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This is my sentiment as well. Until the government gets it's act together and enforces the current laws on the books, even more laws are pointless. I wish those who promote gun control would be just as focused on expecting the current laws to be enforced first. Accountability before further restrictions.

See Pit you radical lefty you:)) You can find common ground with this radical right winger

And so nobody gets confused I'm joking with Mr. Pit.

Your belief in it doesn't make it less credible. It's mainly because this problem doesn't really exist and you're making a mountain out of a molehill that makes everything less credible. You've actually taken a pretty moderate stance of the position and labeled it as "right winged"

You'll find I'll agree with you a lot of times. A lot of times probably not as well.



I'm a staunch moderate. lol

I have done no such thing..making a mountain out of mole hill..I'm against abortion in the context I cited..otherwise woman go abort all you want..which if you are prolife that person is being labeled as a right wing extremist and goes around killing planned parenthood's.

Ive been called radical right winger for my stance on things..and showed that this particular radical right winger which Ive... you know been called... is not in line with the crazy right wingers on abortion.

So if I misread you mea culpa

But quite honestly i think youve missed read me sooooo...it is what it is

As a communist I can fully guarantee that Pit is a liberal :v He constantly quotes Noam Chomsky to me in PM's

I know Pit it was a joke bud..

I've read alinsky's rules for radicals and got called some choice words by a friend for even reading it..so I guess now I'm a community organizer and a democrat

Actually I was thinking along the lines of;

Q. Are there non-powerful weapons?
A. Your girl told me about one.

Considering that in this country left starts at RINO there's no telling who's where, except the super-radical conservatives who claim that the left starts at RINO.

Conservatives and liberals approach almost every issue with completely different philosophies, underlying assumptions, and methods. That's why it's so hard to find genuine compromise between conservatism and liberalism -- because not only are liberals almost always wrong, their solutions almost always make things worse.

With that in mind, let me take a few moments to explain some of the key differences between liberals and conservative to you.

Bonus) Conservatives believe that judges should act like umpires instead of legislating from the bench. That means that judges should determine whether laws are permissible under the Constitution and settle debates about the meaning of laws, not impose their will based on their ideological leanings. Liberals view judges as a backdoor method of getting unpopular left-leaning legislation passed. They don't want umpires, they want political partisans in black robes who will side with them first and then come up with a rationale to explain it.

10) Conservatives believe that individual Americans have a right to defend themselves and their families with guns and that right cannot be taken away by any method short of a Constitutional Amendment, which conservatives would oppose. Liberals believe by taking arms away from law abiding citizens, they can prevent criminals, who aren't going to abide by gun control laws, from using guns in the commission of crimes.

9) Conservatives believe that we should live in a color blind society where every individual is judged on the content of his character and the merits of his actions. On the other hand, liberals believe that it's ok to discriminate based on race as long as it primarily benefits minority groups.

8) Conservatives are capitalists and believe that entrepreneurs who amass great wealth through their own efforts are good for the country and shouldn't be punished for being successful. Liberals are socialists who view successful business owners as people who cheated the system somehow or got lucky. That's why they don't respect high achievers and see them as little more than piggy banks for their programs.

7) Conservatives believe that abortion ends the life of an innocent child and since we believe that infanticide is wrong, we oppose abortion. Most liberals, despite what they'll tell you, believe that abortion ends the life of an innocent child, but they prefer killing the baby to inconveniencing the mother.

6) Conservatives believe in confronting and defeating enemies of the United States before they can harm American citizens. Liberals believe in using law enforcement measures to deal with terrorism, which means that they feel we should allow terrorists to train, plan, and actually attempt to kill Americans before we try to arrest them -- as if you can just send the police around to pick up a terrorist mastermind hiding in Iran or the wilds of Pakistan.

5) Conservatives, but not necessarily Republicans (which is unfortunate), believe it's vitally important to the future of the country to reduce the size of government, keep taxes low, balance the budget, and get this country out of debt. Liberals, and Democrats for that matter, believe in big government, high taxes, and they have never met a new spending program they didn't like, whether we will have to go into debt to pay for it or not.

