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Greek journalist Yannis Koutsomitis tweets that the country’s Ministry of Public Order and Citizen Protection has confirmed that the terrorist found with a Syrian passport on his person was, “registered as refugee on Leros island in October.”
At least one was a French National who went to Syria for training and returned to France.

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And i want you to understand that we created ISIS, and have consistently backed the wrong group in the middle east since AT LEAST the 80's.

every single time we enter the middle east, the place somehow ends up in a worse spot afterwards.


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To be fair - we never back the WRONG group.
We always back the group that is counter to the group that is friendly with the people we are not friendly with.

What we haven't done is stick with any one group once we sided with them. We back them and use them while they serve our purposes, then abandon them to whatever fate blows on the wind while we move our focus to the next group. They aren't groups to support in our view, but tools & chess pieces to be used and moved in a larger global game.

It just so happens that chess pieces can bite your fingers, it seems.


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And i want you to understand that we created ISIS, and have consistently backed the wrong group in the middle east since AT LEAST the 80's.

every single time we enter the middle east, the place somehow ends up in a worse spot afterwards.


None of that has any bearing on whether we should take in tens of thousands of Syrian refugees who cannot be vetted.

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Teams of specialists are currently working with our leader in an attempt to get him to the point where he can at least say "Muslim Extremists".

The Terrorists are winning if you just look at how much the world has changed since New York and watch how much things change after Paris.

That JV team is kicking Varsity butt which is a real shame for the free world.


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Funny how hundreds of people in Lebanon recently got killed by terrorists, but there are no hash tags or pouring out of concern for the victims or their families.

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I was wondering about this. First i heard about it was today.

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ISIS leader in Libya likely killed in US airstrike, official says

Pentagon press secretary Peter Cook said the U.S. strike targeted Abu Nabil, also known as Wissam Najm Abd Zayd al Zubaydi, an Iraqi national who was a longtime al-Qaida operative and the senior Islamic State leader in Libya. This was the first airstrike against an Islamic State leader in Libya and comes on the heels of a U.S. and British operation late last week in Syria that officials believe likely killed Islamic State militant Mohammed Emwazi. Emwazi was a Kuwaiti-born British citizen known as "Jihadi John," who appeared in several videos depicting the beheadings of U.S. and Western hostages.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/11/14/...s/?intcmp=hpbt3

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING


The Terrorists are winning if you just look at how much the world has changed since New York and watch how much things change after Paris.



Of course terrorists are winning. Look at the resources they have to put out to do their thing, versus what we have to do to counter that, in both offense and defense.

They killed 3k+ people in new york. How many trillions have we spent in response? Even if we're "winning" did we really "win"?

Since then we've lost over 6k soldiers, and how many thousands or millions of civilians have died?

I'm not saying we shouldn't have gone after Al Queda, but I am saying, we can't "Win" a war against an ideology.


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The only reason we can't win is because we lack the Will to do what it takes to win.

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And how do you beat an ideology/ type of warfare? Especially when it takes as few as 1 person to plan and carry out an act of terrorism.

Inquiring minds want to know. Nuking the middle east it not an option that actually works if you're going to suggest that.


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And how do you beat an ideology/ type of warfare? Especially when it takes as few as 1 person to plan and carry out an act of terrorism.

Inquiring minds want to know. Nuking the middle east it not an option that actually works if you're going to suggest that.


Agreed.

It's not that the u.s. doesn't have the will. It's not that other countries don't have the will.

It's simply we don't know what to do to stop it. How do you stop it? Give in to their demands, whatever those demands may be on any given day? Can't do that, cause the terrorists will see it as a sign to demand more.

Bomb them? We'd kill more innocents than bad guys, thus giving the bad guys motivation to recruit, and attack more.



One thing we could do is stop the refugees from coming here. But, that's a stop gap approach. (and I'm not saying all refugees, or even 10% of them - even 1% of them - are intent on doing terrorist acts.) It doesn't take many though, does it?

So what do we do? Sit idly by and let them terrorize? We lose.

Bomb the countries they come from? We lose.

