DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Tailgate Forum The #1 draft pick

Well if that is the case then trade down. You gotta get #1 overall value from that pick, not #7 overall

What really is number #1 value? That's different for every team.

That's not how it works.

If you go BPA , that is exactly how it works

Right, but every team does not have the same board.

Who said they did? I am referring, obviously, to our board. If a QB is our BPA, then we draft him. I just don't like the thought of taking the best of a certain position. That causes you to reach and take a player who is not worth that pick.

Things change when it comes to the quarterback position. Also, no one stays strictly with the best player available strategy. Everyone considers need when making picks.

Ok, how low would the best QB available have to be ranked that you would still take him #1 overall? Especially considering this is a deep QB draft and we would be picking first in the second round

And NE lost their 1st rounder, so the first pick in the 2nd round is #32 in the draft...jus sayin.

2016 NFL Draft order: Cleveland Browns hold on to No. 1 pick

By Dan Kadar

@MockingTheDraft on Nov 22, 2015, 11:56p +
Charles LeClaire-USA TODAY Sports

The Browns didn't even play this week, but they remain holders of the top selection in next year's draft.
Tweet Share (22)
Pin

Despite being on bye this week and the teams in the 2016 NFL Draft order around them losing, the Cleveland Browns maintained their hold on the No. 1 pick.

If the Browns finish with the top pick, it's likely they'd take a quarterback. Although Johnny Manziel has six more games to prove himself as the future with the Browns, a fresh start in Cleveland would likely involve a new starting quarterback. That's why it's so noteworthy that current Browns general manager Ray Farmer was in attendance at the Cal/Stanford game on Saturday night. The main attraction there was Golden Bears quarterback Jared Goff, who had an impressive showing in a loss.

You have to wonder what the Chargers will do next year. San Diego is currently slotted to pick second overall. Would 2016 be the year where they find the successor to Philip Rivers? Even though they lost this week, the Tennessee Titans drop down a spot.

The draft order is based on record, and then overall strength of schedule. If those are the same, conference record then division record are used. If all of that is equal, a coin flip takes place at the NFL Scouting Combine in February.

Here is the current 2016 NFL Draft order (will be updated after Monday's game):

1. Cleveland Browns: 2-8 (.500 strength of schedule)
2. San Diego Chargers: 2-8 (.513 SOS)
3. Tennessee Titans: 2-8 (.519 SOS)
4. Baltimore Ravens: 3-7 (.494 SOS)
5. Detroit Lions: 3-7 (.519 SOS)
6. San Francisco 49ers: 3-7 (.531 SOS)
7. Dallas Cowboys: 3-7 (.544 SOS)
8. Miami Dolphins: 4-6 (.481 SOS - 2-5 in conference)
9. Oakland Raiders: 4-6 (.481 SOS - 4-3 in conference)
10. Jacksonville Jaguars: 4-6 (.487 SOS)
11. St. Louis Rams: 4-6 (.506 SOS - 3-4 in conference)
12. Washington: 4-6 (.506 SOS - 4-3 in conference)
13. Chicago Bears: 4-6 (.513 SOS)
14. Philadelphia Eagles: 4-6 (.525 SOS)
15. New Orleans Saints: 4-6 (.531 SOS)
16. New York Jets: 5-5 (.474 SOS)
17. Seattle Seahawks: 5-5 (.488 SOS)
18. Kansas City Chiefs: 5-5 (.491 SOS)
19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: 5-5 (.500 SOS)
20. Houston Texans: 5-5 (.525 SOS)

Projected to make the playoffs:

21. New York Giants: 5-5 (.506 SOS)
22. Indianapolis Colts: 5-5 (.531 SOS)
23. Buffalo Bills: 5-4 (.513 SOS)
24. Pittsburgh Steelers: 6-4 (.497 SOS)
25. Atlanta Falcons: 6-4 (.500 SOS)
26. Green Bay Packers: 7-3 (.469 SOS)
27. Minnesota Vikings: 7-3 (.488 SOS)
28. Cincinnati Bengals: 8-2 (.447 SOS)
29. Arizona Cardinals: 8-2 (.450 SOS)
30. Denver Broncos: 8-2 (.478 SOS)
31. New England Patriots: 9-0 (.468 SOS) - PICK FORFEITED
32. Carolina Panthers: 10-0 (.463 SOS)
linky dinky

Other than Baltimore and maybe San Francisco, I can't see us winning another game.

This is how I would determine it:

Is this QB at least a league average starter? If yes, draft him. If no, don't draft him.

