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Please continue the discussion in this thread. I am locking the current thread due to length.

Was Manziel arrested for drinking?

Did he rape a girl?

Did he beat a girl up?

He got benched for drinking? Are you freaking kidding me?

I don't want to see another beer commercial during a NFL game.

I don't want to see beer advertisements at our stadium.

The Browns better stop selling beer during games.

This organization sucks butt. I am so sick of how stupid they are. I won't make this decision why I am emotional, but as of right now...........screw the Browns. I am more than likely done w/this piece of garbage franchise.

I would prefer they lowered the price by $5.00

< Will chant "Johnny" for two tickets to MNF. Pm me

I'm just joining the conversation, so I guess this is a perfect starting point.

I heard the news break over the radio today that Manziel was benched in favor of McCown because of the video leaking of him partying over his bye week.

To me, the move makes sense.

Looking at the bigger picture here, Manziel has been a problem child ever since being drafted...

-Showed up his rookie year completely unprepared and chose not to work hard or take it seriously (he even admitted this near the end of last season).

-Had at least two incidents that involved police. I believe one was where his crew got involved with a drunk fan in his apartment lobby, and the other had to do with him throwing a water bottle at a haggling fan.

-Spent three months in rehab for alcohol addiction.

-Ended up in an alcohol related domestic dispute on the side of the road that involved police.

....and now there's a video that's surfaced of him partying. (I could even be forgetting some things too).

One can argue he's a victim of circumstance, and that none of these things are really his fault or that big of a deal, but the fact is he's not the kind of guy you want as the face of your franchise. How can you ever really trust him to keep his nose clean away from the field when he continues these patterns of questionable decisions off the field?

Playing in the NFL is a privilege, not a right, and he's kind of making a mockery of it. You have to be a professional, and a leader to succeed in this league and succeed at QB, and he's kind of been the exact opposite his entire time here.

We're a 2-8 team ....

We're probably looking at a new regime once the season is over ....

Manziel is probably getting released, and we're probably drafting a QB with our top five pick.

We'll all forget Manziel, and we'll move the hell on.

What a bunch of hypocrites. The guy has never even been busted or suspended by the league. They sell beer out the wazoo. They have beer signs all over the stadium. The beer vendors block you from watching the game. The NFL shows a million beer commercials a year. Tequila commercials. Whiskey commercials.

And they are benching him for drinking during the FREAKING BYE WEEK?!?! HYPOCRITES!!!

I wonder how many other Brown's drank this weekend? Wanna bench them? You wouldn't have enough guys left to field a team. Oh, and I bet Pet drank, too. Can his punk ass for drinking!

What a freaking joke!!!!

Your "facts" are not accurate, which makes them "lies."

I do gotta say this, though................hey YTown, Rish, arch, and others..............you still think we should have taken Johnny over Teddy? Good call, guys.

What gets me .. Is that Pet has been praising him for all his effort on the field, making such large improvements and working hard inside the building..

So throw it all away because the video shows him dancing and laughing ? SMH

How many of our other players just got out of rehab earlier this year though? His problem was bad enough that he needed rehab. What kind of message does it send to the organization and his teammates that he's still drinking and partying?

Every QB coming out will kill to avoid the Brown's now. Every QB with another year eligible will stay in school to avoid the Browns. We'll never get that guy now. Not this year.. The Brown's leadership have tainted the waters for coaches and QB's for years to come.

Can't blame that on Johnny

Manziel's only "sin" was getting caught on video having a good time. It wasn't obscene. It wasn't illegal. A bit on the stupid side, maybe, but hardly the earth shattering violation that his critics would like you to believe.

Pettine didn't want him to play and Johnny handed him an excuse to make that possible. That's on Johnny.

What's on Pettine is being a crappy coach. I thought he had potential but I see none now. Frankly, if I owned the team he and Farmer would be gone as soon as the last playoff team is set. Maybe sooner if the rest of the season is in any way worse than it's been so far.

This does make my decision what to watch on Monday night easier now. Cause I sure as hell ain't watching that cluster**** of a game on ESPN

Nope, and I didn't.

I never said we should. All I've said, ad nauseum, is: we didn't. Does that even register with you? We didn't. Period.

Or.......do you think we should've taken Brady back when we had a chance, or Rodgers, etc.

Hope you don't have me on ignore, cause if you do, bringing my name up was in poor taste.

I agree 100%. I really believe that no matter how hard this kid tries, or how good he performs, as long as Pettine is the coach, he will not get a chance.

IMO, he did nothing, and the media has blown it into a story, and Pettine is buckling to the media pressure.

So he is third string? I bet Josh don't make it to the third quarter. Then Pettine will give a speech about his toughness and leadership, while a first round pick continues to dwell in limbo not getting necessary reps for a good evaluation.

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Exactly. Agree with every word of it.

I am so pissed off right now, there is nothing left to look forward to for 2015. Not a damn thing. Really wanted to see if JFF could develop. Pettine just embarrassed Johnny for no damn good reason, a week before MNF. Guy is allowed to drink on a bye week, didn't do any harm. The NFLPA should step in and at least back him up publicly.

I guarantee I will not watch us on MNF, for the first time maybe ever for me as a Browns fan and a prime time game.
I hate our coaches, I hate our FO I hate farmer and I miss Randy Lerner.

Great points. I agree wholeheartedly.

What I think a lot of it boils down to, is that he was in rehab for three months earlier this year for alcohol abuse/addiction (whatever the hell it really was) and now recently he's been in the news twice in the last six weeks (once involving police) and each time there's been alcohol involved. It might just be a trust issue. Maybe the staff and front office doesn't trust him to avoid self-destructive behavior off the field? and thus they don't want him being the face of the franchise on the field? I understand that having a couple of beers during your week off isn't a big deal, but as I stated earlier, his problem was bad enough that he needed rehab for it, and now he's surfaced in the news twice recently and each time there's been alcohol mentioned.

