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Yea, I thought it sounded familiar.

It's people who get awarded a meaningless recognition like "Hall of Famer" who feel entitled to antagonize others on a forum.

WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!

Well it beats the heck out of a Participation Trophy!

Same difference except participation says, "Participation" whereas your effort has been given an entitling label of "HALL OF FAMER!!!!"

You don't even have to get off your butt. You just sit in your boxers and wife beater with the sense of entitlement to pick forum fights.

I'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!

All I gotta do is give a Common Sense opinion on a subject and that instantly makes me a Troll and fight picker on this Board.

At least the Board Moderators recognize Genius when they hand out the awards.

Every time you congratulate yourself the terrorists win.

THANKS OBAMA!!!!

Just like Adrian Peterson!

Just like people in your life should have done to you.

Violence against children must stop and not be deflected and projected on others we deem "deserve" it. Most would assert, including the law, that applies to Adrian Peterson as well as you.

University president rebukes 'self-absorbed, narcissistic' students

A chapel sermon on love left a student at Oklahoma Wesleyan University feeling “offended” and “victimized.”

But instead of capitulating to the offended young scholar, OWU President Everett Piper pushed back with a blistering rebuke of what he called “self-absorbed and narcissistic” students.

“This is not a day care. This is a university,” he wrote in a blog that has since gone viral.

Back home in Tennessee, we call that a “Come to Jesus” moment.

“Our culture has actually taught our kids to be this self-absorbed and narcissistic,” he wrote. “Any time their feelings are hurt, they are victims! Anyone who dares challenge them and, thus, makes them ‘feel bad’ about themselves, is a ‘hater,’ a ‘bigot,’ an ‘oppressor,’ and a ‘victimizer.’”

Oh behalf of a grateful nation, I say, thank you, Dr. Piper.

It’s refreshing to see a grown man with advanced degrees willing to stand up to a generation of perpetually-offended nincompoops and bullies.

Dr. Piper’s brilliant take on the current state of affairs on college campuses came about after a student complained about a chapel sermon on 1 Corinthians 13 – the Bible’s love chapter.

The student felt offended because the “homily on love made him feel bad for not showing love,” he explained. “In his mind, the speaker was wrong for making him, and his peers, feel uncomfortable.”

Dr. Piper offered some wise advice for the young man.

“If you want the chaplain to tell you you’re a victim rather than tell you that you need virtue, this may not be the university you’re looking for,” he wrote. “If you want to complain about a sermon that makes you feel less than loving for not showing love, this might be the wrong place.”

Hallelujah!

For weeks we’ve watched academically-castrated university presidents capitulate to the outrageous demands of students.

But finally – there’s a Christian university willing to stand up and say, “Enough!”

“The bottom line is that at the end of the day I would argue that college is not about safe spaces or being a safe place,” Dr. Piper told me in a telephone interview. “OWU is not a safe place.”

He said the nation’s universities should be ashamed for educating a culture of “selfish individuals.”

“The university needs to recognize that our obligation is to challenge bad thinking and bad ideas and not coddle individuals in their self-absorption and narcissism,” he said.

The modern-day collegian is a fragile snowflake – who needs psychological help for such atrocities as reading the works of a white author or attending Taco Night at the campus dining hall.

Humorous? You bet!

Dangerous? Absolutely.

A recent Pew Research poll revealed that 40 percent of millennials support a crackdown on offensive speech.

Dr. Piper warned that could set the stage for a problem that transcends college campuses.

“Do we want ideological fascism or do we want intellectual freedom and academic freedom,” he asked. “Because really what we have right now is an argument for ideological fascism. You must submit. You must agree. You must be one of us. And if you don’t, we will silence you. We will crush you.”

The nation needs more academic leaders like Dr. Piper – a grownup willing to say what needs to be said to coddled collegians.

It’s time to put on your big-boy pants, kids.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/11/3...ml?intcmp=hpbt4

Hey, those students have a right to be offended. After all, they learn the very air they expel is hazardous to life as we know it.

Kind of makes you wish a few of them would stop polluting so much and shut up.

"Be the change you wish to see in the world."

