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Hat's off to McCown, he was a warrior for us this year.

NEGATIVE!!! I was on the fence. Way to many "ifs". I did try keeping a positive attitude.

I was pretty argumentative toward getting a running back. I was told this is a QB league. RBs are a dime a dozen. I thought McCown could run this offense. Again, I was told Hoyer was the best QB we had and they let him walk. I argued our receivers were capable of winning ball games. Again, I was told I lacked reasoning. I guess I should listen to my own deductions.

Well, for as much as Hoyer got ripped on here........he has increased Houston's win total already.

He wins games. Of course, we don't really care about that around here. It's not important.

Vince Young, still available. . .

Can he tackle?

Will anyone ever ask Pettine why McCown was allowed to stay in the game with a broken collarbone?

At that time it was just a flesh wound.

Now I know why the running game sucks... the RB's don't hit the hole like Josh..

Heal up gamer !

Did Pet know he had a broken collar bone? No.

Did Josh want to play? It sure seemed like it.

I did mention to my wife, when they showed Josh throwing on the sideline, and the grimace on his face when he threw - on the sideline - "This isn't good."

Pet didn't see that though.

We can blame Pet for a lot of things, but putting in a qb that says "I'm good to go" isn't one of those things.

You want to blame the coach? That's fine. Why not lay it on the trainers and probably/possibly the doctor on the sidelines that checked Josh out?

This team needs leaders with talent.

Noticed it since Mangini. Every coach bought in their veteran leader. Leaders who lack the talent they once had. Look at this team who replaces McCown or Dansby?

How is it after four GMs Browns have no leaders? How is it no one wants to step up to be a leader? This puzzles me. Coaches can do some. Players need someone to take the reigns. Maybe there is a leader. It is why I think there is still dead weight holding the others back.

if the "coach" couldn't tell he was hurt then he's more stupid than he looks...but then he is a horrible evaluator of talent so maybe he cant distinguish between a healthy or injured mccown

You think the head coach was evaluating him on the sidelines? Why have trainers, and doctors if the coach is supposed to evaluate each injury?

Guess I didn't see, but did the coach determine Gilberts concussion? If not, coach must be dumb, right? No reason to take the trainers opinion, or doc's opinion, right?

oh i guess the "coach" had his back to the field so he didnt notice something so obvious...spare me with your trainers and doctors, this isnt rocket science it was obvious to everyone watching the game he was injured and was getting pounded the whole game...you hate johnny so much you'll skew it any way you can to give the "coach" (or your "pet") a pass (excuse the pun)

Wow.

Dude, you're off your rocker. Where did I mention Manziel in this conversation?

Actually, tell me how Manziel even came up in your reply to me? YOU, sir, said Pet should've known Josh had a broken collar bone.

THAT, sir, is what I'm discussing. Namziel was not mentioned, other than by you.

I guess, to take a cue from your post, you, sir, are disillusioned in your love for Manziel. Or crazy.

I don't hate Manziel anymore than I hate you - what the hell even made you bring that up????????

i'm very familiar with your entire body of work on here, which i believe allows me to make the leap that you HATE Johnny Manziel, thats what everything leads back to, its your raison d'etre...and dont call me sir, coming from you its an insult, which in your warped mind i'm sure was how it was intended

Arch is cool, a long time poster who just says his thing.

as i said...

Disillusioned, as I said.

I'm glad you're very familiar with my body of work. Sadly, it hasn't taken me long, at all, to become familiar with your body of work.

Hell yes he is, meet him in person, I have had that pleasure.. great guy.

One thing Peen Columbus Saint myself and many others who tailgate together always say..

"You may not like how a person from the board posts, but as a person you will like them" I know this for a fact..

It's kind of like texting someone and they say why are you being mean... and I'm like wth did that come from ? lol

you couldnt even read much less understand my body of work

Are you confusing Arch with somebody else? Because you're way off base.

Thanks for visiting dawgtalkers.

He's a Manziel loving troll. Read his posts. He's insulted quite a few long time posters here.

Dansby and Whitner...

J Thomas and Mack on offense.

Josh McCown revealed he played with broken ribs; Will 'turn it up a notch' in offseason and wants to be part of Browns turnaround

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss...ncart_big-photo

By Mary Kay Cabot, Cleveland.com on December 02, 2015 at 6:28 PM, updated December 02, 2015 at 6:29 PM

BEREA, Ohio -- Josh McCown suspected that his collarbone was broken the moment Raven's 300-pound Timmy Jernigan drilled him with 2:12 left in the third quarter of Monday night's 33-27 loss to the Ravens.

That's because it wasn't the first time he broke a bone this season -- and kept playing.

McCown, placed on injured reserve Wednesday with the collarbone, revealed that he played with broken ribs suffered in 24-6 loss to the Rams game Oct. 25, which likely occurred on a hard blow to the chest and chin by safety Mark Barron with 6:08 remaining.

Also remaining face down and grabbing the sides of his head after that play, McCown did what he's done all season: dusted himself off and stayed in the game. He lasted three more plays that day before suffering a shoulder injury on a sack fumble just under a minute later and finally giving way to Johnny Manziel.

Asked how many ribs he broke in St. Louis, he said, "a couple would be fair.''

