DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Everything Else... Another Mass Shooting

I can tell you that in Virginia, if you purchase at a gun show, you get a backround check.

I read a forum called digital underground..DU and there was people on their creaming their shorts when a witness gave a description of a white skinned...found out he is a muslim...the whole site deflated.

This country is going in crapper and its hard to watch it..

YEEEP..used to live there visit there often and you would be correct.

That's awesome, except Tulsa already posted links showing you exactly what I'm talking about.

That's great some states have BG checks, now if everybody else can get on board that'll be great.

general feeling is that Paris is coming stateside. IF they let in the kinds of people barry wants to..I have zero doubt it will happen...I'm surprised the hadji's havent gone after elementary schools..high school football games/sporting events ect...you know soft targets.

Yes, I'm still against the militarization of police.

If you want super decked out cops, than you might as well just let the military patrol the streets.

Just because THIS situation required it means what? This happens how often? No where near the amount to justify it.

If I gotta walk around looking more or less robocops all day in the name of "safety", then we truly never lived in a free society.

He did?? How about straight from ur grill what ur points are..not rocks crappy article..

Man people got a general feeling the rapture is gonna happen in their lifetime.

I don't see you flying to an island and drinking the kooload, though.

If I gotta walk around looking more or less robocops all day in the name of "safety", then we truly never lived in a free society.

But youre for stricter gun laws not more/better enforcement of current laws??

Swish?

You asked for specifics about the gun show loop hole. I did my best. I don't understand why you would ask the question if it's a retarded talking point.

That source also stated a lot of gun shows do background even though the state doesn't require it. I kind of thought that proved a lack of bias.

I'm pretty sure gun show loop holes and the abundance of gun stores outside of areas, but in close proximity, to gun law regions has been discussed as a major concern about availability.

With all due respect, most of the time this discussion sort of falls into, " make more guns available", "you can't control it anyway" or "keep mentally ill people from buying guns".

Again, with all due respect.

http://money.cnn.com/2015/06/19/news/guns-background-checks/

Just in case Erik cries about the source, there's a mainstream one right here.

If you up it private sale, BG checks. A lot of gun shows if you buy them used don't require it either.

You're welcome.

I'm not religious but I do feel the US is turning into a Godless country..and are reaping the results for such..end times talk is interesting to me

I said I'm only for restricting irresponsible gun owners.

Like if their kid shot up a place or accidentally shot themselves, the owners should lose heir right to own guns.

That's all I ever said. Besides closing obvious loopholes.

It sure is. I read an article yesterday that MSNBC reporters were tweeting that the PP clinic a mile away was safe and there was no shooting there. Calls for gun control before anyone knows any facts. Some news stations reporting 'right-wingers' before they had any facts. The New York Daily News paper's front cover is disparaging those who give 'thoughts and prayer' and say "God is not fixing this".

Right now, the fight is on to push 'work place violence' or 'islamic terror'. This kind of makes me wish I'd get a call from John Galt.

How are we turning into a godless country?

This nation has been godless the moment Europeans arrived.

People are just HOPING for the rapture. They don't want to believe they will die just like everyone else and want to go out in a blaze of glory.

bull..Every gun shiow ive been to in the last 5yrs you are not buying in the show without nics..outside different.

the article was not good..and supports what Ive said..they need to do a better job of enforcement of current laws.

What law can YOU SWISH..name that could slow down or stop this stuff..not an article how about your own words?? and isnt already on the books???

Is that a serious question/response

Youre smarter then this man..

And regardless, I was responding to you guys side convo.

I already said this isn't about guns, but some Muslims from a rich country that all of sudden decided to pop some Americans.

I'm ting to wrap my head around the thought process of a chick that comes from one of the richest nations in the world, where Arabs driving around with cheetahs in their ferraris(I want one, I got pics of that, btw) to listen to this guy and do this.

This smells like a group effort, thy need to crack down on the family and trace steps.

Yes, that's a serious response.

This idea that somehow we are godless? EVERYWHERE has been godless. We've been fighting since recorded history. We've raged wars, massacres, genocide, burned witches and segregated all in the name of God.

God isn't here. He bounced.

so you dont have an answer...and the media..people who are trying to get elected sure are making it a gun issue.

our own pres..during an interview about happened turned into a gun issue..you yourself commented on the gun thing? no? did I misread?

Come on swish.

Don't care about the source. If you can't see how biased thinkprogress is, that's your problem.

First problem with the article, "A background check is conducted only in store purchases" and "A background check is conducted only in store purchases" statements are incorrect.