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Originally Posted By: YepTheBrownsRule
And how do you beat an ideology/ type of warfare? Especially when it takes as few as 1 person to plan and carry out an act of terrorism.

Inquiring minds want to know. Nuking the middle east it not an option that actually works if you're going to suggest that.


Well I certainly don't think surrendering is a good idea.

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Well, after you guys are done saying what we can't do, won't do and shouldn't do, and after they have killed enough innocent people around the world, perhaps then you will have the will to do what needs to be done to bring an end to ISIS.

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Who's surrendering? You feel there's a way to win this. I want to know what you think will do that when one person with bad intentions easily beats you...


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So what do we do? Sit idly by and let them terrorize? We lose.

Bomb the countries they come from? We lose.


Go balls to the wall, the U.S and European Countries go in and kick there asses..

Innocent people are freakin dying anyways.. These terrorists know we are soft and care... I'm tired of punks pissing on us and other countries...

The people living over there who are innocent are being terrorized..Them bastards don't care ..why should we..

There will never be peace as long as they live..it is what it is..Show them the consequences of their actions.

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And how do you beat an ideology/ type of warfare? Especially when it takes as few as 1 person to plan and carry out an act of terrorism.

Inquiring minds want to know. Nuking the middle east it not an option that actually works if you're going to suggest that.

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So what do we do? Sit idly by and let them terrorize? We lose.

Bomb the countries they come from? We lose.


Exactly. we're in a no win situation. The terrorists ARE winning no matter how many of the bad guys we kill.

Bomb a terrorist from the sky and take out innocents? How many terrorists just got created in the name of revenge?

Leave them alone for long enough and they'll have a big coordinated attack against you.

Its a war that will never end until people get educated or one side (and it won't be and shouldn't be us) is the one to say, you know what, this has gone on long enough (and you know they hold a grudge for a very, very long time).

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Why are they picking on France?

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Why are they picking on France?

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Maybe because they are bullies and the French aren't going to fight back..

Have you ever had a bully pick on you ? and if so did he/she stop because you asked them nicely to stop...

No.. in order to stop a bully..you got to knock them on their ass !

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Why are they picking on France?


Soft target?

Ease of getting in?

I don't know.

Germany may be next. Maybe Italy, or England. Maybe the u.s.

how do we stop it? I have some ideas, but they're just kneejerk ideas.

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Why are they picking on France?


This from September..

France Launches Air Strikes against ISIS training Base

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France said on Sunday it launched its first air strikes in Syria, destroying an Islamic State training camp in the east of the country to prevent the group from carrying out attacks against French interests and to protect Syrian civilians.

France had until now only struck Islamic State targets in neighboring Iraq, carrying out just 3 percent of air strikes in an offensive on the group by a U.S.-led coalition. France has also provided limited logistical support to Syrian rebels it considers moderate, including Kurds.

"France struck in Syria this morning an Islamic State training camp which threatened the security of our country," French President Francois Hollande told reporters on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly in New York.

He said six fighter jets had destroyed their targets near Deir ez-Zor and that more operations could take place in coming weeks to protect France and Syrian civilians.

France had feared strikes in Syria could be counter-productive and could strengthen President Bashar al-Assad, who has been fighting a rebellion against his rule since 2011.

However, France was shaken by a series of deadly attacks by Islamist militants this year, including the killing of 12 people at the office of the satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo in January.

In addition, Paris has become alarmed by Islamic State gains in northern Syria and the possibility of France being sidelined in negotiations to reach a political solution in Syria.

A French diplomatic source said Paris needed to be one of the "hitters" in Syria -- those taking direct military action -- to legitimately take part in any negotiations for a political solution to the conflict.

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry is trying to launch a new initiative for a political solution in Syria during meetings in New York this week, diplomats said.

Hollande said he would support those efforts and France would hold bilateral meetings throughout the week with key players in the Syria crisis before a summit with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Paris on Friday.

"France doesn't sideline anybody, but the future of Syria cannot pass through President Bashar al-Assad," he said.