McCown never revealed if X-rays on the ribs after the game were negative, and didn't admit they were broken until his season-ending press conference Wednesday.

In fact, he started the following week against the Cardinals, and remained in the game even after linebacker Kevin Minter drilled him in the ribs with his helmet to aggravate the injury. McCown came out after one more excruciating drive in the fourth quarter.

"It's part of this game,'' McCown said. "I'm not the only guy in here that's fighting through stuff. You put a lot into this and everybody does so that's what's the hardest thing for me to deal with in this situation. You just want to be available for your teammates and be there for your guys and so when you can't be it hurts. It hurts more than any of the physical things.''

That's why McCown went back in the game Monday night even after he knew the right collarbone was cracked. He winced and grimaced on the sidelines, then got up and started throwing. The Ravens remained on the field for more than eight minutes on a field goal drive that made it 27-20, , which gave him a chance to try to gut it out.

Ultimately, he lasted only two more plays, a short pass to Malcolm Johnson and a deep incompletion to Travis Benjamin that sent searing pain through the collarbone and forced him out of the game with 8:29 remaining.

"It hurt pretty bad (but) when I threw and I felt like I could get through a throwing motion,'' he said. "I was like, 'Let's give it a go.' Just leaving the field a few times this year, I didn't want to again and so to me it was like I want to just give every shot, every opportunity I could until it completely couldn't do it.

"So I made the first throw and I felt a little something and I made the second throw and felt a little something more then and knew at that point as much as I wanted to be out there, it's probably not fair to everybody else. I didn't know if I could push the ball down field the way I needed to.''

By the time the game was over, McCown knew his season was too. He walked out of the locker room with his arm in a sling and a dour expression on his face.

"Obviously, I'm disappointed with everything kind of it being the way it is. You have a set of goals that you plan on before the season and want to get accomplished and when you fall short of those obviously it's disappointing and so this adds to it for sure."

McCown's injury-riddled season was foreshadowed on the first drive of the season, when he helicoptered into the end zone after marching downfield on his opening drive against the Jets, a 31-10 loss. Who knows what may have happened had he not left that game with a concussion.

McCown, who played at the same high level here that he did in 2013 with the Bears -- when he went 3-2 with 13 touchdown passes and only interception for a 109.0 rating -- is signed through 2017 and has every intention of playing for the Browns again.

"I'm under contract, so I'm here,'' he said. "When your season ends like mine has, your focus becomes 'what can I do to help us be better next year?' Until I'm told otherwise, I'll do everything I can to serve the guys and this team and organization moving forward. That starts with the next five weeks and on into the offseason."

Asked about the Browns' options for him, he said, "You can be cut. That's what we call it. Obviously, I don't control that. My expectation is to be here. If that changes, then it changes. Being a part of this city and organization and understanding how badly people want to get this thing turned around, I'd definitely love to be a part of that. If I get that opportunity I'd love to."

McCown, 36, bowed out as the No. 13th quarterback in the NFL with a 93.3 rating. He completed 63.7 percent of his passes and threw 12 touchdowns against only four interceptions. He went 1-7, but had no supporting cast -- including the 30th ranked defense and a running game tied for 31st in the league. He played so well this season that if he's not the starter here next season, other teams will undoubtedly eye him in a trade.

"I felt good, especially the situation I went through last year (1-10 on a bad Bucs team with no offensive coordinator), just to be back in a system again with veteran NFL coaches that have been in the league awhile,'' he said. "I felt like I did in 2013 with the Bears as far as the rhythm and timing and playing and all that stuff.

"You always walk away thinking you can be even better, so I feel like I can turn that up a notch, too. That's what the offseason is for."

Unfortunately for McCown, he'll get a head start on that.

Wow! This should change the perception that Pet put the guy out there even though he knew McCown was injured.

Then again.......knowing some of our posters..........it may not.

Team goals, yes, we fell short. Your personal goals I expect were well exceeded...a very solid season, Josh.

You'll never hear me complain about mccown's play this season.

Oh, I have. And he is. And yes, he has.

JC

I was WAY wrong about McCown before the season started. I thought it was the worst move they could have made at QB and that he had no chance to even be decent in Cleveland. It's unfortunate that his season ended this way. I'm glad to see him say he'd like to be back next year and remain a part of the franchise's turnaround. He was tough as nails and earned the respect of many Browns fans, I'm sure.

I hope he returns to mentor the Browns future franchise QB. He would be a great influence!

We need more posts like yours and fewer posts where people are proven wrong and instead of admitting they were wrong, choose a new topic to slam those that don't agree w/the majority.

I've liked him since we signed him. To me the fact they would play him while so hurt though is the end for Johnny. I also said our oline would kill another QB at the beginning of the season. I honestly want to draft a guy like lynch who looks like he can take a hit or two.

Props to you. One of the few I have seen to admit they were wrong about anything.

After watching McCown this season I have nothing but respect for him.

J/C

I wanna know the difference between the Shanahans and Pettine when it comes to letting your QB play hurt and risking further injury? the more I think about it, the madder it makes me.

Hats off to the grit of Josh. He really played a lot better than most thought. Hopefully, he can get out of this hellhole and sign on with a contender.

Shanahan had his QB play hurt because they were on a winning streak going into the play-offs..

Pettine had his QB play hurt because they were on a losing streak going into another possible blow up..