DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Tailgate Forum The #1 draft pick

I know we only have it right now because we haven't had our bye week yet but at worst if we lose out the rest of the way we should be in the top 4 or 5.

I think that with Manziel in, we will probably lose out the rest of the way and will most likely have the #1 pick.

Here are the teams in front of us.

San Diego Chargers
2015 record: 2-7 (.494)

The Chargers play the 4-5 Chiefs twice and the 3-6 Jaguars once. Rivers has a way of putting poor teams on his shoulders and I think he can pull one out somewhere.

Tennessee Titans
2015 record: 2-7 (.506)

They play the 3-6 Jaguars twice and 4-5 Texans once. Hopefully they pick up a win in one of those 3. They have a good shot of losing out as well though. They won't be picking a QB from this spot though, but could trade down.

Baltimore Ravens
2015 record: 2-7 (.506)

We can take care of this one ourselves with a loss in the next game and I think they will be motivated given their loss to us.

So if we get It what do we do?

Do we take best player? In my opinion that's probably Bosa this year.

Do we pick one of the top 3 QB's? Do you think any of the top 3 are "Franchise QB's"?

Do we auction the pick to the highest bidder? We obviously need a lot more than we have picks for and I am kinda of leaning toward this last one if we can get a bunch for it.

What does everyone else think?

I think we need to let the rest of the season play out before we jump to any conclusions. Especially since we have no way to know how it will play out or what our draft position will be.

If we end up with the top pick, great, but I don't really feel like we need to tank or anything. There's no Andrew Luck in this draft. There are some nice players, and a nice crop of QB's but there isn't a QB that will be ready to take you to the playoffs in year one. It's not happening.

Not to mention, how does Luck look right now? He's banged up. He's not playing that well, and the team around him is horrible. I'm more woried about picks 2-6 than I am with trying to secure the first overall pick.

The talking heads seem to think it may be QB, but I'm not so sure about that. If there is not a Newton, Luck or someone of that caliber, you need to take the best player regardless of position. I know tackles have gone high in the recent past, but I think you don't need to worry there. Otherwise, yes, best player. Hopefully a defensive one. This defense needs the one guy who can maybe take the reigns. A homegrown player who can lead by example. I love Bosa. I think he can play in multiple schemes... I love Robert Nkemdiche at the next level. I have an awful feeling he will be the successor to Terrell Suggs in Baltimore. That dude can play and he has NFL written all over him.

I like Connor Cook a lot, I think his transition will be pretty smooth to the NFL. He's tough too, which I like. This QB Lynch from Memphis can play. There's plenty of talent out there, we don't need to be first in line this year.

Plus, you know, Johnny could, uh, develop and win a few games, and maybe we can finally give him the job. In hindsight, he should have just taken over after Tennessee. He seems to be learning from his mistakes. He really needed that first year to make mistakes on the field and learn from them, much like Carr did last year, and Mariota/Winston are doing this year. Part of that is his own fault, but I really think he has a chance to finish strong and make his case to whoever takes over control of this roster after the season. It's going to be a pretty tough sell, especially with a pending high pick...

I don't think you understand what an internet message board is for.

if manziel shows promise and maturity, we should go into the draft looking at the best WR on the board, or best ILB

If Manziel shows promise and maturity, then we aren't draft #1.

I don't know about that. He just threw for nearly 400 yards last week and they lost big! The defense is that bad!

Right, but if you have good QB play, eventually you will run into a couple of wins.

even with a couple wins, who says other teams don't pick up any, as well?

Usually the team with the worst record has less than four wins.

We are going to have Gordan and Benjamin to stretch the field, so we need A big Physical WR that will fight for the football. I really don't see that guy in the draft, but maybe we could go after Jefferey in Free Agency.

There is no way you can put any faith in Gordon making it to training camp.

If we are first overall and can pick up additional draft picks n a trade, we'll need to consider it.

I like Cook and Goff, but not so much that I'd take them regardless with the first overall pick. We could likely drop a few spots and still get one of them. I'd prefer we go OL/DL with the earliest picks so we can run/defend the run. WR pretty early too.

As far as QBs go, I'd grab 2 in the draft later. I like Kevin Hogan as maybe a 3rd or 4th (not sure where he's slated). He has to work on his release and consistency, but he has the tools. Nate Sudfeld is another guy I think would be a decent later round pick.

We need some pass rushers.

We have enough invested on the line. We need playmakers.

Yep, that's why I'm thinking Bosa if we go with best player available.

We'll have to agree to disagree. If we can't block and cannot rush the QB/stop the run, playmakers become less relevant.

