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This was posted by a friend on FB.

http://www.dawgpoundnation.com/2015/12/0...gement-tonight/

if I was pettine id try to get d coordinator fired. pass the blame dude...lol

not letting manzel play might cost him his job. wow.

I thought maybe the fire sale was a bit overblown.

Then I realized this morning. Other than Thomas, nobody wants our players for it to be a fire sale.

We'd ha to pay teams to take even our pro bowlers.

If Haslam fires Pettine but not Farmer, thats not going to fix anything.

Agreed! Farmers last two drafts set this team back years!

We could have had Mike Evans, David Carr/Bridgewater, Amari Cooper ...

What we got ... well you know....

I'm in FFE mode..

Full Fire Everyone

The order people I'd want to fire if I could:

Haslam
Farmer
Scheiner
O'neill
Pettine
Swagger

The real question is...Who can we get to replace them?

Calls a meeting? Lmfao

This staff is so horrible, what possibly could have been achieved with this "meeting" I wonder? We got a GM who couldn't spend a first round pick if his life banked on it nor has signed any notable free agents. Matter of fact, he's bombed there too.

We have a head coach who just cannot grasp or handle simple clock management. Just can't and clear to me at this stage going into his second year, it's just not ever going to click. And he's so dumb, he's let his friend mutilate the defense to the point where it's beyond pathetic.

We have corners, linebackers not improving at all, so even the position coaches are bombing at their job.

That had to of been an ugly meeting.

In business circles these kinds of meetings are called "blamestorming sessions". Lots of finger pointing.

Why Haslam?

Why Swagger? I like the little guy - I'll take him if the Browns don't want him.

and no one gets fired.

You want to keep Farmer?

The One thing we do have is " Continuity "

I think continuity is important, but garbage in, garbage out really. If we keep Pettine and Farmer we will have continuity of garbage. I mean really man, shouldnt an NFL coach be able to manage the clock well? I recall seeing Pettine say he was not aware of the score or how much time was on the clock. Really? That is just unacceptable. He says he was "Absolutely satisfied with the effort " against Cinci....really? Worst running game in the league, worst defense in the league, most expensive defense int he league. Out of all our receivers, only three would be on an nfl roster and one of them is a healthy scratch every week. His decision are mind numbingly stupid sometimes. So tell me Eo, and I do respect you and your thoughts and opinion, so tell me, why would anyone want to continue with this? continuity for continuity's sake is not the way to go.

I do believe we have some talent. For the most part, not elite, but certainly capable. Is it that our scheme is wrong and that we are mis-using the guys we have? I simply don't know...

I agree. It seems like we are often trying to put square pegs in round holes. Then we get it half way in and switch to the triangle shaped hole.

Since 99, we've had college coaches, former OCs and DCs, former head coaches, multiple GMs, and 3 owners. We have more starting QBs than seasons. The only constant has been change and losing. I'm willing to grit my teeth and let these guys grow up as a franchise, as it's the only thing we haven't tried yet.

You seriously want to fire the dog? Dang, that's harsh!! Did he leave you a present on your lawn or something????

Before the season, some of us tried pointing out that our talent was substandard. Those comments were vigorously attacked to the point where some of the guys quit posting.

This roster lacks talent. Deluding yourselves won't change that. And changing coaches and keeping the same talent on the team and also keeping Farmer will do nothing but set this team back even further than it is now.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/12/mike_pettine_has_no_assurances.html#incart_2box

Jimmy Haslam hasn't assured Browns' Mike Pettine he'll make it through the season

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Coach Mike Pettine acknowledged after Sunday's 37-3 loss to the Bengals that Jimmy Haslam hasn't given him any assurances yet that he'll make it through the season.

"We haven't had those discussions,'' Pettine said. "Jimmy and I had good conversations. We talk every week. Frankly, there's a lot of football left to be played. We're evaluated every day, whether we're evaluating ourselves or whether it is coming from him.

"We're just going to fall back on what we know how to do. We're going to come in every day, prepare relentlessly like we do, we're going to coach our players hard and we will see what happens."

After the 31-10 loss to the Bengals on Nov. 5, Haslam met with Pettine one-on-one and challenged him and staff to do "some soul-searching'' and find answers for snapping what was then a four-game losing streak.

Instead, they've lost three more since then to extend the skid to seven games.
The Browns are 2-10 and own the worst record in the division. If the draft were today, they'd have the No. 1 overall pick.

Pettine has lost 15 of his last 17 games, and the Browns have gone 3-16 since grabbing sole possession of first place in the AFC North with a 24-3 victory over the Bengals on Nov. 6 of last season.

What's more, Sunday's loss -- the worst in series history -- marked their fourth straight defeat by an AFC North foe to fall to 1-4 in the division. In three of those losses -- not counting the Ravens game started by Josh McCown -- the Browns lost by a combined score of 98-22.

"That's tough,'' said Pettine. "It's frustrating. We talked about it throughout the week, we talked about it at the team meeting last night – you find out who you are. You find out who you are. It's a healthy dose of adversity and guys respond to it in different ways. You find out real quick.''

