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what a scumbag. this is what happens when you give uneducated citizens millions of dollars. While prosecutors and the league try to find out if Michael Vick was involved in a dog fighting ring at a Virginia house that he owned, one NFL player says it doesn't matter if he did take part. "I don't know if he was fighting dogs or not, but it's his property, it's his dog," Washington Redskins running back Clinton Portis told WAVY-TV in Virginia. "If that's what he wants to do, do it. I think people should mind their business." When told that dog fighting is a felony, Portis replied, "It can't be too bad of a crime." Investigators are still trying to determine if crimes were committed and if charges should be filed in the case. Authorities met to compare information on Monday. Vick "At this time, the investigation continues. We have no further comment," said a statement distributed to reporters after the nearly two-hour meeting said. The meeting at the Surry County government office involved Commonwealth's Attorney Gerald Poindexter, Sheriff Harold Brown, the county's animal control officer, two special agents from the Virginia State Police and an investigator with the U.S. Department of Agriculture also representing the U.S. Office of the Inspector General. The case began April 25 when police conducting a drug investigation raided the house Vick owned in rural Surry County and found dozens of dogs. They also found items associated with dog fighting, including a "pry bar" used to pry apart a dog's jaws. No charges have been filed in the case, but Poindexter last week told The Associated Press as many as six to 10 people could be involved. Dog fighting is a felony in Virginia. Vick is a registered dog breeder. He has blamed relatives for taking advantage of his generosity and insisted he's rarely at the house -- even though he's the owner. The Daily Press of Newport News has reported Vick has since sold the home. Poindexter said the county seized some 60 dogs from the house. Several dogs had old scars, but mostly the dogs appeared to be well-cared for, he said. Vick has said he let a cousin, Davon Boddie, live at the house, and that he didn't know a large kennel on the property could be involved in a criminal activity. Vick, the former Virginia Tech quarterback, in recent weeks has been sternly warned against misbehavior by Falcons owner Arthur Blank, and summoned to New York to meet with NFL commissioner Roger Goodell. Redskins offensive lineman Chris Samuels, who was promoting a Redskins fan event with Portis, doesn't want the public to rush to judgment. "You can't accuse this man of something and go ahead and throw the book at him right now," he told WAVY-TV. "He's got to be convicted first, and I don't think that's fair." The NFL has shown a willingness to see if animal abuse is a widespread problem in the league, but Portis doesn't think it's an issue. " You want to hunt down Mike Vick over fighting some dogs?," Portis told the television station. "I think people should mind their own business ." Portis said that dog fighting is more common than people think. Information from The Associated Press was used in this report http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2878099
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"I don't know if he was fighting dogs or not, but it's his property, it's his dog," Washington Redskins running back Clinton Portis told WAVY-TV in Virginia. "If that's what he wants to do, do it. I think people should mind their business."
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I just read that article...just another reason to make me smack my head today due to other's stupidity.
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When told that dog fighting is a felony, Portis replied, "It can't be too bad of a crime."
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This bloodsport of baiting animals has occurred since antiquity, most famously during those times in the Roman Colosseum; however, in contemporary times, it is most associated with the English, who pursued it with utmost earnestness, which was barely known elsewhere in the world. For over six hundred years the pastime flourished, reaching the peak of its popularity during the sixteenth century. The various animal types involved in the bait allowed for the breed specialization and basic anatomical forms of fighting dogs, which we see today.
It's been around a long time. I DO NOT condone it (I refuse to even watch UFC as I'm not into watching people beat each other senseless -- however - I don't complain, I just change the channel.) Just wanted to bring up that a 600 year run is a long, long time.
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Portis gets the stupid comment of the year award.
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to Portis.
I wonder. This is the same guy that quite often dresses up in some elaborate getups before he interviews, and he says a lot of off the cuff, kinda just weird, what is he thinking stuff, but alot of it comes off as jokes and not serious.
Was this Portis just being the Weirdo he is, and not being real serious?
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no he's serious as hell. they have the video on espn.com. check out the link.