If we need a QB and there is one we can even think about drafting in the top five, then we have to take him. Have to.

I know.


I get irritated reading year after year about spending high picks on o-line. The crap we see on the field this year is what happens when you don't invest in skill position players.

While not really top heavy, I do think that QB is pretty deep this year. A lot of decent QB talent should be in the 2nd/3rd round.

Linch looks like the overwhelming number one to me

If you do not have a franchise QB, you stand no chance of being successful. It would be insane to pass over one if available.

That is why the next 6 games are important. Hopefully we will have an understanding as to his future with the Browns.

Too bad the investment isn't paying off. I guess much depends on what Manziel does with the rest of the season. I really like Paxton Lynch at QB. After that, most of the top prospects are on the defensive side of the ball. I don't think there are any receivers who might go top 10 and no way I take a RB or TE that high.

I will admit I haven't really given the draft and the prospects much thought at this point, and there is a long way to go before we finally have to make a selection in late April.

Right now, if we had the #1 pick, I go Lynch at QB or Boza at DE.

Have you watched footage on Tyler Boyd or Laquon Treadwell? Personally I prefer Treadwell, but they are both big, athletic WR with incredible catch radius.

I am hoping the Johnny Manziel we seen last week at QB is who he will be from here on out. That is a QB we can win with.

Then there are 3 key areas the team needs to fix. I know there are other holes but these 3 key areas have to be fixed first.

1) Pass Rush - The team has no pass rush what so ever. A good pass rush makes the secondary look much better. We have talent in the secondary and a good pass rush coupled with the talent in the secondary would equal more turnovers caused by the defense.

Can Joey Bosa play OLB? I do not see him as a 3-4 DE so he would have to have the ability to play OLB or a switch to the 4-3 would be needed to draft him.

2) Run Defense - To set up the pass rush the defense has to first stop the run. Robert Nkemdiche would be a very good selection at DE for a 3-4.

3) Big WR - I know we get Josh Gordon back next year and Travis Benjamin has been a pleasant surprise this year but this team needs a reliable big target to make the tough catches in traffic. Laquaon Treadwell would make the most sense to fit that mold.

I think if Manziel proves to be our future 1 of these 3 players should be our #1 draft pick next year.

This is not a forgone conclusion. We don't just "get him back". He has to apply for reinstatement to the league before he's eligible to become a Brown again, which they can deny. There's a very real possibility Josh Gordon will never step foot on an NFL field ever again.

Similar to how we went into last off-season not being able to count on ever having Manziel, we have to do the same this off-season with Gordon (not that it matters with these buffoons running the org - but still).

I agree with the part about Gordon.

You have to assume he never coming back.

This is easy. If we end up with the #1 pick then we know Manziel is not the answer which means you HAVE to draft the best QB. Even as bad as the Browns have been since the return they have still only owned the 1st pick twice. There just is no other position that adds enough value for that pick. If they even think about taking Bosa...

If we get it, can we trade the #1 pick for a new President and GM?

I'd do it (yes I realize this is not realistic) - but seriously, I'd much rather have a legit FO making picks 2-7 and going forward than the #1 pick.

I would agree with that statement if there were a clear cut superior QB option in this draft, like Newton, Luck, even Mariota. But I don't think there is a dramatic difference between this year's top tier and those who will be available in rounds 3-4. And 2 of the top 3 QBs are underclassmen and might not declare. If I were running the draft, I would be fielding offers, especially ones that include a 1st rounder next year.

Sorry but I'm tired of giving other teams our better picks. When has trading down worked for us or any other team? You have to take your chances even if you feel the draft isn't very talented. Again, I don't want another Julio Jones trade down! We have been burned to many times! Plus, the extra first round pick will likely be at the bottom of round one. So we take another center or bust nose tackle?

And if he does come back, will Pettine ever play him?

Gonna be tough to beat the Ravens out for worst record now. After they lost Forsett to a broken arm and Flacco to torn ACL.

Ravens won, San Diego is really beat up and may not win another.

At least both of those teams already have a QB.

We really have to bring our F game against Baltimore and San Francisco. We can't allow ourselves to get amped up, execute well enough, or get lucky enough to win those games.

Let's do this.

So assuming we get the #1 overall

I am afraid of reaching and going for "the best available" at any certain position.

So if the best available QB is the 7th best player, overall. Do we still take him?

I like the BPA ideology.

It depends on Manziel. If he plays poorly, I say yes.

If Manziel doesn't show any signs these last 6 games I'd say we're forced to take a QB