DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Who is Cam Erving on the field of play.

Thanks, that would have taken me all day and I still wouldn't know how to explain what I saw. Sounds like great potential. Can't wait for the next quarter to see how they dealt with him.

Congrats on 33 years.

Congrats, Eo. Is that the pie where you use a bazillion layers of that paper thin crust that you have to moisten individually? If so, you're going to have a huge window, lol.

Thanks EO

very grabby and gets caught....hehe. it seems he could get away with some grabbin in the past and cant get away with it now.

the td called back last game was so stupid obvious.....

well my Evaluation of the guy is he sucks............

did your head just get twice the size it should be ready to explode?? i know how much you like the " he sucks" lmao.

just busting you. i sure am not going to even try to say a rookie in his first game is going to be good or bad lol

rough first game is all i will say lol

j/c:

Just read the Shelton thread and this one. No football talk. Just insults.

Will you guys freaking stop?

I have called nobody names, questioned nobody's intelligence, and accused nobody of abusing a message board. I have questioned nobody's "number of postings," status as a Browns fan, nor merit as a human being. It is the accuser of such things that could harbor those ideas about himself.

Both Shelton and Erving are victims, in part, of a poorly coached and poorly trained/disciplined team. This is an opinion I and others have asserted.

It seems some, with supposedly a "large" number of postings for whatever that means, cannot politely disagree or type nothing.

This harkins me back to a time when a certain group asserted that the world was flat.

Just because you "and others" have asserted something doesn't even allude to the possibility that it's grounded in either fact nor common sense.

Yet you state it as though it has some merit.

I state again: Both Shelton and Erving are victims, in part, of a poorly coached and poorly trained/disciplined team.

We have 2 wins this year. We have unheralded penalties.

An opinion, not fact, about Shelton and Erving. A meritorious one I assert.

looking forward to the rest eotab.

Nice break down on Irving, Tab. Pretty much my take on his first start also. The entire Oline was weak IMO. But Irving got the OLine scapegoat of the week award around here.

To me he starts out like a statue then gets more flexible/better as the game wears on.

&^$&%$@*%(&*^(* did 2nd qtr...palm hit alt or window key and all disappeared!

thank you great analysis.
My analysis is erving needs work.

Anyone else noticed after Joel went down against Cincinnati, they plugged in Erving who displayed his usual ability to struggle and they benched him?

Not good, since he's definitely not an exterior linemen and is failing miserably at what his strength should be, in an interior position.

Probable bust? One could start thinking that way...

He did get benched. He was awful. He got beat w/power moves and by quickness.

I saw Joe T. actually shoot his right arm out and hit Erving's guy at the snap and then block his own guy one on one. That was an incredibly athletic move by a tackle. I was astounded.

There are plays where you chip guys and then go to the second level, but to actually shoot an arm out and help the guy beside you on a passing play is incredible.

It told me two things:

--Joe is a freak of nature, and

--They realize Erving is a liability on the field.

the entire line has been a liability this season.

erving just highlights the debacle in glorious fashion.

Pazstor replaced him, correct? I know it was garbage time, but he didn't look as bad as Erving.

Erving must have practiced against Shelton in training camp because he loves to stand up and let the DL get underneath him. I will say there were some runs where he did very well, but his pass blocking reminded me of that Seahawks commercial where Matt Hasselbeck got killed because some random dude was pass blocking.

I think the OL is getting somewhat of a bad rap. I will agree that their run blocking has been poor, but there are a couple of factors that I don't think people are considering:

--Everyone of our QBs holds the ball too long. I was watching yesterday and was thinking what are the odds of having 3 qbs on one roster who ALL hold the ball that long?

--The playcalling puts a lot of pressure on the OL. We pass, pass, and pass some more. It is imperative to at least attempt to run the ball even if it isn't successful.

--The Bengals were teeing off w/their all-out pass rush. I think they considered that the Browns were not going to run the ball very much, especially if one run failed in that series.......and they really didn't respect our running game at all. That is why Crow broke a couple of medium gains. The problem is that because they were coming w/all-out rushes and we were indeed passing it so much, it put the OL in a really, really bad situation.

I do know this. Watching teams like Green Bay and Minnesota makes me appreciate how good at pass blocking our OL is.

I'm going to expound on your points. The number of long routes and deep back drops is disproportionate. We already know the QBs hang on to the ball too long but the play calling isn't helping. Where are the 3 steps? With Hoyer/Shanahan last year, we saw a lot more quicker routes that got the ball to single coverage in space to YAC guys like Gabe and Hawkins. A lot of the longer routes on the other hand were reserved to play action. It was much more effective in alleviating constant, heavy pressure from the D front 7.

IIRC, it seemed that last year, shanahan designed plays that allowed hoyer to get the ball out quickly.

Edit: I guess that's exactly what you just posted haha

I don't see a lot of detail but I saw that too, real-time.

You know it's bad when you have to use your tackle, who is blocking someone else, to chip block for your guard.

Geno Atkins was licking his chops.

Lineman help each other all the time. But what Joe did was really, way beyond cool.

Geno Atkins is a freak of nature. Cam Erving is a future center who was forced to practice at tackle because the organization is made up of buffoons. Cam hasn't looked spectacular or even good, but I'm still willing to let this play out a bit more before I super judge (I already think drafting a backup center in the first while alienating your probowl center is a dumb tactic). Let Cam find his feet under a new org.

Erving is being asked to do too much thus he can't master one position.
He's having to learn then unlearn.
Right now he just isn't strong enough even to bully around average
D lineman.
He looks slow out of his stance.
He might not be a bust but yet again Farmer blew a
Chance to draft a special player

That is a really good point. I should have recognized that myself, but I didn't even think about it until you brought it up. Then, I started thinking about it and I believe you are correct.

Thanks.

It was a good opportunity to bring it up because it's frustrated me all freaking season. With all these small zippy guys, it's beyond me why we don't do it more often...especially with all the pressure D's are putting on us. It seems like 101 to me. If they rush 5-6 on a pass down, trying to penetrate and stunt, or zone blitz, put it behind the blitz by hitting the 3 steps, hot routes, quick slants, etc. we smoked the Steelers defense doing it last year. This year, we respond to pressure by calling for longer routes.

i think cam is a tackle that is quick for a pass rush off the edge. he`s like a poor mans joe thomas. putting jt against nose tackles wouldn`t be pretty either.

cam was tackle in college. he moved to center later because of injury.

If Erving had never moved to center, he wouldn't have been drafted in this first round.