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While he completely ignores that the gun laws in France are so restrictive, that everyone on the streets or concert hall are little more than a target. I'm also quite sure the 'Kalashnikovs' used in the terrorist attacks were illegal, as France bans all automatics, and semi automatics with mags larger than 20 rounds.

Inconsistent principles..wanting to do for my own people and not the neediest people of the world..yep i guess I'll have inconsistent principles..

Selective persecution?? Thats not code for he is a radical conservative racist is it rock:/

I'm not sure why France isn't even listed.

So. I was referring to all the sitting ducks in the cafes that had no means to defend themselves. How many refugees and muslim immigrants have they allowed in?

so you want to talk about all serious threats to society in one conversation? This will go nowhere at warp speed.

My good friend went to London he didn't get shot but he sure as hell got stabbed and mugged by some religion of peace folks.

He is still screwed up from that..and ironically doesn't blame the poor people who did it. Says he shouldnt have went into that area..while partly right I just looked at him like he was a kook and helped his family out till he was able to leave the hospital.

What's wrong with wanting to do for your own and others in need?

If your own you mean American citizens, then realize there are as many, if not more threats from them.

Recognizing that doesn't make anyone a hater it just means recognizing that. That needs to figure into principles.

Not sure what code you're talking about.

ok I guess France should be the epitome of the world..

Even after the attacks French President Francois Hollande has promised to take in tens of thousands of the refugees.

My point exactly.

whether or not something makes you a hater seems to be completely in the eyes of those who apply the label.

Absolutely nothing wrong with helping our own which is what I've said to you..You want the country to help the neediest of other countries ok..You are free to open your wallet and home to them good luck.

Let me guess..the threats from our own are someone who says they believe in the constitution..doesn't want stricter gun laws and lower taxes and is middle aged whitey?

Stop being obtuse..I specifically asked you if selective persecution was code for being racist and not wanting refugees..now you shouldnt be confused:)

and he is a fool..not exactly someone who I would look to for advice.

and people sure do love them some labels

Like, "fool".

If you want to label me as someone who labels "racists" that's up to you. You could have been a bit more clear about that when you first labelled me as a "coder".

ok smiley is a joke right..??

I didn't label you anything..the Hollande?sp? is a fool. And I didnt label you a 'coder" I asked u if it was a code for being a racist refugee hater..the circular logic you have it in spades sir.

There I did give you your label of using and being a circular logic user:)

Never said Hollande was smart. I think he's quite foolish to let more in after this. They have 3rd and 4th generation muslims in Paris that have not and will never assimilate into French culture. They are losing their country and culture.

Are we even discussing the issue, or you guys just gonna take shots at each other the entire time?

Y'all sound just like the candidates running for president right now. Both right and left.

Jeez. It's almost like faith is an important moral compass for some in this country. It's so surprising that when they show a complete diversion from this, strong, moral compass that some people may point that out. How crazy.

Really? Can you find me one example of a refugee being involved in a terrorist plot?

When those who have no clue of what Christian Morals truly are try to criticize that which they can't understand, they end up looking foolish.

They end up supporting the wholesale slaughter of 50 million American children through abortion...

They support groups who then sell the harvested body parts of those American kids...

Now they cry that Christians are not Christian enough as they try to use common sense in protecting their families from terrorists asking for a hold on the immigration of possible enemy combatants.

Foolish. Just Foolish.

So, that must mean your morals are 100% correct that everyone should follow, right? Sorry, I'm both moral and a pragmatist, and I think the prudent path is to not let any of them in until they are fully vetted by someone other than a federal government that changes intelligence reports to appease the CINC.

No, but I don't use morality as a valid reason for laws unlike Republicans

A refugee, as defined by Section 101(a)(42) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), is a person who is unable or unwilling to return to his or her home country because of a “well-founded fear of persecution” due to race, membership in a particular social group, political opinion, religion, or national origin. This definition is based on the United Nations 1951 Convention and 1967 Protocols relating to the Status of Refugees, which the United States became a party to in 1968. Following the Vietnam War and the country’s experience resettling Indochinese refugees, Congress passed the Refugee Act of 1980, which incorporated the Convention’s definition into U.S. law and provides the legal basis for today’s U.S. Refugee Admissions Program (USRAP).

As the US became party to the UN's refugee status in 1968, that would mean democrats passed that one.

And if they show a strong conviction to it, they get mocked for that too.. jeez, it's almost like they are in a no-win situation there.

At least France is one of the European countries willing to step up militarily instead of waiting on the US.

I don't think that fits in with losing their country.

As far as culture, I don't know if you saw the video of the soccer fans singing their national anthem.

I was in Paris last year and believe me their culture is going nowhere.

so you don't think we should expand the number of refugees that we can legally bring into the United States because it's the moral thing to do?