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This bloodsport of baiting animals has occurred since antiquity, most famously during those times in the Roman Colosseum; however, in contemporary times, it is most associated with the English, who pursued it with utmost earnestness, which was barely known elsewhere in the world. For over six hundred years the pastime flourished, reaching the peak of its popularity during the sixteenth century. The various animal types involved in the bait allowed for the breed specialization and basic anatomical forms of fighting dogs, which we see today.
It's been around a long time. I DO NOT condone it (I refuse to even watch UFC as I'm not into watching people beat each other senseless -- however - I don't complain, I just change the channel.) Just wanted to bring up that a 600 year run is a long, long time.
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yea, but I would like to think that we are more sophisticated than people that lived 600 years ago. It being a felony proves that our society is much more advanced than the ancient 14th or 15th centruy. I don't have dogs, I have cats, and couldn't imagine setting up fights among these animals to get a thrill or adrenaline rush. Portis and Vick are bums in my book.
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Homosexuality has existed since the dawn of man, yet some people still take issue with it. Prostitution is the oldest profession, yet it's taboo...gambling, drinking, stealing, murder, etc. All have been around forever, and that fact doesn't make it better or worse. I think some may try to take you to task on your argument...and I won't, as I see your point...however, while valid, I think your point may be moot. Doesn't matter how long something's been around...that fact doesn't make it wrong or right.
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just watched it. I dunno, with that dude laughin next to him, i dunno how serious he is.
I dunno, its portis, i take just about everything he says with a grain of salt. he sounds serious, but I dunno, maybe I'm just way off. But, sounds dumb to me. Clinton...is a character, i dunno what to make of it.
but, that is not at all the right thing to say.
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Since you,Vick and Portis seem to be such BIG proponents,I know a couple of guys who have a few "mean one's".
Maybe you guys would like to get into a pit with them? Maybe you guys would like to "experience" just what some people have done to these dogs.
Oh that's right,they're "just dogs". Let ME catch somebody fighting Pit Bulls! It will be the LAST time they do it! I've owned three Pits. They are the sweetest,most loyal dogs you'll ever find.
Man has created a situation where people think these dogs are ALL vicious! Man is destroying the breed. I'll do ANYTHING to help stop that! I've already helped stop a couple of dog fighting rings here localy,and I'm not done yet.
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Let's take Portis and Vick, put them in a cage and hang swords and knives on the walls, and tell them only 1 is allowed out.
That is essentially what dog fighting is, putting dogs in a position they are not in naturally, and forcing them to choose life or death/injury.
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They are the sweetest,most loyal dogs you'll ever find.
Yeah. I never heard of a pit bull attacking a child or anything like that. The reputation they've gotten is because of what they've done. Man might be enhancing things, but there's some fact in the stories. Pit bulls aren't exactly labs or poodles. I know all pit bulls haven't attacked, but enough have that I'll never let my children around them.
I don't condone dog fighting, and I'd love to see Vick severely punished if he's charged. We'll see then if the new commish has a backbone. Is the NFL willing to have jersey sales drop? Could be interesting.
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Any dog is what it is, and people either are loving and the dog is gently, or people are aggressive toward them and the dog becomes mean.
I have a rottwieler, another supposed "dangerous" dog, yet I don't know that our dog would do anything but grab a toy and be ready to play if someone broke into our house, much less be aggressive in public. Maybe if cornered, her natural defensive instincts would come out.
But I've seen more tiny dogs bark and pull at chains and leashes just being walked down the street, than I have seen big dogs be aggressive.
It comes down to how you treat and raise the animal, and the situation the animal is in at the time that determines how aggressive they will be.
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Any dog is what it is, and people either are loving and the dog is gently, or people are aggressive toward them and the dog becomes mean.
I have a rottwieler, another supposed "dangerous" dog, yet I don't know that our dog would do anything but grab a toy and be ready to play if someone broke into our house, much less be aggressive in public. Maybe if cornered, her natural defensive instincts would come out.
But I've seen more tiny dogs bark and pull at chains and leashes just being walked down the street, than I have seen big dogs be aggressive.
