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Well, last time I checked, "crazy white people" were part of the failing education system, inner city violence and drug cartels. You will not make this a race issue...period!!!

so only people who are part of that group does bad things?

man, and you're a teacher?

I don't follow you Swish. You lightin up today?

I think all these divisive issues (gun issues, same-sex marriage, religion, etc.) get brought up to distract us from the underlying causes.

The root rests somewhere in poverty, and the lack of meaningful resources we give people to escape poverty. But, I'm not getting into that right now. I know where pretty much everyone stands on that, and I don't feel like talking about it.

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94 million people out of the work force, with the government saying we have 5% unemployment, maybe?

I've been saying this for years. Politicians put up minor, yet emotionally charged issues as smoke screens to cover the real issues that affect the well being of this country. Their only concern is to gain or maintain the party advantage. Currently, they're using gun control to take the focus off of the real problems that cause the killings. Both sides are guilty of playing on fear and emotions.

In this case, the anti gun faction is playing on the misguided fear of guns vs. the actual reasons behind the killing. The pro gun people are playing on the fear of losing the right to bear arms. All that needs to be done is to strictly enforce the laws already in the books. No additional legislation is going to deter a violent criminal from being violent.

Dawg_T, nice post. Respecting humanity is a matter of the heart. People like us understand that. However, when all the heart experiences is violence, abuse and harm, it becomes hardened, broken and otherwise, angry. Society permits this to occur on a regular basis.

It begins with our children and a strong family core. It begins with teaching love and respect for humanity. It begins with integrity, dignity and nurturing within the heart. So many of our youth have none of these things instilled in their hearts.

Many in our society prefer to accept the status quo where children are involved. We see it as the problem of another. This could not be any more contrary to the truth. It takes a village.......but, just like the neighbors who said nothing in California, many say nothing about issues involving abuse of children.

Every human should be considered a mandated reporter when issues involve abuse of children and matters of the heart. It is up to us to teach future generations. It is easier to build a child than repair an adult.

Violence breeds violence...anger breeds anger..love breeds love

There's two schools of thought. Unemployment either caused by greedy corporations looking for a profit, or corporations leaving due to taxes and cheaper labor elsewhere.

We've got a skills shortage of sorts. Many people who get laid off come from the last generation where you didn't "need" a college diploma for a decent job. There's others that have been laid off with degrees, but the majority come from the blue collar to white collar transition of our country.

Unfortuantely this caused American universities to work like a business instead of an institution of learning. I'm not looking to get into the whole liberal hivemind argument, either. Let's stay away from that?

That's two more posts in this thread that contained profanity. No more warnings everybody, keep the language clean.

That's just dumb. Our gun control laws have nothing to do with nutbags that just want us gone from this earth..

You wanna stop terrorist attacks,, simple, take the fight to them and to any country that harbors them..

Problem is, we are harboring terrorists as proven by the incident last week in California.

They are here, living among us.

I'm not one to want to close the borders, but as I see it, it's basically the only way to protect ourselves.

As President Bush once said, "You are either with us or against us on terrorism."

I don't even have to read this thread to tell you how it's going to go...

So who is our enemy? or put differently to everybody, who is YOUR enemy? Is it Muslims? the NRA? the 1%? the right wing extremists? maybe it's the President? Black Lives Matter? Illegal immigrants? the inner city poor? Is it Donald Trump? Is it the mainstream media? Maybe it's just Fox News? Is it the abortion doctors? Could be the pro-lifers? Might be the socialists? The Hollywood elite? The Koch Brothers or Fred Eychaner and George Soros? Is it all of Congress? Refugees?

We all have the same enemy.. and the more we fight it the worse it gets.

Anyone see el-presidente's speech last night?

I hear ya ! . I THINK what I see and hear is the middle of the road guy , independent , not really involved in Politics as a rule ; getting pushed by one side or the other to move to one side or the other .. A big bad wide divide and getting wider ..

We all have the same enemy.. and the more we fight it the worse it gets.