Good for Everett Piper. Hopefully people back him up instead of demanding he be fired as there will probably be some whiny babies out there who can't handle that direct of a message. Universities are supposed to prepare people for the real world. My opinion is that they generally do not do a very good job of that but I like where he is going with this and people who listen and take his words to heart are far better off than those who want to be coddled.

Dr. Piper is very popular around here, no one is calling for head head that I've heard.

That is good. I had never heard of the guy before reading the article that 40 posted but I'd be interested in hearing more of what he says.

Instead of reading about it, hear it in Dr. Pipers own words.

He does a Friday morning interview each week on a local radio station. This is Dr. Piper talking about this event on 11/20.

Dr. Piper

It is high time the Grownups put their collective foot down on this Society and began to fix it. Too many self proclaimed victims, too many looking for government to do for them instead of doing for themselves. Too many excuses for bad behavior.
This is a good start. Political Correctness will be the death of our Society and of our freedoms. Time to shut up and put on our big boy pants! Time to get out of the wagon and help push!

Go Dr. Piper!

I have little different view..maybe not:/ The liberal turds have taken over academia..from elementary to college..spewed their garbage for 40 yrs or better now..

And are unhappy the generation coming up has listened is coddled and arent allowed and cant accept their 100 thousand$ degree in history is basically worthless and to do work like plumbers and other labor jobs means they are a loser..your chickens have come home to roost professors eat it and enjoy your success youve earned it.

I did read the article and agree with it.

The problem is, as a Society, we all end up eating it.

Well i guess parents should've been more engaged with their child's education...never ounce told my child what to believe..just took a lot of the garbage their teachers was trying to ingrain in them give them a different view point and let them make up their own mind.

And had to step in with some moonbat teachers that didnt like opposing view points from the kids and made smart ass responses about them to the whole class and tried to brow beat them into agreeing.

Thats when I really noticed the take over of the schools was when my children attended..and in more then 1 state..so it wasn't just a district/school problem its freaking wide spread.

Thank God they have at least a small part of their fathers genetic code in them..they don't get bullied very easily.

I'm also encouraging my son to do private school or home schooling for my grandchildren present and future ones. Its one gift financially I'm willing to do for my grandchildren..if thats what my sons want to do.

Its part of the reason wife and I moved from a middle class neighborhood that was filled with the local school teachers and union folks.

Took 2 steps up built in that community and never looked back. An while Ive wrote about my initial problems of fitting in with the higher level life style/income people..it beat the hell out of where was living and being surrounded by what seemed like people who blindly follow left far left beliefs.

But thats a whole other topic.

I wish I could stand to isolate myself in an idealist echochamber where I refused to consider viewpoints other than mine.

But it seems like you do..Your left leaning opinion isnt anymore valid/right then some right leaning opinion.

GO Browns

I held my breath while typing, and I don't believe the climate change crap anyway.

Also if that was directed to me then direct it to me..won't hurt my feelings. But I'm not subjecting my grandchildren to moonbat teachers if it can be avoided...and it seems like the moonbats are out in full force in academia.

Was the case with the college I attended which was a top notch university and was most definitely the case where my children went to school.

So if that means they are living in an echo chamber so be it..and not ashamed of what I said either.Teacher should teach the class material not put in their personal opinion and then try to embarrass or brow beat the student into compliance.

I've stated many times on here opposing view point are great and needed..If we all had like minds we would never grow...but damn don't make me out to be a lunatic..radical right wing conservative when I dont agree with left leaning ideology.

Even if not directed to me I still stand behind what I wrote.

Go Browns

Me either..you radical right wing extremest..me not you Erik

Considering opinions and bowing to the demands of spoiled kids are two different things..

recently at UNC Chapel Hill, they were having a forum on race relations when a group (mostly black) barged in and took control of the room and read off their 25 demands... you can find the demands on line if you want, I'm not going to promote their cause.. but among them was firing the President.. and they wanted input into the hiring of the next President... because, you know, they have all kinds of experience in knowing what credentials to look for to become President of a major college system.. \

I thought you were.

I'm not right wing. I'm an anti-federalist.

I'm not Right Wing, I'm just Right!

and you're winging it.

Yea, Dat!

College presidents beginning to speak out finally. Students need to grow a pair, grow up and realize this is real life not day care.