It comes down to how you treat and raise the animal, and the situation the animal is in at the time that determines how aggressive they will be.
When i was stationed at Ft. Campbell, i had german shepherd/rott mix. This dog was the most loving, fun dog i've ever seen, he would roam the neighborhood and the kids would play with him for hours. He was also 160lbs..lol. Neighbor about 2 houses down across the street had a female pitt. They also had a 5 year old daughter that the dog seemed to be very obedient and loving. Got loose one day and came into my yard while i was pulling weeds etc. I tried to call her over and show i meant no harm, but she hunched down and growled at me, meanwhile i saw my dog get off the porch and stand next to me. still on a chain. I called over to the owner and told him his dog just growled at me and come and get her. He said "she won't do anything" I told him if she comes any closer i am going to untie my dog. He basically said, I'd like to see that happen, and why would i be dumb enough to risk my dog. Well the dog bared its teeth and growled again and inched closer, I didn't waste any time, i took my dog off the leash and He pummeled that pit, heard its neck snap. that 40lb dog was no match for my 160lb dog. The owner was visibly upset. And i felt bad for him in a way, because here were two very loving/family oriented dogs by appearances, put in an unnatural situation, and acted like they've never have before. You almost never know. On the flip side, i have a 4 year old yellow lab now, and this dog is the most docile dog i've ever owned, he loves to play with my 17 month old and they play for hours. That kids done just about everything to that dog, and the dog don't even do so much as growl. Sure all dogs are unpredictable, but how many time have you heard of a lab mauling/killing a person or kid. Some dogs are just naturally more aggressive. And given the right situation.....
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Attempting to justify dog fighting generally springs from a community often on the outskirts of trouble. If a specific counter culture adopts this lifestyle choice then the "hanger on" friends see it as something to aspire towards.
The people who generally participate in this travesty are rich/famous and travel with thugs as posse...Portis is an uneducated thug who simply accels at football...his pride in his friend's lifestyle renders him unable to realize that crimes by nature are wrong.
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It's been around a long time. I DO NOT condone it (I refuse to even watch UFC as I'm not into watching people beat each other senseless -- however - I don't complain, I just change the channel.)
I wonder how many people who complain about this are boxing fans or fans of MMA style fighting ? Yeah, I know...the men in the ring are making an informed choice to be in the ring whereas the dogs don't. Dog fighting has indeed been around for a long time and certain people still enjoy watching bloodsports. Sort of like cockfighting where the birds tear the opponent apart but millions of people still watch and enjoy this "sport". Personally dogfighting does nothing for me but watching those roosters do battle is incredible. The desire they have to finish the opponent is visceral and amazingly violent . Not much into the spurs and blades but it is cool when they have little gloves on the spurs and watch them tussel . Not for everyone I understand and neither is dog fighting but it happens.
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I'll never understand people like you. I can't imagine enjoying that kind of thing. I know there are many people who do, and quite a few on this board more than likely. I simply can't fathom getting pleasure out of watching that sort of "sport". I find it simply awful.
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How can you even call it a sport?...It is nothing more then cruel! And I for one hope, that if he is involved...they throw the book at him! 
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Since you,Vick and Portis seem to be such BIG proponents,I know a couple of guys who have a few "mean one's".
Maybe you guys would like to get into a pit with them? Maybe you guys would like to "experience" just what some people have done to these dogs.
Oh that's right,they're "just dogs". Let ME catch somebody fighting Pit Bulls! It will be the LAST time they do it! I've owned three Pits. They are the sweetest,most loyal dogs you'll ever find.
Man has created a situation where people think these dogs are ALL vicious! Man is destroying the breed. I'll do ANYTHING to help stop that! I've already helped stop a couple of dog fighting rings here localy,and I'm not done yet.
Which part of when I wrote "I DONT CONDONE IT" don't you understand? I even said I refuse to watch UFC.
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I'll never understand people like you. I can't imagine enjoying that kind of thing. I know there are many people who do, and quite a few on this board more than likely. I simply can't fathom getting pleasure out of watching that sort of "sport". I find it simply awful.
