to accept the price we paid for him (#1 pick in the Supp draft). Folks are nervous because there is a lot riding on BQ. If he doesnt get it done the franchise is shambles.There is really nothing more that can be said about Quinn until he takes the field as the starter.
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and until folks see what he does on the field wearing the orange & brown I am not sure you are going to sway any opinions by posting long lists of your own.
i wasn't trying to sway anyones opinions ... i just wanted to give folks who don't know alot about him more info ... thats all i wanted to do here ...
put some info out ...
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...but it is like BQ sometimes resorts into sloppy mechanics even when he isn't under pressure in a game where he has been pressured.
I think Frye did the same kinda thing last year.
Maybe or maybe not his mechanics, but it did seem that in games when he'd been pressured a lot, he got into a rhythm of expecting pressure and acting on it even when pressure was not forthcoming.
I think often it threw-off his timing, took attention away from reading coverages and generally made him less effective.
Somehow I think that may be a natural reaction to a load of pressure.
I think having confidence in your protection makes you a better quarterback. But it can't be a false confidence like BD wanted Garcia to have when he called him "skittish" in the pocket. If the protection is good most of the time I do think a QB will develop that confidence in it and there will be times when he is surprised because he became over confident.
But when the protection is lacking most of the time, how else is a guy to react?
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And if anyone else besides Diam is still reading this............there is a difference between reading coverages and reading defenses. Reading coverages is really hard and it is something many QBs never learn how to do.
I would much apprecitate an explanation of the difference between reading coverages and reading defenses. Only for the sake of wanting to learn.
I have an inkling that reading coverages is post snap thus knowing what the coverage is going to be based on the initial movement of the defense. All of them at once. A lot to take in quickly.
Speed of the game and the higher level of sophistication of the defenses are the two things I think Quinn will struggle most with in the beginning. That goes for anybody playing quarterback. Hopefully with Quinn's smarts, (reportedly Charlie has plenty of smarts as well), he'll come through quickly enough to build his confidence level to the point where he can consistantly improve after the initial shock wears off.
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i wasn't trying to sway anyones opinions ... i just wanted to give folks who don't know alot about him more info ... thats all i wanted to do here ...
put some info out ...
You do a good job of that.
I wasnt trying to be inflammatory. It just seems that after what we have all been through with this team, even when things fall our way as they did during the draft and getting BQ, people are just leary of getting to high on the browns. This is the first year since we came back in 99 that I feel we have a "team" a real fully flegded team.
I am not sure peoples uncertainty about Quinn has to do with him being a domer as much as it has to do with him being so hyped in college. Big hype has netted little results for this team since 99. The proof will be on the field.
I cant wait for TC to start.
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