Two French diplomatic sources said the idea of creating a buffer zone in northern Syria was one issue that could be discussed over the coming days.

"It's one of the parameters being looked at," one source said.

French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said on Saturday Paris was still seeking clarification on Russia's military build-up in Syria, adding that if it went beyond defending its interests in the country it could complicate any political transition.

The United States is leading two different coalitions carrying out air strikes in Iraq and Syria, but Hollande repeated that for the moment Paris would make its decisions to strike in Syria independently, albeit in coordination with Washington.

France was ready to join air strikes on military installations in Syria in 2013 in response to a massive chemical weapon attack before U.S. President Barack Obama turned against it after Assad agreed to abandon his chemical arsenal. That left French officials cautious of U.S. intentions in Syria.


Isis seems to have had France in their cross-hairs for a while..maybe this was retaliation ... plus when the train attack was foiled.


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Yep.. and probably the right ones... Funny thing Arch.. Most are afraid to just say kill them... I say kill them.

Want to know why ? because thats what they say about us..

Once more American families start getting butchered by these bastards.. I hope people start getting pissed and do something besides talk ...

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So the French are fighting back..I was wrong..and good for them...

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We are not fighting one person with bad intentions, we are fighting ISIS.

First know your enemy.

We have vastly underestimated ISIS and it shows as they strike wherever they wish around the world. France has been on high alert since the attack on Charlie Hebdo and still ISIS struck them right in their heart.

ISIS sees themselves as a Nation. They have leaders who are appointed by Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. They are appointed all the way down to the local level. Their entire focus and goal is to kill the non-believer wherever he may be on the planet. They are focused on this goal and it is what they live and die for.

ISIS has now reached the point where like any attacking Nation, they are sending out well trained and well equipped Expeditionary Forces who are given their plans from headquarters in Syria.

Our response has been to target and eliminate their leadership. Within a week, they have replaced that dead leader with a new leader, looking to make a name for himself.
Our goal has been to disrupt their leadership and to contain them so they are no longer conquering large swaths of land.

First know your enemy.





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Why are they picking on France?


Strict gun control.


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People with nothing to live for will find something to die for.

The only way to stop the spread of terrorism coming from the Middle East is to raise the standard of living for those living there. As long as the people there live in absolute destitution and poverty, with no hope that even their great grandkids have any chance of escaping it, they will place very little value on their lives.

We tried to do this with getting rid of Saddam in Iraq ..... by setting up the oil profits to go to the people, to provide for their needs ..... and it was a valid goal ..... except corruption is as prevalent as religion in the region.

The problem is so huge that I don't know how to even begin to fix it.


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The only way to stop the spread of terrorism coming from the Middle East is to raise the standard of living for those living there. As long as the people there live in absolute destitution and poverty, with no hope that even their great grandkids have any chance of escaping it, they will place very little value on their lives.


Interesting thought.. But I'm pretty sure the terrorists could care less.. And Isn't their choice to live that way ? I always thought that was part of the religious belief.

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We are not fighting one person with bad intentions, we are fighting ISIS.

First know your enemy.

We have vastly underestimated ISIS and it shows as they strike wherever they wish around the world. France has been on high alert since the attack on Charlie Hebdo and still ISIS struck them right in their heart.

ISIS sees themselves as a Nation. They have leaders who are appointed by Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. They are appointed all the way down to the local level. Their entire focus and goal is to kill the non-believer wherever he may be on the planet. They are focused on this goal and it is what they live and die for.

ISIS has now reached the point where like any attacking Nation, they are sending out well trained and well equipped Expeditionary Forces who are given their plans from headquarters in Syria.

Our response has been to target and eliminate their leadership. Within a week, they have replaced that dead leader with a new leader, looking to make a name for himself.
Our goal has been to disrupt their leadership and to contain them so they are no longer conquering large swaths of land.

First know your enemy.


Question on this - If they see themselves as a nation, per se, what is their end goal? Recognition as a sovereign state? Possession of additional land? Death to infidels is not an end game...even constant terror is not an end game..


