DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Mr. James Arthur Haslam the Third

You were the lone wolf????? Seriously?

Who do you think came up w/the nickname, Junior? LOL

I bet you think it was you, right? I mean, you tell us all the time how you were the first to support X, you were the first to disown Y, you were the first for this, that and the other thing.

You were the first in your school to do X, principal hates you cause of Y

Dang, you're awesome, it's just that no one else sees that in you.

Mr. Haslam, how would you feel if on November 30, Monday Night Football Verses the Ravens your stadium was void of Browns fans? Would you care? Would it make a difference? Would it embarrass the franchise any more than already has been done? Would it make a statement? I'm tempted to find out as many other season ticket holders plan to do.

Like I said

"Lone Wolf"

Versatile, you were probably pouting, posting on another board, or suspended.

I don't pout. I came up w/that name on the original board.

Wow! I just saw arch's response. The stalker continues his crusade. Anyone else think it's weird?

I agree. I would give the guy a 5 year deal with total control over football operations. Anything that has to do with who is on the team, or the manner in which the team plays would go through Saban, or whoever he delegates that responsibility.

I'm 63 and I'd take on that challenge if I knew anything about football.

j/c:

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So, you're saying that dawgtalkers came out and took a stand against Junior and I was just one of a few, or one of many?

I have a pretty good memory.

Not the way I remember it at all.

I think Saban would want full control and also coach the team.

And yes, I would be willing to give him all of that.

Me too.

My hope is that there are a very small, tight nit, number of top agents who have been notified that Jimmy is willing to pay whatever it will take for a top GM. Or, for a top coach who can handle complete control.

If he isn't operating behind the scenes right now, we are screwed.

Giants
Colts
Miami
Tennessee
Detroit
Saints?
Philly?
(one possible between Rams, Chargers, Texans, Jax, SF, Wash, Tampa?)

Timing is everything.

Dont' want to be negative but, I think we're screwed.

Think outside the box. There are coaches out there, we just need to find them. I think the lower level college coaches are good, but they never get a shot.

I didn't get in to the age or where he was from, but said I would give him total control over everything football.

I don't disagree. One does have to consider that even staying inside the box poses risk. Leaving increases said risk.


If it was all that easy to identify, all teams would have great coaches.

I think the safe choice is easy to explain. Most teams just hire the people think they should hire. There are literally lists of people who get interviews put out by the press and those are, basically, the guys who get interviewed.

No doubt there is a fraternity of coaches...

I would not fire Pet for yet another unproven coach. That is what we normally do. Most of our head coaches had no experience at being a NFL head coach before.

I think we should fire Farmer. There is no doubt in my mind about that. He's done an awful job of acquiring talent.

I would be all for bringing in Saban. He's not Mike Holmgren looking for a big payday. This guy has the fire burning from deep w/in himself.

If we can't land him, I think it would be best just to stick w/who we have. I don't want to lose the continuity thing w/another question mark.

Now, there might be another superstar out there other than Saban. I have named Saban because there are rumors that he would like to have complete control of an NFL organization. He also coached in Cleveland, so there is a bit of a tie. I just don't know of any other "superstars" that might be available.

Heck, I don't know if Saban is available. Odds are that he wouldn't come here, but I do think that we should investigate.

Please don't bring in yet another question mark and think that "it will work this time."

I don't really want to see Pet go, though I do think he needs to make changes on D and bring in a coordinator and be willing to go with said coordinators D. I do think that if we get beat up by the Steelers, come Monday morning, a head or two might roll as we head in to the bye week.

I wouldn't really want a unproven coach either. That is why I said about going out of the box that it brings more risk. I wouldn't rule it out 100%, but it would have to be a real blockbuster type hire. I wouldn't want to take a Dabo Sweeney simply because he is the college flavor of the month, as an example.

Yeah, firing Pet only to replace him with either a person that would be another rookie HC or a retread not named Belichick wouldn't really make a whole lotta sense.

So who does that leave?

Saban is about it in the upper echelon of coaches that meet basic criteria, 1. has NFL Head coaching experience and 2. wouldn't be considered a retread in my eyes anyway and 3. is extremely successful as a college coach, 4. Has prior ties to the Browns (not necessary but a nice touch)

I really can't think of another guy out there right now that would excite me.

One place to look is current assistants in the NFL. I don't know enough about that group of people unless they were once Retread NFL Head Coaches.