Just for clarification DC who is it?

his speech was spot on.

here's the problem i'm seeing. the GOP and everybody that supports them (read: you) thinks the president isn't a leader. then when he does something to take control of a situation, yall call him king and not respecting congress.

then everybody (read: you) wants to support these candidates, but they're gonna do the same exact thing as you complain about obama doing, which is doing whatever the hell he wants, but then you'll flip that and call trump or whoever wins a leader.

Obama could find a way to give every american a million dollars legally without any consequences, yet Erik will complain that a million dollars isn't enough.

obama can't win. he's either a weak leader, or a muslim kenyan commie socialist king who does what he wants.

i for one, loved his speech. he didn't say anything that wasn't true.

and i just wanna say one thing:

i don't respect anybody who calls our president names. like a muslim terrorist and such.

i didn't like bush, but i never called him names or disrespected him in any manner.

i show every president respect. and i think it's unamerican for some of you losers to show support for a communist like putin over our president, who unlike the commies, has to respect and go by our constitution.

if you respect putin, do us all a favor and move to Russia. nobody will miss you. i promise.

I agree Swish. I never call the President simply "Obama" I didn't like it when people always said "Bush"

Maybe once they become a EX it is OK to simply use the last name, but while sitting, President is the only way to address them.

I don't like this President very much at all, but there is this thing called manners and respect.

i agree, and hey, i'm guilty of not calling them "president" first.

but at least i don't use derogatory names.

one thing i've always believed is that regardless of how well or bad a president does, or congress for that matter, none of them run for office with the intent of making things worse.

you know how i post, i'm liberal, i don't try to hide that or dodge it like some people try to dodge the conservative label, but i'll never sit here and post thing that the GOP is out to destroy america. i don't agree with hardly anything they do, but there's different ways to make a country successful. nobody is intentionally trying to screw us, ya know?

As usual, you misinterpret what you have read.

Those of us who speak of Putin's leadership qualities talk out of jealousy, we wish our leader was also a leader. We do not admire what Putin stands for or his Nation, we simply admire his leadership qualities, for as he ascends, the West has declined in gaining or winning respect around the World.

Our leader is a Politician and speaks as such. He always works his agenda into the conversation instead of focusing on helping friends and protecting his own people. He prefers a PC approach to everything and can't even bring himself to speak certain realities. As his people are under attack in the Homeland, he speaks of us not getting on our high horse about Muslims because Christianity committed evils in the past. Just what a concerned and frightened people want to hear.

We as a Nation worked for decades to drive Russia out of the Middle East and we were successful in 1972. Well now they are back, stronger than before. Russia took the Crimea. Russia threatens Ukraine. Russia's ambassador to Sweden, Viktor Tatarintsev, recently warned Sweden and Finland that if they joined NATO, Russia would respond with "counter measures."

Open your eyes!

We have met our Enemy and he is us!

He's a crappy president on par with Carter. I don't care about much else that he appears to be.

We have 94 million people out of the job market. Our borders are still not secure. We have a growing problem with Russia and the middle east. He wants to push gun control and political correctness.

yep....and sorry but someone who says this--"man screw this country."

And wants to lecture anyone on calling presidents by something other then his name or telling someone to move out of this country because they think the commie's leadership skills are better then our own presidents..

Well I guess I wont be taking him and what he says very honest anyway.

It's not a who, it's a what. The enemy is hate....

what I thought..was just asking sir

sure you admire him.

he's not a leader, he's a communist.

russia has been a problem for ever.

for

ever.

our borders haven't been secure....ever. this isn't anything new.

this isn't a presidential problem, it's a government problem. including your precious GOP

nobody takes anything you say seriously either.

join the club.

The job market is not as bad as it was in 2009. Unauthorized immigration peaked in 2007 and has been going down ever since. Russia has been propping up Syria for decades. Not one gun control law has been enacted. Pushing political correctness...whaaa?