4) Conservatives believe that government, by its very nature, tends to be inefficient, incompetent, wasteful, and power hungry. That's why we believe that the government that governs least, governs best. Liberals think that the solution to every problem is another government program. Even when those new programs create new problems, often worse than the ones that were being fixed in the first place, the solution is always....you guessed it, another government program.

3) Conservatives are patriotic, believe that America is a great nation, and are primarily interested in looking out for the good of the country. That's why we believe in "American exceptionalism" and "America first." Liberals are internationalists who are more concerned about what Europeans think of us and staying in the good graces of the corrupt bureaucrats who control the UN than looking out for the best interests of this nation.

2) Conservatives, most of them anyway, believe in God and think that the Constitution has been twisted by liberal judges to illegitimately try to purge Christianity from the public square. We also believe, most of us anyway, that this country has been successful in large part because it is a good, Christian nation and if our country ever turns away from the Lord, it will cease to prosper. Liberals, most of them anyway, are hostile to Christianity. That's why, whether you're talking about a school play at Christmas time, a judge putting the Ten Commandments on the wall of his court, or a store employee saying "Merry Christmas" instead of "Happy Holidays," liberals are dedicated to driving reminders of Christianity from polite society.

1) Conservatives believe in pursuing policies because they're pragmatic and because they work. Liberals believe in pursuing policies because they're "nice" and make them feel good. Whether the policies they're advocating actually work or not is of secondary importance to them.

http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawki...erals/page/full

What truly separates Conservatives and Liberals is that you can't feed a conservative after midnight.

j/c, Dawgs.

this quote was typed on page 2 of this thread. It's from a poster whom I like and respect:



Now that he's been quoted as saying "no more baby parts," can we all agree that this guy killed multiple people for an ideal? A political point of view?

Because if we can agree on these basic facts, I don't see where any of us could NOT view this as an act of terror.

We have a public facility that provides scores of different health services to some of the poorest and most vulnerable American citizens out there. For many, this is the only health care they get. And now, they risk their lives even pulling up into the parking lot.

These places have been bombed, burned by arsonists, shot at...

I don't care which side of this abortion debate any of you fall on. I could not care less which 'team' you identify with as your tribe. This was a terrorist act. I'm not judging your values, moral stances or political ideology, I'm judging the acts of this man. And those who blew up other clinics and murdered doctors are in the same boat. They are all terrorists... and here's why, in the sinplest terms I can use:

They wanted their actions to make large numbers of people think twice about going there. They wanted their actions to make people fearful.

Like a Paris street cafe.
Like a church in South Carolina.
Like an entire school of girls in Africa.
Like a fancy hotel in Mumbai, India.
Like a high-rise building complex in the heart of New York's financial district.

They are all the same. Only their ideology differs. The goal and end results are the same. Exactly the same.

I don't see how I can make this any plainer. Or describe it with any more logic or reason.

If you can't get this, maybe we should agree to meet in a different thread about something else.


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I'm done.
I'm out.
Peace.

And I wasn't even considering the opportunity for snark. I must have had my mind on other things, as usually I'm rather snarky and condescending (that means talking to people as if they are of lower intelligence).

snark
noun
Combination of "snide" and "remark". Sarcastic comment(s).
Also snarky (adj.) and snarkily (adv.)

I'm sure you already knew what snark meant.

The only thing that slowed this guy down was that he had to drive so far to find a women's healthcare provider that hadn't been closed down already.

Yeah because the libby is already a Ghoulie

I don't think it had anything to do with how far he had to drive. I think he was upset when they turned him down to do a mammogram on his man boobs.

Don't they call those MANograms?

I wonder if people realize that PP does relatively minimum abortions compared to all the other services they provide.

It's also illegal for the government to fund abortions. Everybody that goes in there pays out of their own pocket.

Which is why I said I'm not against pp and my wife went there early in our marriage to get on birth control..which was free at that time..and if it wasnt free it was something stupid like 5$

And in my post I didnt say pp performed the abortion but sent the people out who do perform them.

and like I also said abort away if thats what the female wants to do..but here is the 5th time ive mentioned it CHS That partial birth stuff I'll never agree to unless its life saving for the mother..and don't give a damn if its .000001% of the abortions performed...one other thing while I'm thinking about it..I also don't agree with the prolife people life begins at conception and shouldnt be allowed to abort at all.

also the video of the lady from pp talking about selling baby parts made me sick to my stomach .

