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as a team, we rushed 14 times...for 15 yards.

wow.

So that averages out to 1 yard and what…2-3 inches per carry?

yep. 1.1 per carry.

manziel was our leading rusher with 3 carries for 17 yards.

then duke at 4 carries for 10.

Crow had 6 carries....-5 yards.

Well, if someone hadn't and a penalty Crow would've had a rushing TD.

Is that a moral quandvictory?

Oh no we have one of the best lines in football. That's why we are next to last in rushing and sacks allowed.

it seems like it's a recurring theme that our QB's are our leading rusher

I think teams tee off on the run and the QB needs to do a better job of getting the team into the right plays.

Additionally, the coaching is awful. Everything every team does has a counter, and the Browns never adjust accordingly.

The coaching staff in general is football dumb.

I still say Manzeil was in. It was clear the ball was extended when his knees hit.

benji dropped a TD, and Crowell's gets called back'.

Whoever decided to put Bademosi on Brown should have been fired on the sidelines.


What hurts, is that I think Ben could have started, but they felt they wouldn't need him. Why have any respect for a Browns team that is on par with a div 3 high school team.

Might as well post it again.


Hey Mike

lol

This is how bad Pettine is.

i don't know why we couldn't stick with a blocking scheme that worked.

it made no sense to switch

yea i think the refs blew that call.

i don't know if it would've matter. be we had a bit of momentum going in, ya never know.

LOL and if I hear a poster say there was only a breakdown or two with the oline I'll be calling them out. This oline gives up when Manziel plays. They totally break down. Including Thomas and Mack.

Barnidge actually pouts when Manziel is in.

McCown is his boy.

Couldn't have hurt.

I think Johnny did well today, considering we do not have a decent reciever on this team.

It don't matter, the defense is beyond horrible. We will not win again.

I say you stick with Manzeil, at this point wins mean nothing. Plus, today was futher proff that the QB is not our problem right now.

i don't know why. he actually got work in today.

hell, i bet benji pouts when mccown is in.

I have to watch quarters 2-4 on DVR, but I did watch the first quarter live and the Oline was giving Johnny a good pocket early on - they were not getting pushed into his mug like the Cin game...

maybe it got worse so the tape will soon tell..

there were atleast 3 times where manziel couldn't even finish the drop back without somebody being in the backfield.

he did have time...sometimes. but those were because flip was calling slants and 5 yard outs.

when he calls these long developing pass plays, the line was shaky, at best.

I swear I saw him quit on plays today.

Our recievers don't help.

This is exactly what I mean by the inmates running the asylum instead of making tough decisions for the long term benefit of the team. Guys like Barnidge, Thomas, and Pettine LIKE McCown better.

Yep, it's all Mike's fault. Has nothing to do w/the talent that the genius Farmer has either got rid of or brought in.

I agree.

I knew this was going to happen. Unreasonable expectations leads to placing the blame on the wrong people when reality sets in.

Go for it. There is no doubt that this team will win if we just fire the coach. We have superior talent.

your tunnel vision is annoying. damn near everybody on the board has already said over and over that Farmer has to go.

All I am reading is criticism for Pet.

The difference in the talent level each week is what is embarrassing. Tell me you can't freaking see that?

Vers I agree with you its not all MP but he is the coach, he doesn't have a lot of talent for sure but 188 yards in penalties? That's discipline and he should be held culpable for that. I agree also that Farmer is responsible for this roster not MP but god this team is undisciplined.

uhh, we do see that, which is why plenty of people have already said on the game day chat and such that the talent level is there, as far as defense.

and even then, it leaves one to wonder if coaching isn't a huge ass reason for that as well.

you're mad at something that simply doesn't exist.

which i'm starting to think you just don't want to acknowledge that people have already said it's a problem with Farmer.

Okay Swish. I won't voice my opinion on your thread. No biggie.

Or over thinking it. Does this group learn from mistakes? Because we ought to be golden by about now.

All those little things we straightened out should be gone by now one would think. And we covered the same way. Throw this scheme, such as it is, out.

Demand a different game plan.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/arti...32-9585a94966a1

Opening Statement: On the injury front, Randy Starks has a knee issue. He’ll get an MRI tomorrow. Then Andrew Hawkins and Taylor Gabriel were both diagnosed with concussions. Cleary, this was a disappointing result. The thing that’s easy to accept at times is when they make a play and out execute you. When some of their yardage and things come as a result of us being undisciplined and making simple mistakes and mental errors, we have to get that tightened up across the board. We’ve talked about getting it right as a staff and getting it right as a team. There were some good things to pull from it. I thought Johnny Manziel did some good things. He stayed poised, had some good presence in the pocket and moved well. I think he improved greatly from the Thursday night game knowing where he had to be to make throws and not looking to get out of the pocket too soon. He made some good plays. Overall we can’t be that one-dimensional. We have to be able to run the football. That’s a challenge to everybody in the run game. We have to be better. Defensively, the secondary play was not anywhere near our standards. There were too many long balls. We did some good things in the run game. They didn’t attempt to run it very often but I think one of the reasons was that we defended it well early. We forced them to be one-dimensional. They obviously made plays on us.