The job market is not as bad? Do you really believe that 5% unemployment number? 94 million people out of the job market. More men than before WWII. More women, more blacks, more everyone. That's about a 1/3 of the nation that has stopped looking for jobs, and the administration changes how they count unemployment to make the numbers look better.

We had Russia under our heel after the CCCP fell. They had US workers disabling their nukes, and the FBI helping them solve crimes. Now they are buzzing our shores with bombers. Russia was unable to prop up Syria after the fall of the soviet union, just like they were unable to prop up cuba.

Which gun control law would have stopped the shooting in San Bernadino? California already has some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation, and they did absolutely no good, unless you want all the next victims unarmed too.

Did you actually believe the 4% and 5% unemployment numbers of previous presidents. FYI It's how they been doing the numbers for nearly 50 years now.

Russia is now involved in the fight against Isis, along with a half dozen other countries. Bush Jr. went at Iraq alone and alienated many countries doing so. Could you please post a link about Russia buzzing our shores here with bombers?

True adding more guns to who ever wants them is a much better approach. Got it.

yea, i dunno why Eirk hates the idea that obama proposed.

don't allow people on the no fly list to obtain guns.

that seems like common sense, and one of those things most people probably thought was already in the law books.

Because my wife is on the no fly list, and the most horrible crime she ever committed was to be born in Ireland.

sorry about it.

but all well, people are there for a reason.

if i was on the no fly list, i shouldn't be able to obtain a gun, no matter how ridiculous the reason is.

It would make sense but what it takes to get on the no-fly list is very arbitrary, what it takes to get on a terror watch list is very arbitrary.

You can't take away a right without due process. If you are a convicted felon, you have been through a due process. To be declared mentally incompetent, there is a due process... there is no due process associated with these lists. People get put on them all the time without even being notified and I'm not exactly sure how one would go about fighting it.

So while it has made great headlines on Facebook that Republicans blocked restricting gun ownership even to those on terror watch lists... I believe they are right in doing so.

but i'd still have them not obtain weapons until an investigation was over with.

the problem with both sides of the parties is that there is very little compromise going on. it's either all or nothing.

so why can't they just restrict gun access to people on terrorist watch/no fly list until after an investigation is complete?

I wouldn't be totally opposed to that depending on how they set it up. A couple things I would be concerned about..

First is burden of proof. In our justice system, you have to be proven guilty. This would have to be set up the same way, you can't make them prove they are NOT terrorists.. the burden would have to be on the government to provide compelling proof of why they belong on the list.

Second is cost. How do you make every Joe Schmoe hire an attorney and fight the full resources of the federal government to prove they are not a terrorist?

Third is time. These things would have to move swiftly. I'm talking in terms of weeks or at most a couple months. These aren't the kind of things that should drag on for years.

Fourth is disclosure. This is more from the government side but this would require the government to notify anybody put on the list and provide the data it has against you... I'm not sure they want to tip their hand like that in case somebody IS a terrorist. You have to lay out in front of them all of the e-mails, contacts, donations, etc that you have tracked. You would drive them further underground, thus making them harder to track in the future.

So am I open to discussing it? Sure. But bro I see a lot of very serious hurdles to overcome before I would be comfortable with it.

I have an idea that will never fly.

Pass a law permitting open carry of a side arm.

But that won't work as these terrorists don't mind dying in the
act of killing others.

Take away our 2nd amendment rights and ONLY criminals will have
guns.

first: i think in this case, we probably shouldn't just let somebody own a gun until after an investigation is complete. i would be fine with a simple background check from this country and whatever country they come from, if they are foreign. that should take about the same amount of time as somebody going through the immigration process.

second: no attorney should be needed unless it's to appeal the ruling. if the federal government deems somebody on the list, the burden of proof should be on them.

third: see my immigration process answer in first.

fourth: absolutely. it's disgusting that people gotta find out when they buy a plane ticket that they are on a list. there should be some sort of notification that tells people as soon as they are put on the list. a text message, email, mail, something.