You would be ok with using the #1 overall pick on a guy who is a average starter?!

Sorry, I want our #1 overall pick to be a beast, at whatever position he plays.

I said at least an average starter at QB. Finding a guy like that puts a team in playoff contention. If he's better than average the team can be very good.

Bridgewater, Carr, Tannehill, Stafford, Cutler, etc. are all very average. Any NFL team, that needs a QB, would take a 22 year old version of those players first overall no questions asked.

Huh?? Most of those guys were found farther down

Really? Is what I said that hard to understand?

Yeah, like Ja'Daveon Clowney.

I don't see it as a real possibility assuming he stays clean. No way the NFL simply says he can't play anymore. Much depends on when he can apply. It's not like the NFL is simply going to stop the presses to hear his appeal. He might not be ready to go game 1. I can see that.

That's a very large assumption.

San Diego won today, leaving only Tennessee with as bad a record as the Browns. They have had an easier schedule, so the Titans have to win again for Cleveland to land the 1st overall. (Or the Browns, as inept as they are, could actually win, and remove themselves from the chance.)

The opponent Memphis faced, SMU, was embarrassingly over matched. The halftime score was 56-0 and Lynch had something like 9 completions, 7 for TD. He was throwing to wide open receivers. Lynch didn't even play in the second half, the final was 63-0.

It was reported (not officially announced) that Memphis's HC, Justin Fuente, will replace Beemer at SC. Earlier reports were that Lynch intends to stay in school, but if his HC is leaving, that probably increases the chance he comes out.

The only way he stays now is if the offensive coordinator is named the new HC.

I hope lynch comes out. I think that so far he is the QB I like the best. He definitely leads his receivers with the ball the best.

I want Lynch to come out just so we have two choices at QB (him and Goff). That way if a team trades in front of us we still can get a guy that is pretty good.

With SD winning today, and assuming we don't blow it by winning another game, the only other team with 2 wins is Tennessee.

Don't worry, we'll find a way to screw this up.

Are all of his receivers ridiculously below average height?

I want zero part of Goff.

Lynch or nothing.

I was initially unimpressed by Goff. The first I saw was the game vs. Utah in which he was picked off 5 times. I think I saw another game that didn't change my mind. However, in his last 3 games he has looked much better. Much more knowledgeable people have pointed out his release, accuracy, pocket presence, and mobility all project well to the NFL. With what I've seen recently, I am inclined to agree. That said, I am still more fascinated with Lynch.

We have, in this discussion, gotten away from talking about QBs other than Lynch, Goff and Cook. I still have not seen Wentz play (will have to look at draft breakdown) and I think that, given time to develop, Jones has an NFL future. Should the Browns go another direction in the first round, those are guys we might be able to target later.

None of these QBs are for sure 1st round talents, I want Bosa in the first and transition the defense to a 4-3 and play him all over the line like Houston does with Watt.

Bosa is a bonehead, at one point I thought he would be JJ Watt, but I dunno now. People seem to forget he was suspended for smoking pot. He LOVES LOVES EDM and goes to festivals frequently.

He is the perfect example of a million dollar body and a ten cent head.The penalties in the State game are absolutely inexcusable. Taking him and passing on Goff could likely lead us to "Braylon over Rodgers" territory.

Rumors are that Cook is not a good leader/teammate (that info comes straight from some MSU players that I personally know) ... FWIW

Thanks. That has been the suspicion about a Senior Qb not being named a captain. Good to get some "concrete" evidence, even if it is in the opposite direction of what we would prefer to hear.

I, and I think most of us, would love some examples if you are able to dig any up.

Just my 2 cents on a few items above:

Bosa has a great motor and skills. I think he'll end up being a super pro. But I'm not sure he's a 3-4 DE or 3-4 OLB. As such, I'm torn on taking him if we had the first pick.

Early in the season, I was up for Goff as a potential early pick, but watching him against good teams was enough for me to drop him from my list as a top 5 choice.

Cook I like more and more as I watch him play more. But, I'm not sure I'd take him #1 or #2 overall.

I haven't seen Lynch play to say anything either way, but from what I've read, there are mixed reviews from teams.

One guy I really like as a mid rounder is Kevin Hogan from Stanford. A friend of mine is their Equipment Manager so I watch a lot of Stanford. He has issues with accuracy on occasion, and a throwing motion that needs adjusted, but the kid plays hard on every play, is smart, can make all of the throws, and a leader.

Not sure what I'd do yet with the first or second overall pick yet...trade down is where I'd go today.

If you don't have a QB, then you need a QB.

Also, Watt plays is a 3-4.