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As much as most love the Ohio born stories for players, Cook seems like a natural being from Hinkley. What....? Hoyer grew up there, a Browns fan, Quinn grew up there, a Browns fan, everyone ate that up around here. Isn't Hinkley Township pretty close to Cleveland?
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I don't agree w/that. No offense.
I think people who are not from Ohio say that more about Ohio people than people from Ohio say it. LOL
I remember Leon talking about he was hated because he played for TUM. But, we loved guys like Steve Everit, Aaron Shea, and who the hell was the DB.........sorry, old age. Oh wait......I got it. Thom Darden.
I think Ohio fans want the Browns to win and don't really give a rat's butt where the guys played at in college.
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It certainly could be a perceptual thing but I was born in Ohio as well.
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I don't agree w/that. No offense.
I think people who are not from Ohio say that more about Ohio people than people from Ohio say it. LOL
I remember Leon talking about he was hated because he played for TUM. But, we loved guys like Steve Everit, Aaron Shea, and who the hell was the DB.........sorry, old age. Oh wait......I got it. Thom Darden.
I think Ohio fans want the Browns to win and don't really give a rat's butt where the guys played at in college.
Thom Darden. Awesome. Just bringing up names like that remind me why I am a Browns fan. Thanks Vers.
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#27 right?
I remember him wearing tape or something white all the way up to his elbows. He was a sleek looking athlete.
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#27 right?
I remember him wearing tape or something white all the way up to his elbows. He was a sleek looking athlete. Yes #27. Was on the cardiac kids team. I was around ten years old and had been watching Cleveland Browns football for a few years with my dad. I feel in love with that team and have been hooked ever since. I even had an old 45 record of the twelve days of the cleveland browns football song. I think that was the first record I ever owned.
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Awesome.
That was such a fun team to watch.
I still remember that tape or something on his forearms. I think that's right. Anyone remember that?
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Realizing he's playing with a sore shoulder, Cook is not looking good against Iowa.
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I'll be surprised if MSU doesn't win the Championship tbqh
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Regarding Cook's leadership. After the TD run by Scott, Cook congratulates him and Scott seems to ignore him. Maybe, maybe not, but then Cook walks off on his own with none of the players coming over to congratulate him.
The he is on the sideline talking with #82. One of the student trainers or something like that (young guy, on the sidelines wearing an MSU hat and jacket) comes over and gives #82 that half high five/half hand shake. He completely ignores Cook and Cook completely ignores him.
Maybe I am reading too much into things. But I get that same feeling about Manziel after he leads the Browns to a TD. I saw Benjamin come over and congratulate him once but otherwise the guys leave him alone.
You never saw that with Hoyer. You never see that with Brady or Roethlisberger or any of the Qb's considered good leaders.
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I saw the same thing with Brandon Doughty against Marshall.
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They just showed Cook standing by himself during Dantonio's speech.
He got the MVP award. A couple guys tapped him on the shoulder pads and head, but none paid attention as he gave his speech and they all kind of meandered off while he was talking.
Does this mean anything? I don't know
If it does is it significant? Again, I don't know
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I don't care which QB you draft.
Play him.
Bortles wasn't ready, Tannehill wasn't ready, Carr wasn't ready.. but they all started right away, and were better for it..
We talk about having a great O Line, use it.. protect him..
Don't consider starting anyone else if you draft someone in the first round, if you do, then don't draft a QB that high.
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Cook comes off looking like a douchebag but I think that video was sped up which is why it looks bad. I saw it live and it didn't look like that.
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I don't care which QB you draft.
Play him.
Bortles wasn't ready, Tannehill wasn't ready, Carr wasn't ready.. but they all started right away, and were better for it..
We talk about having a great O Line, use it.. protect him..
Don't consider starting anyone else if you draft someone in the first round, if you do, then don't draft a QB that high.
Bingo. Bortles and Carr look to be trending up also. But it took two years. Mariota and Winston are going to be better next year because of the experience they got this year. Some it won't matter. Tannehill is likely never going to be good at this point. Teddy will never win anything, but will man the ship. But you have to play the guy you draft in the first. You have to.
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Bortles is a stat paddder. He is not actually good.
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You really dislike Bortles, huh?