If you want to be pampered, then select your college carefully and stop complaining.

I second the motion!

Interestingly enough, this showed up in my fb feed this morning. It was shared by a former colleague of mine, now a tenured college professor, and Dean of his department.

After reading some of you Dawgs' opinions regarding college teachers, I thought this might add a layer of nuance to the discussion. Apparently, it ain't all on the teachers. Parents have to shoulder their share of the weight, as well....

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Are We Raising a Generation of Helpless Kids?

Warning signs

When a college freshman received a C- on her first test, she literally had a meltdown in class. Sobbing, she texted her mother who called back, demanding to talk to the professor immediately (he, of course, declined). Another mother accompanied her child on a job interview, then wondered why he didn't get the job.

A major employer reported that during a job interview, a potential employee told him that she would have his job within 18 months. It didn't even cross her mind that he had worked 20 years to achieve his goal.

Sound crazy?

Sadly, the stories are all true, says Tim Elmore, founder and president of a non-profit, Growing Leaders, and author of the "Habitudes®" series of books, teacher guides, DVD kits and survey courses. "Gen Y (and iY) kids born between 1984 and 2002 have grown up in an age of instant gratification. iPhones, iPads, instant messaging and immediate access to data is at their fingertips," he says. "Their grades in school are often negotiated by parents rather than earned and they are praised for accomplishing little. They have hundreds of Facebook and Twitter 'friends,' but often few real connections."

To turn the tide, Growing Leaders is working with 5,000 public schools, universities, civic organizations, sports teams and corporations across the country and internationally to help turn young people -- particularly those 16 to 24 -- into leaders. "We want to give them the tools they lack before they've gone through three marriages and several failed business ventures," he says.

But why have parents shifted from teaching self-reliance to becoming hovering helicopter parents who want to protect their children at all costs?

"I think it began in the fall of 1982, when seven people died after taking extra-strength Tylenol laced with poison after it left the factory," he says. Halloween was just around the corner, and parents began checking every item in the loot bags. Homemade brownies and cookies (usually the most coveted items) hit the garbage; unwrapped candy followed close behind.

That led to an obsession with their children's safety in every aspect of their lives. Instead of letting them go outside to play, parents filled their kid's spare time with organized activities, did their homework for them, resolved their conflicts at school with both friends and teachers, and handed out trophies for just showing up.

"These well-intentioned messages of 'you're special' have come back to haunt us," Elmore says. "We are consumed with protecting them instead of preparing them for the future. We haven't let them fall, fail and fear. The problem is that if they don't take risks early on like climbing the monkey bars and possibly falling off, they are fearful of every new endeavor at age 29."

Psychologists and psychiatrists are seeing more and more young people having a quarter-life crisis and more cases of clinical depression. The reason? Young people tell them it's because they haven't yet made their first million or found the perfect mate.

Teachers, coaches and executives complain that Gen Y kids have short attention spans and rely on external, instead of internal motivation. The goal of Growing Leaders is to reverse the trend and help young people become more creative and self-motivated so they can rely on themselves and don't need external motivation.

Family psychologist John Rosemond agrees. In a February 2 article in the Atlanta Journal Constitution, he points out that new research finds that rewards often backfire, producing the opposite effect of that intended. When an aggressive child is rewarded for not being aggressive for a short period of time, he is likely to repeat the bad behavior to keep the rewards coming.

Where did we go wrong?

• We've told our kids to dream big - and now any small act seems insignificant. In the great scheme of things, kids can't instantly change the world. They have to take small, first steps - which seem like no progress at all to them. Nothing short of instant fame is good enough. "It's time we tell them that doing great things starts with accomplishing small goals," he says.

• We've told our kids that they are special - for no reason, even though they didn't display excellent character or skill, and now they demand special treatment. The problem is that kids assumed they didn't have to do anything special in order to be special.

• We gave our kids every comfort - and now they can't delay gratification. And we heard the message loud and clear. We, too, pace in front of the microwave, become angry when things don't go our way at work, rage at traffic. "Now it's time to relay the importance of waiting for the things we want, deferring to the wishes of others and surrendering personal desires in the pursuit of something bigger than 'me,'" Elmore says.

