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Now Spergeon! Now Luke! Now Ken, and Grad! On Brian! On Connor! On Austin and Thad!

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Now throw away! Throw away!
Throw away...dang!

That is some of the funniest most unexpected stuff I have read!

I made a minor tweak to improve the ending

Love that argument. It's the old stand-by when you really don't have an answer.

How many yards did JM throw for against the Steelers? Are you saying that games shouldn't count and we should only rely on what a guy does during practice? And man............none of us have any idea what he is doing in practice, so save that stupid argument for someone who doesn't have a clue.

That's weird because he's only started three games. If they think they know what Manziel is after only three starts, then they are even more dumber than we all thought.

As a Hall of Famer, with 3107 posts, I'm sure you've expressed a few OPINIONS on this board as well.
I certainly hope that everyone that disagreed with your opinion didn't flash that line at you.

Just inferring that every NFL organization are a smart, well oiled machine is ridiculous. It's painfully obvious that things are terribly dysfunctional at this point, with no relief in sight. As a matter of fact, this mess my set us back another 3-5 yrs.

With no clear answer at QB & the reluctance to find out, throw in O'Neil's defence, predictable mass free agent exodus etc, you don't have to be an NFL individual to see the decisions made today will handicap this organization for a long time. JMHO

I didn't think I was presenting an argument, just suggesting that its entirely possible that the Browns know exactly "what they have" in Manziel. And as far as the Pittsburgh game goes, let me know when scoreboards start tallying yards instead of points. Until then its just sports talk.

Good points.

I guess my point is that he sure didn't look prepared to handle that 2 minute drill.

I'm not blaming his specifically because he was put in a rough situation. I just don't wanna hear BS from Pet how the guy was so prepared. He fell to pieces in the 2 minute drill.

I like you, Dave...........so I wanna be careful here not to insult you or hurt your feelings.

Some guys are better in games than practice.

We also do NOT know if he sucks in practice.

This could be a personality issue. Have you even considered that possibility?

Sports talk? What are we supposed to do on here?

Are you really blaming him for us losing the Steeler game?

Did he win the Titan game? Or was that a team win?

Glad you responded, that post in conjunction with the line I responded to when that card was played support each other and was exactly where I was coming from.
Anybody can be questioned and the line of "hey they work in the NFL and you don't" is usually thrown out to support your own opinion and typically denigrate someone else's. I'd Much prefer if points were disputed with legitimate and reasoned debate. The above practice is like some kind of lazy ass playing of the "I win this debate" card and that, Daman, is the point I was making and you missed

1. Definitely, there's a personality issue. The coach is basically begging him to do nothing more than "keep a low profile and don't embarrass the organization.". He promises, and then does exactly what he promised NOT to do, then recruits his posse to support the lie he ends up telling Pettine. Trust lost, the kid's a con man, but not a good con man.

2. Sports talk is fine, and yes, its what we do here. But people equating 370 yards passing, when it was clear that the Steelers were conceding the short-medium pass, inside the hashes, and then bearing down hard in the red zone, is not the same as a clutch, winning performance.

3. I absolutely do not blame him for losing the Steeler game, just noting that we scored 9 freaking points in a 3-score loss.

4. He threw two really nice TD passes in the Titans game - I think if you look back at that post-game thread you'll see my comment to that effect - but no, he didn't win the Titans game alone.

It's funny you bring that TEN game up. They did that little highlight reel of Manziel and included was one of the deep passes to Benjamin that I was ragging on at the time and I shook my head to see him slow down, change direction twice and just barely out run the defender. Then lo and behold Austin threw essentially the same pass and hit Benjamin in the hands and in stride. I couldn't help but contrast the two and then think about our little talks on here.

I don't think that Davis will be our answer at QB but the difference between him and Manziel when it came to playing the position was night and day. Manziel feels frenetic and scattered while Davis was under control and focused.

It is impossible to believe that Manziel's issues are due to a personality conflict with the coaching staff. That just doesn't make any sense especially in light of the fact that Pettine named him the damn starter until Manziel again proved that he can't be trusted. If you think not rewarding a guy who you can't trust to be a personality issue then I guess in your eyes that's what it is, I just call it accountability.

Alrighty...........It's all Johnny's fault.

In Johnny's defense... He did write his own destiny. He chose this path. That said, it's still an overreaction by an Organization that's trying to retain authoritarian power while on a sinking ship.

That said, Austin Davis deserves his shot now.

You have got to be kidding me or trolling. One or the other, because if you can't see that Manziel being a substance abuser and a liar is the root cause of all of his difficulties getting on the field then I don't know what to tell you. (I'm even leaving out my belief in the limitations of this physical skills out of this discussion.)

Yeah, I am a troll. Even though I have had season tickets for over 30 years and joined the Browns board back in 2001. Oh, and I used to drive 600 miles one way to go the games for the last 5 years when I had season tix. But yeah.........I am a troll because I don't agree w/you.

Take a hike.

Btw........don't tell me anything. You are so freaking biased when it comes to Manziel that I really don't wanna hear a freaking word that comes out of your mouth.

I was waiting for Pettine to say "gives us the best chance to win"

Good luck Austin Davis!

Was so mad I forgot to support the guy and it's not his fault.

