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I understand and agree with everything you say here. My statement was me exercising my right to speculate.

How is Hackenberg considered a pro prospect? He's awful. He's stiff and has bad mechanics. No hip pivot. No velocity on his passes.
He's big. That's it. Right?

Hack has aalways been overhyped. Bill Obrien hid is flaws really well.

Goff looks great tonight.

It's a shame that Goffs team sucks.

Really bad. Dropping passes left and right. I still like him the best.

Paxton Lynch is the best prospect to me. He reminds me of Big Ben in the pocket. The guy is hugh and has a big arm. He's my #1 QB at this point, and will probably stay that way.

Best possible scenario for the Browns is Manziel plays well, we win some games, and we aren't in position to draft one of these QBs.

Next best possible scenario is Manziel plays well, we lose, and we auction off the top pick for a Kings ransom. This may be a better scenario than the other one.

The worst scenario is the team is pressured into drafting a QB that isn't a slam dunk because they are picking high or picking first. Ugh.

Is it safe to assume that no prospect in this draft is as good as Winston or Mariotta? If so, and knowing that both QBs have struggled in their rookie years, why would you draft any of these guys coming out?

Winston and Mariota have both been pretty good.

They've had ups and downs. Yes, they've been good overall, but just good.

Same question still stands. Are any of the guys coming out this year better prospects than either of those two?

I think Lynch has the highest upside of any QB in this draft but a spread QB takes time. Right now, I dont know if any of these guys are worthy of a top 10 pick but QBs go much higher than their natural grades. I thought Mariota was late first early 2nd talent. I would not have drafted Winston at all due to all the off the field issues he has had.

The best player in the draft is WR Treadwell from Ole Miss. I think he is the next in the mold of Fitz. Always gets 2 feet down, engulfs the football and while he aint as flashy as many receivers, he makes the more physical plays that most players wont to avoid. He blocks to whistle and sometimes a bit afterward lol.

I never do this because I don't watch college football and well, I never have the time, but I just spent some time watching Goff and Lynch highlights as I lay in bed starting to wake up for the day.

I didn't watch a lot, but here are my initial impressions.

It's impossible to know how Goff will translate to the NFL. I saw lots of bubble screens. I saw a decent arm. I saw some terrible decision making. I saw a guy that is athletic enough to move with his feet, but didn't seem like he would make much happen with his feet either. Maybe there is more tape out there showing that skill set. Seemed like a project to me.

Lynch, to me, seemed like a bigger version of Manziel. Moves good for a guy his size with escapability. Making people miss, not necessarily to run. Plus arm. Saw some NFL throws. Seems like there is something to work with here. Another project but definitely more upside.

I don't think I saw one play from under center from either and I just watched about 10 minutes each of highlight and game cut ups.

We already have a project on the team. My guess is if either one is drafted and this regime survives Manziel is going to be your starter anyway while these guys "learn". If a new regime comes in Manziel will be traded and we start fresh with a new QB.

I would rather start Manziel and draft some playmakers.

In any event, after watching last nights game, I find this all so depressing.

I don't think either are as good as those two, but they don't have to be. Just be not terrible.

If you have to draft a project QB when you'll more than likely have the #1 pick in the draft, you're doing it wrong. And trading the #1 pick sounds good on paper, but is extremely difficult to do, due to the compensation involved.

I don't see really any QB worth a Top 5. I think I take a pass rusher or LB up there and try to trade backup in the bottom for a QB

As for LBs, I've been thinking about Jaylon Smith from Notre Dame in the first, or WR Treadwell in the first and Tyler Matakevich from Temple in the 3rd. Both are listed as OLB by CBS, but play inside for their respective schools.

If we didn't need a QB, I'd love to have Jaylon Smith.

Trading back into the first round is expensive and risky. If there is no QB available when we are picking then there probably isn't one worth drafting late in the first round with a trade up.

Lot of comments above about Manziel starting the rest of the season. What say you now?

I think I would STILL look at highest ranked regardless of position (WR, pass rusher, whatever) but now I'm really thinking we're going QB regardless.

Like so many others , I have come to the conclusion that it really doesn't matter which way we go ; We will screw up !

I absolutely see Paxton Lynch as worthy of a top 5 pick and would take him number one overall without hesitation.

Just based on what I've seen it's either Goff or Lynch for me.

What I have seen this season. QB has not been the problem with the Browns. McCown has played much better than I expected. Manziel has really improved when he is on the field. With that said if we are in position to draft an Andrew Luck the Browns MUST pull the trigger, The Problem is that I do not see any Andrew Luck's in this draft.

These QB's will all still be major question marks.