Can you anticipate making any changes to staff or scheme?
No. This time will give us a chance to evaluate it. We’ll be in as a staff this week. The players will be off after Wednesday, but the staff will be in a little bit longer to evaluate everything from A to Z.

Did Ben Roethlisberger playing effect the game plan?
No, because I don’t know if their plan would have been that much different if it had been Landry Jones the whole game. I don’t think it affected us from a schematic standpoint.

Was Manziel throwing from the pocket a major point of emphasis during the week?
No, it was running the offense. It was trusting the read. When you say, ‘trust the read,’ it’s implied that if the read is there, hit your plant and throw it. I thought he did a good job of understanding what they were in, knowing where the ball had to go and knowing if he had to move in the pocket to get the lane to throw it. I think he took a big step forward in that sense.

How do you account for all the plays the Steelers’ wide receivers made? Was it lack of pass rush or was it coverage?
It was both. I thought we did some decent things rushing the passer. He was getting the snap and finding the receivers and getting it out. Our guys were winning at times, but the ball was out so quick. Looking at it at times and looking at the replay, it’s frustrating when we’re not executing the right technique and guys fall back on old habits and open up the gate. We need to be better at the line of scrimmage. If you win at the line of scrimmage and take advantage of the one rule that’s in favor of the defense, then you have a chance to win down the field. When we’re giving free access from a press alignment, those are the things that are going to happen.

Why was Justin Gilbert inactive today?
It was a situation with Gaines. We wanted to get Charles Gaines some work. From a returner standpoint, we felt comfortable with Duke Johnson Jr. and Marlon Moore that we had those bases covered. Again, we wanted to come up with our position minimums and then back-fill it with special teams.

Re: Jimmy Haslam making no changes during the bye week:
I had a good meeting with Jimmy just the other day. We discussed a lot of things including what’s been going well and what hasn’t been going well. We discussed what the plan is moving forward. Where we are right now isn’t good enough. We’re challenged as a staff to do a little soul searching, come up with some answers and make sure when we come out of this break, we’re ready to go and ready to snap this streak

There have been things that have been going well?

yea, their game day checks

Vers...I get it. Question: What do you think of Pettine's ability to prepare these guys each week? Question: What are your thoughts on the fact that UNOFFICIALLY the Browns have more penalty yards than rushing yards? Question: What responsibility does Pettine bear for this defense?

The comment Pettine made with Gaines is odd...Gilbert was inactive because he wanted to give Gaines his NFL snaps covering monsters in Bryant and Brown...shows me what an idiot he is, you don't give somebody their first NFL snaps against that matchup unless absolutely forced...heck I know Gilbert isn't really good but he at least has NFL snaps

how is gilbert gonna get better if he's not getting any reps at the position?

why is pettine so against playing his 1st rounders?

Said it on twitter during the game... We've seen a lot of bad football since '99, but this team might be the dumbest I have ever seen. A lot of times penalties and mistakes come from the opposition outworking you, and believe me that is also the case, but I have never seen a team shoot themselves in the foot like this Browns team.

I thought Johnny was pretty good today. Not great, not special, but he was pretty good. The intermediate stuff seemed to get better. He got robbed of a TD by a bad call. I think today should close the book on McCown in Cleveland. Let Johnny finish the year and see what you have. At this point I'm not ruling out QB in the draft, but I definitely want to see Manziel the rest of the year.

I'm sick of Mike Pettine. I get the feeling he can't wait to get out of Cleveland with his money. He'll get a free year off paid, and he will be with Rex Ryan in 2017. That way he can bring Rex coffee every morning and hide the fact that his garbage defense wouldn't work in college football, let alone the NFL.

I think Farmer needs to go right now, and someone needs to be brought in to start evaluating this team and to begin the prcoess of cutting the fat.

There are so many stupid arguments that I hear every year that I can't stand. All of which end with the horrible take of "well so and so QB should play because they owe it to the players" as if the players shouldn't have to go out there because it's a young QB or some other garbage...

Nothing should be owed to the players. I'm sick of the extra days off, the country club training camp, and the annual week 16 and 17 free day off since we're well out of contention.

My favorite is he has to earn it in practice.



Inmates running the asylum.

+1000...I thought this same thing after I read this. That's what pre-season is for, to give your late round picks some game reps.