There is a certain DA feel to his season, but I really am impressed by how far he's come from last year. On the one hand, when you are at the bottom of the ocean, you can't go any lower. On the other hand, if you get to the bottom of the ocean, that means you're likely not floating back up. But he has floated up some. Doesn't look clueless. Still makes boneheaded plays, though.
I am probably making too big a deal about his improvement and you are likely not giving him as much credit as he deserves.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Speaking of being at the bottom, did anyone see the beautiful bomb Gabbert threw to Torrey Smith for a TD in OT yesterday? I thought to myself "somewhere, Django is smiling.". He's still no good (Gabbert, not Django), but he'll probably light us up next week. Who's gonna cover Boldin and Smith?
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I can't tell if Connor Cooks arrogance is a good thing or a bad thing come draft day. I would need to ask him questions.
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I can't tell if Connor Cooks arrogance is a good thing or a bad thing come draft day. I would need to ask him questions. It seems like he's a douche and I don't think he's as good as the other two guys (Goff and Lynch). Not good.
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I can't tell if Connor Cooks arrogance is a good thing or a bad thing come draft day. I would need to ask him questions. More importantly, I'd be very curious as to what exactly is wrong with his shoulder, because it's clearly affecting him quite a bit. Then again, his team is winning still, stats be damned.
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I'm not wild about either Cook or Goff. Both have flaws and are missing something.
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I'm not wild about either Cook or Goff. Both have flaws and are missing something.
Goff or Lynch might not even come out this year since they're Juniors. Not to mention they might even get drafted higher if they can improve the flaws in their game by staying an extra year.
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I'm not wild about either Cook or Goff. Both have flaws and are missing something.
Goff or Lynch might not even come out this year since they're Juniors. Not to mention they might even get drafted higher if they can improve the flaws in their game by staying an extra year. If a player is rated highly, they usually come out. It is the exception if they don't.
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Lynch's head coach just left. He'd be a moron if he stayed another year. Goff has upside, but he won't be as good as Cook coming out of college. I don't want to wait more than a few years for him to get it. It's fine either way tbh.
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I've heard good things, but have never seen him play. He seems to be the right size and North Dakota State is a really good program. If he's healthy he'll be at the Senior Bowl.
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I've heard good things, but have never seen him play. He seems to be the right size and North Dakota State is a really good program. If he's healthy he'll be at the Senior Bowl. I REALLY like his game. He runs a weird offense, it's a mix of pro style and spread. He takes snaps under center and reads defenses, but he also runs zone reads. It's a lot like Seattles offense. He's the best athlete at QB in this draft imo. He's more athletic and mobile than Lynch. He has a very strong arm. If he didn't play at North Dakota State, he'd be talked about like Andrew Luck was. He's THAT good. Our coaches will have the chance to scout him and Connor Cook in Mobile.
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I've heard good things, but have never seen him play. He seems to be the right size and North Dakota State is a really good program. If he's healthy he'll be at the Senior Bowl. I'm watching clips on Draft Breakdown. So far, I like him. The weak conference is a concern.
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http://youtu.be/oq1U4XOguUgAs stated above. His biggest weakness is the competition he faced.
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Our coaches will have the chance to scout him and Connor Cook in Mobile.
Yeah, and that's where the problem is. Does anyone have confidence in this regime's ability to evaluate talent? Especially quarterbacks?
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Our coaches will have the chance to scout him and Connor Cook in Mobile.
Yeah, and that's where the problem is. Does anyone have confidence in this regime's ability to evaluate talent? Especially quarterbacks? I have even less confidence that the coaching staff can develop them than the scouts to evaluate them.
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I have been watching QB film. Paxton Lynch looks like Josh McCown, or a better, bigger arm version of Mike Glennon. He is a good prospect.....
But Jared Goff! I am marveling at the ball placement, I haven't seen ball placement at the college level like Goffs since Drew Brees terrorized my Buckeyes. Leading tight ends to open space on a hitch, hitting slants and posts without breaking stride, jaw dropping fades, anticipation on the back shoulder throws.....and I am watching the UTAH GAME! By far his worst game of the season (his O-line got worked so hard).