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Well I love MMA and boing to a lesser extent. They are certainly violent sports. It is just a little different than training and abusing animals to get them to fight to the death. People that fight for a living make their own choices and they don't think they will actually die fighting.
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As I said it is not for everyone . Maybe you are more enlightened than the folks who like this . I'll be honest..I love violence whether it be boxing,judo , MMA , cockfighting,football you name it I'll watch it .
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Let's take Portis and Vick, put them in a cage and hang swords and knives on the walls, and tell them only 1 is allowed out.
That's my feeling on this also, but I wouldn't give them any weapons - hands, feet, teeth - that's all they get.
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Let's take Portis and Vick, put them in a cage and hang swords and knives on the walls, and tell them only 1 is allowed out.
That's my feeling on this also, but I wouldn't give them any weapons - hands, feet, teeth - that's all they get.
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I think getting enjoyment out of watching two animals fight to the death indicates psychopathy. Many psychopaths have a history of torturing animals for personal pleasure.
Violent sports where there is a referee and systems to prevent serious injury are not in the same category.
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Violent sports where there is a referee and systems to prevent serious injury are not in the same category.
There are dogfights and cockfights that have referees as well. Again, I'm not condoning it at all. I wouldn't look at it if it were in my front yard, I won't even watch nature shows where lions kill deer and things of that ilk. I'm just giving facts for you to do what you want with.
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I agree jfanent. Clinton Portis is an idiot. Say what you want about Dog Fightin but it's cruel and unfair to the dogs. It's taking advantage of their nature and loyalty and training them to fight each other.
I'm a big UFC fan, but with UFC there is skill involved as well as referees and people making a concious choice to get into the ring. My buddy was a MMA Fighter, and he stopped doing it because it sucked. (He was actually pretty good, only lost one match and fought in at least ten) He just didn't like being 19-20 years old and fighting grown men; getting punched in the face hurt and he didn't think it was worth it.
My buddy was able to make a choice not to fight though. These dogs have no choice but to fight eachother though, and that is just plain cruel.
Comments like these make Clinton Portis look like a bum in my book. Respect that I once had has immediately been lost for the guy. Just as i've lost all my respect for Michael Vick that I used to have (don't care what many say, he's a great player in my book) if the dog fighting allegations end up coming up true. In fact, if these allegations end up being true, i hope Vick is thrown out of the NFL entirely.
LOL, At least Braylon doesn't hold dog fights at his crib (I hope)
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I think anyone who takes this stance is afraid to admit they like violence. I'm not. I am honest with myself why I like what I do and as someone said there are refs and rules in cockfighting as well . It ain't for everybody and watching dogs fight does nothing for me personally but neither am I a hypocrite about my lust for violence. It is either all right or all wrong. You can flip flop any way you want but that is what it boils down to.
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***OK---now don't crucify me; but I think I understand where Portis is coming from---just hear me out.****
Mike Vick may be involved in Dog-fighting---which is a felony. And I'm pretty sure that if convicted, Vick would probably see a fine and probation on some plea deal.
And that is what the court system is supposed to do---I DON"T think however, that a court of public opinion should cost him his job. If I had a felony coniction for dog-fighting; and saw some kind of fine/probation---Its not going to cost me my job. So why should Vick be banned from the league like so many of these animal rights nut jobs are advocating.
I think this is what Portis meant---sure he may be involved in dog-fighting; but thats it, hle'll face the courts and that's fine; but the uproar being caused by people with an OBVIOUS AGENDA is ridiculous.
Again, I don't condone the suffering of animals---but I am not one to judge another man b/c of his deviance. We all, at one time or another did something wrong---some worse than others---that just makes us who we are. We are all to some extent guilty and flawed creatures, the court of public opinion could be twisted around on a lot of us for what we have done. Vick, b/c of his position, is more vulnerable than most of us and its WRONG.
But, I guess it is human nature to talk about "what I would do to him" or state what a "horrible person this guy is."
He's just a human being, no more, no less.
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Talking to yourself again?
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