DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum How many wins does Mike Pettine need to keep his job?

Is it that he can't be as productive as McCown or is it that he doesn't do it the same way McCown does?

Pettine, in his comments the other day when Manziel was talking his height, Pettine said that Brees and Wilson are about the same height and have success from the pocket.. well when they both first started, they both spent a lot of time outside the pocket, they both ran more, they both improvised more.. then they both learned to be better inside the pocket... (they both also came from more pocket oriented college programs).. So I think Pettine looks at where Wilson and Brees are later in their careers and wonders why Manziel can't be there NOW...

You could tell in the Steelers game, Manziel was standing in the pocket, even at times when it was obvious his instincts were telling him to run... he's trying to do what Pettine wants him to do.. but it's not going to change in a week or two or even a full season of sitting and watching...

Good observation.

How did you know was responding to an article? Yeah... you have me on ignore.

Kruger also made a similar comment. It is beginning to be a trend. Players are getting frustrated. Probaly with O'Neil, mostly.

i believe you are reading it correctly but that you are missing certain segments of the article. the author is pretty clear that he seems to have knowledge that Williams has been making this complaint behind closed doors for a while. Where or how he came by that information I have no idea.... People on this board have been making the exact same complaint, seeing the exact same things.

Is there some extrapolation of his comments, some conjecture on what it means and why he's saying it? Yes there is... is it inside the realm of possibility that it means exactly what this author is saying it means.. yea, that's entirely possible too.

https://twitter.com/H_Grove/status/666364615270494212

No. I don't think it is spin. Not only has Williams been vocal but so has Kruger. Maybe this is what Pettine's quote is alluding to.

I don't think this is the end the world or anything, but for the past few weeks, the players have become more public.

Why do you believe a blogger has knowledge that Williams has been making that point behind closed doors? The guy is a fraud.

People see what they wanna see.

Go ahead and fire Pet. Things will dramatically improve. Honest.

Firing the GM and not the coach almost always works, right? The coach never becomes a lame duck who the GM wants to replace because he didn't pick him, right?

https://twitter.com/NateUlrichABJ/status/682609603650048001

Everyone under the bus!



https://twitter.com/NateUlrichABJ/status/682612524835942400

I don't think that is throwing folks under the bus; I think it's realistic. Just because he's saying it publicly doesn't mean it's wrong.

Heck, if anything, it shows that he knows there is a problem with his staff.

Throwing someone under the bus is when you're deflecting blame from yourself to someone that doesn't deserve it. There are parts of his staff that definitely deserve a ton of blame.

I agree. I was mostly joking.



https://twitter.com/NateUlrichABJ/status/682616773422678016

Great game plans every week! He's proud!

j/c:

Doug Dieken Says Heckert And Arians Would Have Worked

Audio: http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2015/12/31/doug-dieken-says-heckert-and-arians-would-have-worked/

Quickly touches on it in the first minute or so. Said the idea was kicked around until Banner rolled into town.

kicked around by who lmao? holgrem and the drunken nutcase lol?

Drunken Nutcase
Cocaine Cowboy

I'm sure you hear this all the time, but you sound so intelligent and reasonable!

just calling a spade a spade... kicked around by who lmao? or are you not going to answer?

I think most are aware of both personal issues that compelled you to resort to silly name calling. I'm not denying what has happened, rather, pointing out your need to create silly names and repeat them over and over again.

I'm sure an intelligent and reasonable person like yourself understands that, correct?

kicked around by who lmao? or are you not going to answer?

Kicked around by H&H if they fired Shurmer after the 2012 season. Then Haslem bought the team...hired Banner....and Banner cleaned house. I think that is how the story went down, no?

thats about it... if you think holmgren was going to fire shurmer... aand wasnt shurm freinds with the drunk from his philly days?

I think it was very possible Shurmur was about to be fired after two bad seasons, but yes, it is speculation from Doug Dieken about who he thinks could have been successful in Cleveland-- hence the very title of my post. Hell, we've seen one coach fired after one season and another after two. A short coaching tenure like that is no surprise in this town. I feel like there are a few analysts/former players/ media personalities that gain info about the Browns. Considering Dieken embodies all three of those traits, I don't consider him an unreliable means of information. Add to the fact the guy isn't paid to provide information yet is very close to the team gives me reason to believe he doesn't tend to make stuff up. I'm not implying he has all the information but, at the same time, he's not calling Eric Wright a rapist.