Agreed that Farmer needs to go. His misses have a much bigger impact on this team than his hits do. I do not see any hope for improvement from him either.

But I think that replacing Farmer means Pet is gone also. I am OK with keeping Pet, but don't new GMs want their own coach? Or can we find one that truly wants to work with Pet (as opposed to kowtowing to management to keep whatever coach we happen to have)?

If losing Pet is the cost of getting rid of Farmer, then I can live with it. I think it's worth it.

I really like Saban. He's the type who can handle all the football operations thus eliminating discord. But I doubt anything like that will happen given our current QB situation. It just doesn't give him much to work with. Even if you ignore the rest of the roster.

I think as long as Farmer's here then drafting and player acquisition will be a 3-5 man "consensus" in which no one takes responsibility leading to no one being accountable.

I hate, hate, hate to blow this up. But I'm at a loss in what to do. I think Pettine should stay. But if he does I think that would automatically allow Farmer to keep his job too. I could give up Pettine for a guy like Saban or even Harbaugh, (whih would also eliminate Farmer), but I don't see anyone worth his salt wanting the job.

FWIW, Nick Saban is still hated in Miami for how he did the Dolphins.

Yeah, I'm not fully versed on that but I remember it being quite quizzical. I thought he did that wrong. Maybe he really didn't like the NFL as a HC or maybe he didn't like the Fish after he had a taste of it.

He really didn't even last two full seasons in Miami before leaving them. There's no way that I buy into the official line of he & 'Bama not talking until after the Dolphins season ended.

I want no part of a head coach that's going to run to the next pasture as soon as he can.

I disagree. He was coming off successful seasons at LSU including a national championship and made the jump to the Dolphins... found out being a HC in the NFL was not what he expected, a premier job at Alabama came open and he left... if he decided to go to the NFL again, I would fully expect him to go in with his eyes much more wide open and a much greater commitment to making it work.

And, if he did come here and left after 2 years.. I'd call that pretty much normal for us.

I don't see how what he did at LSU matters... the dude ran into adversity and bailed for easier pastures at the first opportunity.

Here, in Cleveland of all places where sports are exceptionally tough, why on Earth would you want someone with that fragile of a character running your sports team??

Here is what I know of the situation in Miami.

He was promised a lot of say in the roster. That did not transpire. Saban was emphatic about the Dolphins obtaining a top-flight qb. Brees became available and Saban wanted him in the worst way. Management did not live up to their promise of him having a huge say in the roster, they passed on Brees and the Drew went to New Orleans instead. Saban was disgusted and left the team because he knew they would never win w/out a franchise qb. I would say the Dolphins should have listened to him.

Look, I have been saying that we will have to give him complete control and I doubt even that will be enough to entice him to leave Alabama for the hell-hole that is Cleveland. He isn't coming here if he is only named head coach. LMAO.......no way in the world. Can you imagine Saban working for a dolt like Farmer? It won't happen.

I am willing to give him whatever he wants. He is one of the very few true superstars. Belichick and he are very similar. We had the latter and the idiot fans and media crucified him because he benched a washed-up qb. Unreal.

A lot of our fans, you included, will hate Saban. He will receive tremendous criticism as he changes the culture of the not just the team, but the organization. And that is why he needs full control and TIME. It's not an easy fix. This organization is dysfunctional. Something drastic needs to happen to fix this dumpster fire.

Firing Pet and replacing him w/another unproven coach is not going to help at all. In fact, it will probably just set us back even further.

Of course, this is all just my opinion..........but, I feel pretty strongly about it.....if that means anything to anyone.

I'd like to agree with you, but since you won't see this, what's the point?

I agree. If Haslam continues the expectation someone can make this team a winner in two years, well, I wish you luck and sanity!

It's a pipe dream thinking anyone can walk into a Berea and make this team a winner in two.

And if Haslam thinks that Farmer is all of a sudden going to become a talent evaluator, than we are even more doomed.

Not sure where the 2 year thing came from? Did I say that?

Pettine and Farmer been here two years. If he fires, his expectation is two years.

Sorry Vers I totally disagree Haslam can convince Nick Saban, at age 64, to leave Alabama to resurrect Browns into a winning franchise. If he really wanted to coach in the NFL, my thinking is he look elsewhere seeking a much less stressful environment.

Farmer lacking! Haslam blows it up. You'll see similar another rookie. I think I have better chance winning power ball!

Well, you are probably right. I will tell you this...........there have been discussions.