That is what kills me.......he says stuff like that and while Davis played pretty good at first, he clearly was overwhelmed in the two-minute drill and his lack of ability to manage the clock was a huge factor in us not winning the game.

I believe JM would have had a better understanding of how to manage the clock. He did it over and over and over again in college. The moment was never too big for him.

Can you imagine the outrage if JM had managed the clock at the end of the game like Davis did? Hundreds of posters would be calling for us to cut him immediately.

Davis does it........and we get.........he was prepared and played well. LMAO>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's freaking amazing how whacked Pet and so many of these guys are. If you were writing a realistic fiction book, the critics would scoff that the story had no basis in reality and therefore was terrible literature.

And here we are.............living through a very real non-fictional story that boggles the minds of anyone w/a clue.

More Manziel talk, even in Austin's thread lol.

We signed this kid to an extension, can't we least be a little excited to see more of his play?

If we have something on the field, then we don't need to worry about a picture of Austin with a rolled up dollar bill, talking into a money wad, going to rehab and then not only endulging being on the camera, but doing so after making promises to members of the organization (however bad they are) and really the list continues.

I'm more happy to see Austin than JF. I'd say just trade/cut him if you're not going to play him/accept he's a media nightmare. It's clear you're NOT going to change Manziel's habits. Cut him, or accept him - and I hope they cut him...

Let's see what Austin can do!

I agree. I was hoping JM would start, but maybe AD can surprise us. Ya just never know.

Not going to take away any thing good for Austin, I been wanting to see what we had in our number 2, I get to see now.

Maybe we get to see what we have in our new #2 sometime before the end of the season...

You can be excited.

I'm not. I've seen this movie too many times. Heck, some guys were excited about Connor Shaw last year. LOL

I am not saying this as an insult to you. I just think that in a lost season it is beyond ignorant to not give your first round draft choice a shot at either proving himself or not proving himself...............on the freaking field.

he had his shot with the rams and couldn't cut it...certainly a lot better shot than Johnny was given...talent wins out over hard work any day, i know you plodders on this board dont want to hear it but thats just the way it is

gee thats mighty white of you...who cares about your "beliefs" regarding his physical abilities...get him out on the field to put up or shut up and lets see...guess you're afraid you might be wrong though so you stick with your moral high ground BS

I am impressed with your insight. Nice take.

First, I admire your dedication and admire your courage for voicing opinions that are painfully true often times for diehard fans to make. Some are unfortunately not ready to maturely listen and think for themselves, but rather lash out.

Maybe that is what they are thinking with Davis as well. Or maybe there's more to what happened with Johnny that we don't know about.

the smoking gun theory...keep telling yourself that...this is freaking football. not some national crisis...let the guy play or set johnny free!

Really at this point in the season and where the team sits.. They could start the second team and practice squad from this point out..

It's pre-ending season as usual around here..We can start or sit who ever, they could play balls out or stink it up..

What concerns me is the start of the next season, and that really isn't player related..

LMAO.

#FarewellPettine

Well they need Johnny Manziel I will tell you that personally. But really he is screwing up his chances in the Browns organization and the NFL.

All that proves this year is that there is a crap load of mediocrity in the NFL this year... shame we can't even be a part of it, we suck too bad to be mediocre.

if we lose austin davis to injury do we go to hartline? lol

Actually here is the plan (pulled from the Manziel thread):

HarryTheCat
1 hour ago
BREAKING NEWS: Manziel traded to Ringling Brothers for an animal act and a trapeze girl to be named later. In a surprise move, the Browns announced plans to have a random fan pulled from the stands to play QB each week for the rest of the season. In order to accommodate the new "QB of the Week", the playbook will be shortened to two plays -- the strip sack and the squib punt.

I ask the following not in an attempt to deflect, but for clarification of consistency on your position. You've been very critical of our other 1st Rd pick Gilbert, and justifiably so. I'd even go so far as to say you've been as critical of Gilbert as many of us have been of Manziel. Do you think Gilbert should be starting as well given that he is a 1st Rd pick that we have a small sample size of on the field and we need to see what we have with him? Or are you done with him and this only applies to Manziel?

And no I'm not going to get carried away and say "Well how about Erving? How about anyone else drafted..." that would be silly. Its just that both Manziel and Gilbert have more than a few similarities.

As you know, I side with Vers on the whole Manziel issue, but I just gave up arguing about it as it is pointless.

Speaking for myself, the Gilbert situation is a bit different IMO. He has seen the field a lot more than Manziel over the course of the past 2 years.

That said, I'd have no problem at all with him starting the rest of the year. The season is lost and we will be hitting the reset button again in about a month.

To carry on with your point, Manziel has looked pretty good this year.

This is simply the haters wanting to maintain their position that he sucks. I agree with Gruden. We need to keep the guy. I think he will become a good QB in this league. He's going to be in this league a lot longer than Mike Petine.

Mike is like Butch Davis. He allows his ego to interfere with making sound football decisions. If he didn't, he would have dumped his lap dog defensive coordinator about 3 games ago, not to mention this whole Manziel thing.

You may wish to tone down a notch or two, posts such as this. He has every right to state his opinions as do you...unless it is abused.