With that said, even if Arians came to Cleveland does not mean he'd have the same success he is having now. Perhaps, I just like pointing out that when "The Druken Nut" continues to get recognition for what he did here, you flip your lid and are usually the first person to respond to that post.

And speaking of "Drunken Nuts" I hope everyone has a good New Years! Just don't be Armonty Bryant or Tom Heckert and please grab an Uber...or a cab, if those things still exist.

3 out of four first round bust

3 out of 6 2nd round bust

2 out of 3 3rd round bust

i give him all the credit he deserves lmao

Holmgren drafted T-Rich, Weeden in the first round. Holmgren is even quoted as much and one report indicated he overruled Heckert on both. He is also quoted for drafting McCoy. It's one of my main complaints why regime after regime, we don't allow a GM full control of the draft. It's hurt us so many time before.

Heckert drafted/UDFA signed 6 Pro Bowlers plus Schwartz, Skrine, Sheard, Hughes, & Winn.

Phil Taylor is the one I wish didn't get injured often. In the 43, I think he could've be special but don't discredit anyone for thinking he was a bust. He just wasn't able to produce consistently because of said injuries.

yea... he is so good at draft that denver won't let him near it lmao...

teams are just beating on his door to be their GM. pffft

You mean the team that hired him, signed TJ Ward, and wanted to trade for Joe Thomas? Nah, Im sure he no zero influence at all.

Is he the final decision maker? No, he is not. That would be Elway.

It should be noted that are team put up a 3-13 record after we lost more than a few Heckert players. Heckert did blow 3 1st round picks though, but he got a lot of starters in rounds 2-5. Probably one of our better GM's since the return.

Arians would have done whatever it took to get Palmer here. There would have been a large portion of the fanbase that would have been against such a move.

Plus, he would have gone all out to beat the Steelers.

It would have made too much sense and brought too much success to have been a realistic opportunity for Cleveland.

psssttt During his 23-year NFL career, Heckert, 46, has been a part of 15 postseason campaigns, nine division titles and seven conference championship game appearances. He led an NFL personnel department in each of his last 12 seasons before joining the Broncos as his teams combined to draft or acquire 15 Pro Bowl players during that time.

If that's a guy you consider a drunken nutcase then we need more drunken nut cases around here.

Psssttttt..........the Browns won 14 games and 34 while he was in Cleveland. They went 9 and 23 the two years after he left them w/so much {cough} talent.

Sorry, but I don't think we need MORE of that around here.

and the Browns did what before he got here, and what after he left? Maybe the Problems are with the Browns not with Tom.

I added some facts. That's all.

heckert is so good denver won't let him scout collage players lmao

This fit best in this thread...

Pettine indicates he’ll fire assistants, if he’s not fired himself

Posted by Michael David Smith on January 1, 2016, 10:13 AM EST
AP

Browns coach Mike Pettine knows some coaches are going to lose their jobs over this failure of a season. He’s just not sure if he’ll be one of them.

Pettine isn’t willing to divulge what he’s discussed with Browns owner Jimmy Haslam, but it’s safe to say that if Haslam doesn’t fire Pettine, Pettine will need to fire some of his assistants.

“Those discussions will remain between Jimmy and I,” Pettine said, via Cleveland.com. “Will there likely be some changes? If I were to stay here, it would be hard to justify keeping the staff completely together, and there likely would have to be some changes made, but I won’t get into specifics.”

The coaches likely to be fired are on the defensive side of the ball. Pettine specifically mentioned that he thinks offensive coordinator John DeFilippo has done a good job. But Pettine said he’s frustrated with the play of the defense.

“We’re not going to make excuses. It is a source of frustration, disappointment and something that myself and the defensive staff show up here every day to work and get corrected. Some areas we’ve gotten better and others we haven’t,” Pettine said.

We’ll likely find out on Monday whether Pettine will return for the 2016 season. But whether Pettine is back or not, changes are coming in Cleveland.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...partner=ya5nbcs

Pettine sure doesnt sound like someone who is confident they are going to keep their job...I thought for sure he was going to be shown the door....after reading that article...something is telling me maybe he might make it...with the changes he was referencing.

Idk how I feel about that...I cant stand Pettine...but Farmer shouldve been fired...and now I have to think if there is a chance for Pettine to stay...hmm..feels a little disappointing to think that...well guess we will find out soon enouigh.

and I added some food for thought

Pettine is part of the problem not the solution

To me, he sounds like a guy who has had certain things laid out that he would have to do to keep his job, and has agreed to them.

We'll see in a few days.