The defense against the run and no pass rush are our major weakness. I would much rather draft Joey Bosa or Robert Nmdeieke.

The QB has not been the problem. . . but we still need a QB.

Qb hasn't been the problem but there's no future there right now. If we have the opportunity to answer the Qb question for the next ten years then we should take it.

Are you certain there is a player there that can answer the QB question? I don't. I see more question marks.

More QB's that have yet to be under center. Goff and Lynch.

Cook and Hakenburg are pro style but are not sure fire NFL talents.

Jones of OSU has potential but it would be a developmental player.

If we take a QB and miss yet again then where are we?

Day of the Dawg I'm just gonna be honest with you here. You're gonna be waiting a loooong time if you keep waiting for a sure fire QB. Even Andrew Luck has looked bad this year. You've been spoiled watching Brady, Manning, Brees and Rodgers. I'd bet you every penny I've got that their are going to be severely flawed QB prospects until the spread offense is out of college football. You should be focused on guys that are leaders and that are coachable. Carr and Mariota came from spread offenses.


Derek Carr has looked promising, but it's only been 1 year. Teddy Bridgewaters numbers suck. Blake Bortles has been meh. You have to learn to settle for guys ceilings being a top 10-15 QB in comparison to the league.

There are questions about Lynch, but no questions about what he has done. The questions are about whether he can do what has yet to be asked to do. He is very athletic for his size, he has a strong arm yet can throw with touch. He's demonstrated leadership and a feel for the game. He's not a run first QB, but when forced to run, he is hard to bring down. I realize he would have to learn the pro game, but there is nothing about what he has done that suggests that he can't.

"Just based on what I've seen it's either Goff or Lynch for me."
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Why?

When your watching these QB's tehre are certain things you need to look for.

1: Does he make adjustments according to what he sees from the defense presnap. This will show he is a student of the game and he is thinking about where to go with the ball before he even snaps it. This is vital because it will speed up his decision making after the snap.

2: How long does he take after the snap to get rid of the ball. In the NFL you only have 2-3 seconds to get rid of the ball and that's IF you have a good o-line.

3: Does he release the ball above his ear most of the time. There is a lot of complicated throwing techniques but if the is releasing it around his ear then it shows he is not using an over long throwing motion that will slow down his ability to get rid of the ball and it will also help him to not have balls batted down. This is a matter of technique.

4: Pocket presence-Does he show the ability to feel when and where the pressure is coming and show an ability to step up or scramble at the right times to avoid the sack and buy more precious time to throw the ball.

5: Charisma/leadership: Can he will the team to win or does he break down under pressure? This is something that can't always get coached up and improved.

6: Ball Velocity: Of all things this is the least important. Any moron can throw a 20 yard pass and there are VERY few passes that are thrown beyond 20 yards. What we need to know is if on average his balls get passed with some zip to where they need to go. Good velocity in SOME cases can indicate a good throwing technique to long as he gets it where he is going.

7: Accuracy: In college there are so many circumstances that can skew how accurate a QB is. Don't look at the completion percentage and TD to INT ratio. Instead look at the film and watch to see if he leads the receivers or if its all over the place. This is a very important thing to see. If he can't lead WR at even the college level he will never succeed at the pro level.

Give each category 10 points. Anything less than 55 is not worth drafting in round 1.

Lynch has plenty of NFL talent. I think he can grow into a Big Ben clone or more. He has the body to put on more muscle and he is already at 250#. He has a stronger arm than Ben and has touch on the short stuff.One last thing. He won't look like somebody's kid brother out there.

This is not arbitrary at all.

Just a guideline for regular people to watch out for. Not many posters on here are pro scouts or something along those lines. Still those general guidelines I feel are pretty accurate. I know most of the QBs I think will be bust often are and most that I like turn out to be pretty decent.

Lynch has really improved his game a lot. I think he might be the best QB coming out in this next draft. I would be thrilled if we drafted him. I still have more film to analyze before I make up my mind though.

I would not draft cook or goff in the first round with what I have seen so farI might not take cook even in the second round. Neither one of these guys leads the receivers very well with their passes and cook has a very wobbly pass at time.

Don't be a Grinch for Lynch?

We play like Browns we're a cinch for Lynch?

Atticus Finch is for Lynch, why not us?

We've had our wench, time for lynch.

Goff went nuts in the 2nd half yesterday

Memphis' Coach Fuente most likely leaving for Va Tech job.

http://espn.go.com/ncf/story/_/id/14242704/justin-fuente-become-virginia-tech-hokies-coach

I'm guessing this will have a big effect on Lynch's decision on whether to stay for his senior year or not, in the direction of leaving.