This statement, "The killer, Dylann Roof, bought his .45-caliber Glock at a gun store in Charleston, where he would have been required to pass a background check. Though he had been arrested earlier this year for trespassing and drug possession, he apparently met the legal criteria." is also incorrect. He did pass the backround check. He shouldn't have, so the system failed in that instance. Apparently, his newer crimes were not yet in the system, so the lethargic pace of government blew that one.

It might be more useful if you were able to post an article stating which states do not make gun show purchasers undergo a backround check. As I've already said, they do it in VA.

Actually the article told you exactly what's up. If you choose not to believe it, all well.

I already told you what I would change as far as irresponsible gun owners.

As far as the loopholes? Simple, I'd make everybody register their guns, just like they do with their cars.

That way if weapons are on the street illegally, we know where he criminals got it from.

I registered my rifle and pistol when I bought them. Nobody came knocking on my door.

And when you can show me where cops are walking round super decked out like Robocop in the performance of routine duties, you and I will see much closer eye to eye. When you can show me where MRAP's are being used to pull people over for minor traffic violations, then I'll buy your premise.

But this isn't Mexico where the beat cop is standing on the corner with an uzi.

And the point of my post is that we ARE likely to see more of these incidents. Aren't you one of the guys who has posted about the increase of mass shootings?

If you read end times stuff its part of the plan to end times..and for you to say we arent turning into a godless country is funny to me..and what is coming from someone who posts like he leans atheist I see why u said what u did about God bouncing...Damn man some of the posts u make..makes me wonder what kind of life u live..you seem cryptic.

and I didnt say anything about everywhere else I said the US

you dont agree ok..this isnt on topic of the thread anyway...I'll gladly give u reasons on why I feel the way I do in pm or another thread.

I agree with Swish on militarization of the street cops..swat and such well militarize away.

You made a great point though DD

A Guide to Mass Shootings in America

Update, December 2: See our ongoing coverage of the mass shooting in San Bernardino here; we will update this database as more details emerge.

Editor's note, October 2, 2015: We have updated this database with the mass shooting at Umpqua Community College in Oregon, in which nine were murdered and nine others wounded. The previous update was in July, with the attack at a military center in Chattanooga, Tennessee, which came a month after the one at a historic black church in Charleston, South Carolina. The interactive map below and our downloadable database, first published in July 2012, have been expanded with 10 additional cases from 2013-2015.* Other public shooting attacks in that period—such as a rampage at Fort Hood, another in Isla Vista, California, another at a movie theater in Louisiana, and two in Colorado Springs, including an attack on a Planned Parenthood clinic—have not been added because there were fewer than four victims shot to death in each of those cases. For more about that distinction and its limitations, see this piece and this piece.


IT IS PERHAPS TOO EASY to forget how many times this has happened. The horrific massacre at a movie theater in Aurora, Colorado, in July 2012, another at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin that August, another at a manufacturer in Minneapolis that September—and then the unthinkable nightmare at a Connecticut elementary school that December—were some of the latest in an epidemic of such gun violence over the last three decades. Since 1982, there have been at least 72 public mass shootings across the country, with the killings unfolding in 31 states from Massachusetts to Hawaii. Thirty-five of these mass shootings have occurred since 2006. Seven of them took place in 2012 alone, including Sandy Hook. A recent analysis of this database by researchers at Harvard University, further corroborated by a recent FBI study, determined that mass shootings have been on the rise.

We've gathered detailed data on more than three decades of cases and mapped them below, including information on the attackers' profiles, the types of weapons they used, and the number of victims they injured and killed. The following analysis covers our original dataset comprised of 62 cases from 1982-2012.

Weapons: Of the 143 guns possessed by the killers, more than three quarters were obtained legally. The arsenal included dozens of assault weapons and semi-automatic handguns with high-capacity magazines. (See charts below.) Just as a perpetrator used a .40-caliber Glock to slaughter students in Red Lake, Minnesota, in 2005, so too did the one in Aurora, along with an AR-15 assault rifle, when blasting away at his victims in a darkened movie theater. In Newtown, Connecticut, the attacker wielded a .223 Bushmaster semi-automatic assault rifle as he massacred 20 school children and six adults.

The perpetrators: More than half of the cases involved school or workplace shootings (12 and 20, respectively); the other 30 cases took place in locations including shopping malls, restaurants, and religious and government buildings. Forty-four of the killers were white males. Only one was a woman. (See Goleta, Calif., in 2006.) The average age of the killers was 35, though the youngest among them was a mere 11 years old. (See Jonesboro, Ark., in 1998.) A majority were mentally troubled—and many displayed signs of mental health problems before setting out to kill. Explore the map for further details—we do not consider it to be all-inclusive, but based on the criteria we used, we believe that we've produced the most comprehensive rundown available on this particular type of violence. (Mass shootings represent only a sliver of America's overall gun violence.) For the stories of the 151 shooting rampage victims of 2012, click here, and for our groundbreaking investigation into the economic costs of the nation's gun violence, including mass shootings, click here.

but that article wasn't from thinkprogress, it's CNN.

lemme, guess; they're biased, as well?

and Virginia?