Stem cell research I believe in...but damn what that lady in the video said was disgusting.

Facts about partial birth

How often is the D&X procedure performed?

According to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, an abortion-rights research group that conducts surveys of the nation's abortion doctors, about 15,000 abortions were performed in the year 2000 on women 20 weeks or more along in their pregnancies; the vast majority were between the 20th and 24th week. Of those, only about 2,200 D&X abortions were performed, or about 0.2 percent of the 1.3 million abortions believed to be performed that year.

And contrary to the claims of some abortion opponents, most such abortions do not take place in the third trimester of pregnancy, or after fetal "viability." Indeed, when some members of Congress tried to amend the bill to ban only those procedures that take place after viability, abortion opponents complained that would leave most of the procedures legal.

Under what health circumstances are D&X abortions performed?

There is currently no statistical information available on why "dilation and extraction" abortions are performed.

In a widely-publicized interview with The New York Times in 1997, Ron Fitzsimmons, executive director of the National Coalition of Abortion Providers, estimated that in the majority of cases, the procedure is performed on a healthy mother and healthy fetus that is 20 weeks or more along in development.

Yet the procedure is also performed in cases where the woman's health is at risk, or when the fetus shows signs of serious abnormalities, some of which don't become apparent until late in pregnancy.

My wife keeps telling me ONE of us who posts here is a real idiot.

I am thinking of getting a tatoo of a nice firm pair of pecs done over my man boobs.

Just be glad that as men we don't have to have our junk stuck into a machine and smashed between two plates.

Bubba you're no idiot..pass that one on to your wife from FBHO71

But there are some real simple minded posts on here for sure.

...yeah, someone even started a thread titled:

"Just a test to see if I'm an idiot"

hahaha I read this place daily have for years and mustve missed that one.

PP doesn't do that either.

Thankfully I don't think anyone does.

Horse Hockey!
He also said "I gots a hairy armpit, Aliens ate my lunch, and must go poo poo."

Wacker, just another Wacker.

but if he screamed "allah akbar" it be a terrorist attack.

double standards.

No, in that case he would be a Dink.

a refugee dink?

Here's a thought for all of us to consider:
the 2 aren't necessarily mutually exclusive.

It doesn't have to be one or the other.

This dude could be both crazy AND perform an act of terror.

In fact, a case could be made that all acts of terror are born from some form of crazy. With all the available options folks have, they choose mass killings, blowing up buildings and suicide?

Sounds crazy enough to me (and most others, I'd bet).
Doesn't make them any less terrifying either, does it?

They are all the same. And folks shouldn't feel compelled to do backflips trying to differentiate this guy just because he killed in the name of some ideal you support. He's not worth it. And do you know why?

...because YOU aren't a terrorist.

You've chosen to represent your beliefs through words- in civilized debate. You've chosen to represent your beliefs through action- in the way you vote. You've chosen to work within the system to promote your ideals.

That's what makes you better than he.
Dude snuffed out folks for a political cause... but he's not on your team.

You play for Team Morality.
He plays for Team Mortality.

see the distinction?
I do.

I can actually let my brain go to that place where the distinction makes a huge difference.

THE ACT DEFINES THE PERSON. Not the ideology.

A refugee that's double income no kids? Do they bring their two BMW's too?

Horse Hockey!

The ideal I support is to stop the wholesale slaughter of the innocent while this wacker slaughtered the innocent!

Why do you feel so Terrorized? You are mostly upset because he killed people who's Ideals you support. He's not worth it, and do you know why?
...because HE is not a Terrorist, he is a Wacker!

Dude shot up a bunch of people because he was a wacker. I don't think he had the brain function to plot and plan this attack. He lashed out at a crowd and that crowd happened to be at PP.

He just as easily could have turned right and went into the shopping center but he turned left. Perhaps he saw a bunch of women and felt safer heading to PP.

Dude shot up a bunch of people because he was a wacker. I don't think he had the brain function to plot and plan this attack.

Thats my thinking SO FAR..but I can see why Clem or others see it the way they do

So do I.

thank you, FB.