There is a play at the end of the game where a WR is running up the seam. It was a close game 24-30 they were losing. He sees the safety and throws the ball to the opposite (the wrong) shoulder on purpose because his situational awareness knows he cannot throw pick there....he ends up throwing a horrible, off the back foot with a lineman in his face duck for an INT, but he was miss-firing on throws on purpose to avoid safeties in crucial situations.
All aboard the Goff train I guess.
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Cook is my man in all of this also.
Good feet accurate to the deep out is a winner should be able to advance in the NFL system and its complexities better than most. Has touch and arm strength a leader and for me the intangible of coming from the Cleveland area (not sure if he's a Browns' fan or not???) But he would be part of new folk lore that this franchise desperately needs.
I got him as the QB of this draft. I hope he will be a Brown come April!!!
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Actually the QB coaching staff is probably the best thing this regime has put together.
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Our coaches will have the chance to scout him and Connor Cook in Mobile.
Yeah, and that's where the problem is. Does anyone have confidence in this regime's ability to evaluate talent? Especially quarterbacks? I don't think we have to worry about that.
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There is still a long way till draft day. Over that time there can be other things to consider.
I have stated from the beginning of this year that Cook is the most advanced of the group. He has consistently demonstrated NFL characteristics.
The one thing I like about Goff is his throwing motion. He is a natural thrower. He does many things well but I believe it would be to his benefit to stay in school. I really like his upside though.
Lynch is the guy that is the least known as far as true potential. He comes from playing inferior competition and from a read option, spread offense. He looks the part in size and speed. I would want to work him out and question him on many aspects of the game to get a feel for his football intelligence and ability to comprehend.
All three have potential and are worth looking at very closely. None of the big three are slam dunks. None compare to Winston and Mariota from last year. But there could very well be a gem amongst them.
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There is still a long way till draft day. Over that time there can be other things to consider.
I have stated from the beginning of this year that Cook is the most advanced of the group. He has consistently demonstrated NFL characteristics.
The one thing I like about Goff is his throwing motion. He is a natural thrower. He does many things well but I believe it would be to his benefit to stay in school. I really like his upside though.
Lynch is the guy that is the least known as far as true potential. He comes from playing inferior competition and from a read option, spread offense. He looks the part in size and speed. I would want to work him out and question him on many aspects of the game to get a feel for his football intelligence and ability to comprehend.
All three have potential and are worth looking at very closely. None of the big three are slam dunks. None compare to Winston and Mariota from last year. But there could very well be a gem amongst them.
If I were a betting man, I'd guess that Goff stays in school, while Lynch and Cook are the top QB's (though there's always one who surprises at the combine and gets drafted higher than they should).
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If I were a betting man, I'd guess that Goff stays in school, while Lynch and Cook are the top QB's (though there's always one who surprises at the combine and gets drafted higher than they should). Goff staying in school makes no sense. He is the most likely to be drafted first overall out of all the QBs. I don't trust PFF as much as I used to (I think they got too big and have hired unreliable people to do their ratings), but I do rely them some for things that I don't see. Here is what they wrote about Goff (and us picking him): With Johnny Manziel getting the nod as the starter this week, and likely for the remainder of the season, the Browns are aiming to get a four game run to see what they have in him. That’s probably not enough time even if he does impress though, and the Browns could find themselves in the perfect position to select the next in a long line of potential franchise quarterbacks. They have other needs, and could go with a playmaker at wide receiver, but this is a franchise that has been crying out for a franchise quarterback since its return to Cleveland, and they simply can’t pass up a top talent at number one overall.
Memphis’ Paxton Lynch would get some consideration here too, but based on our grades he is a step behind Goff. Cal’s signal-caller was our fourth-highest graded quarterback in 2015 and is the top prospect at the position heading into the draft. He didn’t have a great supporting cast — with an offensive line that had four players with a grade below -10.0 — but he made the most out of it, grading positively on the 160 drop backs where he was under pressure. He has the downfield arm that NFL teams look for, throwing for 1,403 yards and nine touchdowns on passes thrown 20 or more yards downfield. He might not be the slam-dunk prospect the next two players we’ll talk about are, but he’s the best player at a position of major need for the Browns. I can be talked into any of the best QB prospects at this point, but right now Goff is my favorite.
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