DHS hired 70+ people that were on its own terror watch list... Obama suspended importing Iraqi refugees because of problems in the vetting process... maybe you would prefer to wait until something is blown up and then use that as justification for making sure the system is working...

Yes, I saw them singing. Hopefully it's an ongoing thing instead of momentary. If you remember all the American flags out after 9/11 compared to now, you can see why that didn't really shock me about them singing. Now, kids that wear American flagged clothing to school are told they are racist.

We might have to put a pause on all the French surrender jokes for a while, huh?

As for refugees, here is an interesting article. Some excerpts.

MPI analyzed the number of refugees resettled through the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program, and found just three people were arrested on terrorism charges. Two were Iraqi refugees arrested in Bowling Green, Ky., in 2011 on suspicion of plotting to send weapons to insurgents to kill American soldiers abroad. The third is an Uzbek refugee who was arrested in 2013 in Boise, Idaho, accused of conspiring to support a terrorist organization, gathering explosive materials, and plotting to carry out an attack on U.S. soil.

The Tsarnaev brothers initially were described as refugees in news reports. But later, it was revealed that the brothers ended up in the United States as minors because their father applied for asylum. So they are not counted in the MPI’s analysis.

The means through which a certain refugee entered the United States is not readily available to the public. The distinction is not always made in news coverage or court records. There are other individuals identified as refugees who were arrested on terrorism charges since 9/11, but whose means of obtaining refugee status remains unclear publicly.

Jones, who reviewed the cases while he served on the 9/11 Review Commission, listed 10 occasions since 2009 when refugees were arrested on terrorism-related charges in the United States. His research did not specify how the person obtained refugee status, and he looked at cases where a refugee within the U.S. border was in contact with, or provided support (financial, materials or any other assistance), to known terrorist groups or entities.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact...rorism-charges/

The article is based on a tweet from a democrat representative from CA, where he said "Not one has been arrested on domestic terrorism charges". Oddly enough, he uses a lot of wiggle room for determining exactly what makes one a refugee, and what exactly counts of domestic terrorism.

Do you mean, "cheese eating surrender monkeys"?

That is no way to talk about America's current Leaders!

I had the pleasure of training with some French Legion..some of the toughest men I had met next to some Israel folks and Turks.

But damn the French mindset is kind of soft.

And I could be wrong..but I swear i read that the French didn't even have enough bombs to do any substantial damage to isis.

It was more of a hey look we are doing something about the terrorist.

I find that hard to believe. France has 43K members of their Air Force and almost 40 Air Bases. I find it impossible to believe that they have that large a force, and no weapons that can do any damage.

I didn't say weapons I said bombs...I will try to find where I read it to appease you.

While they have plenty of bombers they didn't have enough bombs to actually be effective.

A little history:

PROVIDING FOR THE INVESTIGATION OF AND REPORT ON DISPLACED PESONS AND PERSONS OF GERMAN ETHNIC ORIGIN SEEKING ADMISSION INTO THE UNITED STATES

By virtue of the authority vested in me by section 10 of the Displaced Persons Act of 1948, approved June 25, 1948 (62 Stat. 1009), as amended and extended by Public Law 555, 81st Congress, Second Session, approved June 16, 1950, and as President of the United States, it is ordered as follows:

1. The Displaced Persons Commission is hereby designated as the agency which shall, subject to the provisions of paragraph 2 hereof, make or prepare the investigations and written reports required by sections 10 and 12 of the Displaced Persons Act of 1948, as amended, regarding the character, history, and eligibility under the said Act of eligible displaced persons and persons of German ethnic origin seeking admission into the United States.

2. The Department of State, the Department of the Army, and such other agencies of the Government as the Displaced Persons Commission may request, shall, in accordance with arrangements agreed upon between the Commission and any such department or agency, furnish the Commission such assistance as it may need in carrying out its responsibilities under paragraph 1 of this order.

3. This order shall take effect immediately and shall supersede Executive Order No. 10003 of October 4, 1948, (1) entitled "Providing for the Investigation of and Report on Displaced Persons Seeking Admission into the United States."


HARRY S. TRUMAN
THE WHITE HOUSE,
June 16, 1950
http://trumanlibrary.org/executiveorders/index.php?pid=126

The French have the capabilities to be effective.

But we've been bombing the Middle East since 2001. The French all of a sudden decided to bomb Isis is gonna to do... Nothing. It has done nothing.

Russia bombing Isis. What has it done? Nothing.

Let's put this in perspective. We spend billions of dollars fighting terrorism in the Middle East, right?

I just read an article that said the attackers of Paris MIGHT have spend about 7500 dollars.

And looks who's been more effective in their respective goals.

I understand I wasn't trying to mislead or claim something as fact..just was trying to remember the content..and I'm pretty sure about what I said.

I will try to find it..I read a ton of stuff a day sometimes I cant quite remember which board it was:)