Virginia law does not require background checks for gun purchases from unlicensed dealers or private sellers. Gov. Terry McAuliffe (D) tried to change that, but his proposal was rejected by the Republican-controlled Virginia legislature.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/vir...40f8_story.html

so they must have changed this law last week or something.

here's west virginia:

West Virginia does not:

Require a background check prior to the transfer of a firearm between unlicensed individuals;
Require firearms dealers to obtain a state license;
Regulate the transfer or possession of assault weapons, 50 caliber rifles, or large capacity ammunition magazines;
Require gun owners to obtain a license, register their firearms, or report lost or stolen firearms;
Require reporting of mental health records to the NICS database;
Limit the number of firearms that may be purchased at one time;
Impose a waiting period before the sale of a firearm;
Regulate unsafe handguns (“junk guns” or “Saturday night specials”);
Significantly regulate ammunition;
Allow local governments to regulate firearms; or
Give local law enforcement discretion to deny a concealed handgun permit.

http://smartgunlaws.org/west-virginia-state-law-summary/

and then here's a bunch of other sources:

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/10/17689167-background-checks-for-guns-what-you-need-to-know
http://www.governing.com/gov-data/safety...e-laws-map.html
http://smartgunlaws.org/universal-gun-background-checks-policy-summary/

but go ahead and keep fighting the facts.

what the hell are you talking about? i just gave you an answer. you just don't like the response. no my problem.

I'd make everybody register their guns, just like they do with their cars.

You took an oath to the constitution and you have this line of thinking??

I registered my rifle and pistol when I bought them. Nobody came knocking on my door.

Registered with who??

I was responding to u and hadnt saw the links u JUST posted follow the bouncing ball man..

Some believe the answer is to hold gun companies responsible for their products.

it will be soon,

if people can make outlandish claims that paris is coming to america on a regular, then i can surely make this claim that we are gonna have beefed up cops on the streets soon for our protection.

Sorry, but unless we got IED's here in america, you got no need for a MRAP, you damn sure didn't need it yesterday.

people are calling for cops and such to be posted everywhere. schools, cinemas, wherever.

we're pandering to the fear mongering, the terrorist are winning.

Sorry, i know you want your hardcore gear so you can post selfies on snapchat, but i'm against you guys having that stuff in general.

and their idiots. That is nothing more then a ploy to enforce gun control.

Like you I've been to hundreds of gun shows. I can't say about anywhere else but in Oklahoma and your milage may vary, but here at gun shows an individual can pay for a table and sell his weapons without having to do a background check because he's not a dealer. They just have a sign saying private collection. There are always individual walking around with a rifle tossed over their shoulder and a for sale sign taped to the barrel.

Even though I think that Uncle Harry ought to be able to give you or sell you his gun without a check, even my eyebrows go up when I see this at gun shows. Now usually the private collection tables are antique lever guns and not typically what you would expect to raise an eyebrow but the guy walking around with his AR and anyone can walk up and buy it and this guy isn't interested in who's buying it, he's interested in how much he's selling it for. It's certainly a great way for felons to get guns easily. This should be fixed.

You are never going to stop felons from getting guns because well..they are felons are willing to break the law to acheive their end means.

Ive never been to Oklahoma so I cant comment there..but have been in Ohio, Virginia, and Cali...and didnt see any transaction done INSIDE without nics.

SWISH Where di you register you guns?? Id like to know that seeing you live in Ohio..

I don't think they're idiots. I think they're willing to consider anything.

I think gun control is the issue and there's no ploy involved.

The issue with gun control discussion is absolutes when discussing. I'm for some form of control, but that doesn't mean anything other than figure out a strategy.

It's also my opinion, and I'm willing to see evidence to disprove it, that the number of shootings have increased with the increasing power of the NRA.

I understand that opinion is really sore with NRA members, but again I think it's important to discuss everything.

Man if your saying suing gun manufactures isnt the leftist's way of trying to implement gun control..We have nothing further to discuss..Your mind is made up and wont chang no matter the facts presented.

Good God yes the power of the NRA have caused more shootings..Do you hear yourself.

Ok I'm trying to be civil with u but i think i better not respond to u anymore..U sound off to me.

And a shill for the left...so we will never agree..have a good life Rock.

Swish u going to answer..I think your full of crap about this..but I would like to know where you "registered" them and prove me wrong...