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They declared themselves a caliphate. So they want every other muslem and middle east country (and infidels) to worship their leader or die.

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It pretty much starts and stops with that ... each person on their own determining what their life's legacy will be.

This is a problem that Governments and laws cannot stop...

this is a problem people solve by not becoming it...IMHO


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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
We are not fighting one person with bad intentions, we are fighting ISIS.

First know your enemy.

We have vastly underestimated ISIS and it shows as they strike wherever they wish around the world. France has been on high alert since the attack on Charlie Hebdo and still ISIS struck them right in their heart.

ISIS sees themselves as a Nation. They have leaders who are appointed by Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. They are appointed all the way down to the local level. Their entire focus and goal is to kill the non-believer wherever he may be on the planet. They are focused on this goal and it is what they live and die for.

ISIS has now reached the point where like any attacking Nation, they are sending out well trained and well equipped Expeditionary Forces who are given their plans from headquarters in Syria.

Our response has been to target and eliminate their leadership. Within a week, they have replaced that dead leader with a new leader, looking to make a name for himself.
Our goal has been to disrupt their leadership and to contain them so they are no longer conquering large swaths of land.

First know your enemy.






Right, so we fight ISIS, and then what? What vacuum do we create for another group to step into? ISIS rose from a power vacuum that we created by getting involved where we didn't belong. We aren't fighting "one" guy, but yet we are. Over there, we can try to take them out as an organization. It takes one extermist wanting to do his own thing elsewhere to attack us & or someone else.

Its wack-a-mole and we will never be at a loss of moles to wack. In the end, we're probably not any safer no matter who we take out. It doesn't mean we don't try, but we also have to understand there are consequences to trying.


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A couple of things that stuck out to me from last nights coverage.

They don't think they got all the attackers in France. That was a lot of damage done if it was only 3 teams with 7 or 8 total actors. They are very concerned about an additional attack.

In the countries of Germany, England and France the authorities think that there are between 185 and about 700 radicals in each of the different countries who they are worried about. Somebody on CNN was repeating last night about their conversation with a French official that said that they have to commit about 25 people to track every one on their watch list and to follow them, their chatter, their travels, their acquaintances, etc. and they just don't have the resources. They need help with the intelligence part of all the threats.

Another big thing and this may play out soon in another European country. They do not believe at this time that there was any communication with orders from back home to this group in France. They may have gotten their training and sent back to Paris and acted out locally. They cant even find any chatter amongst the group. They said last night on CNN that if there is a group that can perform a terrorist act like Paris last night and coordinate by them selves, it is indeed very bad news.

Also the one car that had terrorists that fired into the bar/bistro was a rental that had Belgium plates. Also another hot stop for radicals.

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The only way to fight this monster is to stand behind peace loving Muslims (like the ones everyone believes are entering the USA), support them, offer them weapons, military equipment and let them go fight on the front lines.


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They said last night on CNN that if there is a group that can perform a terrorist act like Paris last night and coordinate by them selves, it is indeed very bad news.


I don't understand this. How hard is it to plan out something like this really? everyone has cell phones, watches, etc. You get together, pick a time, and do it. Explosives can be made with instructions off the internet. All it takes is a will to do it.

Planning like what into 9/11 is scary. What I know of last nights attacks seems like any small group with the will to do it could...


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Hezbolla is fighting ISIS. This is the reason for the Beirut bombings.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/11/is...2193802793.html

I just found it interesting because the US considers Hezbollah a terrorist org. I am rooting for Hezbollah in this one.

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They said last night on CNN that if there is a group that can perform a terrorist act like Paris last night and coordinate by them selves, it is indeed very bad news.


I don't understand this. How hard is it to plan out something like this really? everyone has cell phones, watches, etc. You get together, pick a time, and do it. Explosives can be made with instructions off the internet. All it takes is a will to do it.

Planning like what into 9/11 is scary. What I know of last nights attacks seems like any small group with the will to do it could...



All it takes is a small group of people willing to kill and die for their cause.

$5000 would more than do the trick. IF you have people willing to kill, and willing to die.

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