• We made our kid's happiness a central goal - and now it's difficult for them to generate happiness -- the by-product of living a meaningful life. "It's time we tell them that our goal is to enable them to discover their gifts, passions and purposes in life so they can help others. Happiness comes as a result."

The uncomfortable solutions:

"We need to let our kids fail at 12 - which is far better than at 42," he says. "We need to tell them the truth (with grace) that the notion of 'you can do anything you want' is not necessarily true."

Kids need to align their dreams with their gifts. Every girl with a lovely voice won't sing at the Met; every Little League baseball star won't play for the major leagues.

• Allow them to get into trouble and accept the consequences. It's okay to make a "C-." Next time, they'll try harder to make an "A".

• Balance autonomy with responsibility. If your son borrows the car, he also has to re-fill the tank.

• Collaborate with the teacher, but don't do the work for your child. If he fails a test, let him take the consequences.

"We need to become velvet bricks," Elmore says, "soft on the outside and hard on the inside and allow children to fail while they are young in order to succeed when they are adults."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/Mickey-goodman/are-we-raising-a-generati_b_1249706.html

Well said Clem.

Something a little closer to home for all of us is the life and times of Johnny Football. A kid who grew up entitled. Entitled to miss meetings and be late for practice because on Saturday he was the hero and made everyone happy and others a lot of money. It didn't matter if he partied till all hours as long as he was the hero on game day.

He never faced the consequences for his misbehavior. He never learned the effects it had on those around him.

His greatest dream was to be an NFL QB and he has all but blown it. Today he is our problem. Today we work to raise a man who should have been raised as a child.

Unfortunately, it just keeps getting moved back. "Back in the day" elementary school was for kids and you really needed to start being accountable when you got to junior high or middle school... then middle school started being more like elementary school and you didn't start getting held accountable until high school... now they are trying to push it from HS to college... is it really a surprise? As this generation grows in the job force, expect it to go from college to employment... They aren't going to change just because they got a year older or moved on to the next level of life. If you feel entitled, you take it with you until somebody stands up to you...

Anyone remember at the beginning of obummer's first term when he was saying some should step aside to give the younger generation a chance? Come and take it you snot nosed little brats. I earned what I got, time for you to earn yours.

Yes, they are being set up to fail. My wife and I have had several arguments over this over the years. She's very protective over our kids, while I feel they need to learn for themselves. If they never get that drive, they will never strive to achieve anything in life. May as well give them 'lifetime participation trophies' on their tombstones.

Before too long, we'll live in a society where plumbers make a lot more than doctors or engineers.

Good article Clem. I agree with its overriding point. It's well-intentioned. There are a couple specifics it goes wrong on though IMO. A couple that stood out:


Never heard of this, very sad story but I doubt this has much of an effect on modern day parenting. Certainly I think the time frame is interesting although I think it has more to do with technology and how the world is changing in general. In the linked post, I talk a lot about video games and that is certainly part of it but it really is a lot of other things. For example, internet really starated becoming widespread in the 90s, when kids who were born in the 80s were still kids. And every year, more people use it, for longer periods of time, while it continues to evolve, there's more stuff to do on it, etc.


This is not something wrong, in my opinion. There's nothing wrong with dreaming big. In fact, people should dream big! Now believe in them and start working on them.

Almost anybody can change their own circumstances for the better. Well I think that is true for pretty much anybody who is able-bodied and able-minded anyway. But, you have to be willing to pay the price, and that's where some of the author's other (better) points come in. It's easy to watch 5 hours of TV a day. That's average, typical, 'normal'. It's not so convenient to learn something new or start a business-- things that may not pay dividends for months or more down the road.


meh. That all sounds good and are reasonable enough points. I don't really disagree with them but they all kind of lack substance to me. The real, meaningful solutions are for more uncomfortable than the ones listed. Succinctly: get kids to spend much less time in front of rectangular screens, and much more time doing meaningful activities, learning, and building various skills.

Nnnn

Agree. Dream big. We, as parents, need to be sure we teach what it is is that our children will need to do to achieve that dream. Operative words are "our children" not what Mommy and Daddy will do but what our children will need to do to stay on course to their goal of the big dream.