I tail gate before a game.. does that make me a bad fan ?

Johnny had some fun on a BYE week, I don't see that making him a bad player.

I care about his on field performance.

I guess we will have to wait to see what Manning (as VP) and Tom Moore (as QB Whisperer) think of Johnny next year.

Despite what Johnny has done - everybody says "Brownies gonna Brown" so he will get a third (4th/ 5th) strike.

No W's on the books for Cook?

ESPN just said Johnny is listed as the #3 QB.

People keep bringing up his rehab. He chose to go to rehab. It wasn't mandated by the NFL or the courts. It was his decision. Now, I get that posters will say that the Browns forced him to go, but legally, they can't do that. Prove to me w/actual quotes from the parties involved that it wasn't Johnny's decision. If you can't, you should drop that claim. And I am talking to all y'all, not just whomever I clicked on.

One more time:

Has he been arrested?

Did he beat a woman up?

Did he rape anyone?

Did he bet on games illegally?

Did he expose himself to little kids?

Name one law that he broke?

Tell me that the NFL and the Browns don't reap huge amounts of dollars from soliciting alcohol sales?

Tell me that a good percentage of the other Brown's players were not drinking.

I remember last year when we won a game and Pet was talking about partying afterwards. Tell me that is not hypocritical?

Screw the Browns!!!!

Here's where the problem lies with all of the "opinions".

First, we have no idea if or what type of agreement was reached between the team and JFF. Do people honestly believe that after JFF went through rehab, there wasn't some type of agreement between JFF and the team in regards to conduct?

If so, and yes it's just an opinion that they do/did, should the team continue to ignore him breaking that agreement?

IMO, when a first round draft pick wastes a roster spot for an entire year due to substance abuse, goes through rehab and you agree to keep him on the roster for yet another season, logic seems to dictate that some type of agreement between the two parties was reached on the conduct of that player moving forward.

While I understand he didn't break any laws or at least wasn't caught breaking any laws, that doesn't mean he kept his end of the bargain concerning his conduct.

Now those who say I have no way of knowing if this is true, neither do those denouncing this move know that it's not. I don't know the whole story, but neither do those of you somehow acting as though you do.

In and of itself, JFF didn't get caught for anything illegal. What is true, is that a young man who needed to go to rehab can't stay sober. No matter those who wish to dismiss it, that's a huge red flag to consider when thinking of moving forward with a QB.

I paid a complement to a Bengal fan the other day - I would take Mike Brown over anything we have had ..... And now I have hit another low by agreeing with you.

great instead we'll move backward with no QB... he was our last best chance and now? NOTHING

I am denouncing this move because it was stupid

Let Johnny flame out - could have been 6 games and done if he really was off the wagon and uncommitted.

We have no way to know if the team forced that move or not. I'm not pretending they did just as you should not pretend they didn't. Fact is we have no way of knowing that.



Did any of these other people waste an entire year of their career due to substance abuse and feel the need to go into rehab. You don't see a problem with the future face of your franchise having the ability to stay sober after all of that? Should the NFL not run beer commercials because some in our society can't handle their conduct when they drink? I mean if you felt the need to go to rehab and still drink? DUH!

After what he went through last year, I would find it shocking that some type of agreement concerning his conduct was not reached going into this season.

talk about opiniated...you're opining, spinning, rationalizing, whatever mish mash you call this...why dont all you apologists for this joke of an organization admit the bottom line is you hate JM and dont want him to succeed...kind of like what Limbaugh said about Obama...real classy

Yup. He has me on ignore. What a cool man. Calling someone out and yet not even man enough to handle a reply. That's a big man right there.

I am not saying that I know the Browns didn't ask Johnny to go to rehab, Pit. That isn't what the hell I said.

I said they can't freaking make him go. They may have proposed it, but it was still Johnny's call. You cannot deny that.

Gordon has far more serious offenses, yet he skipped out of rehab after what? Two weeks? LOL

Bro..............I am so sick of this dumpster fire. I'm not kidding.........I think I am done w/them.

Freaking Greg Hardy is starting for the Cowboys. Did you see the pics of the woman he beat, Pit? Most of her body was covered in severe bruises. Winston raped a girl and she was victimized. Gordon has been busted almost as many times as he is years old, yet he was handed a starting position when he returned last year.

Manziel has done none of those things. Not even freaking close.

I am not even a Manziel fan. Damn, people on here rip me all the time because I bring up that we should have drafted Teddy instead of Johnny.

But, what's fair is fair and what's not fair isn't fair. And I will be damned if I will keep silent when there is such an injustice unfolding right before my own freaking eyes.

That's assuming he was really our best chance in the first place. I don't believe we had enough evidence either way to say one way or the other about that.

Unless you believe Pettine is either an idiot or just doesn't like Manziel, this is really the only reasonable explanation.

We should have drafted Carr.

Bridgewater will never win a Super Bowl. Noodle arm, no guts.

Yeah, we saw how that worked out when they played against each other.

Oh wait! You didn't watch the game? Imagine that.

I really believe Pettine is a poor HC. However, I believe it's logical to deduce that there had to be some sort of agreement between JFF and the team going into this season concerning a conduct policy.

How does he have no guts? Have you seen the line he plays behind? And he's still gets it done.

Even if you take out AP from this year, bridge water has still won more games overall since last year.

Y'all hate so hard.

speak for yourself...i hope he goes on to have a HOF career and I'll root for him wherever he goes and the Browns will languish in the basement for at least decade

I have been watching Bridgewater since you last brought it up.

Noodle arm, no guts. I didn't see the need to rub it in your face.

We should have drafted Carr.