Haslam hasn't been heard from much since he said on Aug. 1 that he wasn't going to "blow things up'' after the season. But that's when the Browns were coming off a promising 7-9 season and the outlook seemed bright. The Browns thought they were going to have an elite defense, one that could keep pace with the others in the division. Instead, the unit was 30th heading into Sunday's game, and surrendered 377 yards to the Bengals.

Related: Mike Pettine knows job security will come up soon with Jimmy Haslam

Related: Mike Pettine knows job security will come up soon with Jimmy Haslam

Browns coach Mike Pettine knows that he's perceived to be on the hotseat after losing 14 of his last 16 games. He knows he'll talk to Jimmy Haslam soon about his job security.

That's when Haslam still had hope that Johnny Manziel might take over as the starting sometime during the season and work his Johnny Football magic. Instead, he's in the doghouse for lying to coaches and the Browns still don't know if he can play.

That was back when Haslam thought Justin Gilbert might live up to his 2014 No. 8 overall status and when he excited about first-round picks Danny Shelton and Cam Erving.

Instead, the Browns are getting very little production -- or none at all -- from their first round picks dating back to 2011, except for Shelton, who's had a solid rookie year.

Pettine stressed that the Bengals are 10-2 because they've stuck with the program and built it from the ground up under Marvin Lewis, who's in his 13th season as the Bengals head coach.

"They're a team that's playing well,'' he said. "They've been in their system a long time. They have continuity. They have chemistry. That's what you strive for. You could see a lot of their guys – that team has been together for a long time, and it's paying dividends for them."

Haslam, who's already fired Pat Shurmur and Rob Chudzinski since he took over in 2012, isn't expected to make any decisions in the heat of the moment. He'll likely let Pettine get through the season and then re-evaluate the program from top to bottom when it's all over.

Whether or not he rides it out through the rough times with Pettine remains to be seen.

I'm really meh about Pettine. Could care less if he is retained or let go. I think it is better to just start over, but I also think Manziel has looked pretty decent in Flips system, and i want to see that continuity.

Farmer and the entire defensive staff need to go however. No way can we move forward with them.

Never heard that term, but it is a good one!
Ummmm, I hope we had enough blame to go around for just about everyone. Haslam should get some as well. Like a meeting will put a spark in their jocks at this point.

No top level and highly experienced HC in his right mind could possibly want the job. The only option would be to hire someone that has ties to the Brown's past that really want's the job for something other than money or a stepping stone. So the options are slim to none. If we can't find that guy ...well .....we're stuck with inexperience forever.

There is talent on the football team. The team went 7-9 last season. There was some talent on the team. Benjamin has come out this season and replaced Hawkins as the little guy who can make some plays. Barnidge clearly has done more than Cameron. Has the loss of Skrine, Sheard and Hoyer made that much of a difference over the guys who replaced them? I think a reasonable person would say no they do not make that much of a difference outside of perhaps Hoyer.

Pettine went 0-5 to end the season last year. I have no evidence of a locker room and front office conflict other than the texting scandal. I believe that Pettine has started to believe his own press from 2014. He has a doghouse. That is obvious to anyone who watches the use of the players and observes the depth charts. Pettine is the problem and Haslam is right to call a meeting. He should fire Pettine before his press conference today or directly after the press conference. I would keep Farmer but only because I am not sold on his draft picks being busts. West did okay last season. He comes into this season with Pettine as the HC and Pettine believes he is a up and coming genius head coach. He does not know how to use West and Crowell together and his new OC is unable to utilize the talent he has either. West is known to be immature. He probably said something in the locker room that questioned Pettine's abilities. GONE. Mayle and Johnny Manziel the same thing. Pettine could not get rid of Johnny, Haslam would not allow it. Mayle was not as safe. GONE. Gilbert was a known immature player in college. He was rated as a 1st round talent. We hear from the coaching staff that he cannot make it on the field because he has not put in the work to get on the field. What a joke that is. We are 2-10 and Gilbert has been a health scratch this season.

I believe the young players have skills but are not allowed to excel under Pettine. Haslam should be seeing this as a failed manager of my business and fire the coaching staff today.

Pretty much my feelings too. For the most part (aside from the running game) the offense has not really been the issue this year. The defense has regressed, badly. O'Neil needs to go at the least...and overall I'm not a fan of the decisions Farmer has made.

The problem is whether Farmer is bad at picking players or if Pettine is really horrible at coaching the players drafted.

One way or another our defense has gone from a top ten to the worst. I don't need another 2 years of this crap. It's one thing to have a 7y win team that's fighting it out and barely losing but we are flat out horrible this season. There is no reason to continue this.

Honestly, If we can trade for 1st rounders for any of our players then we need to do so. Even Joe T. is not going to last forever and his career will probably be over before we get things going again.

Either way I'd get rid of pettine and his cronies on defense.

Maybe we could invite Horten to be our head coach.

The coach's revolving door is not working. The teams that are currently on top of the league have continuity in their coaching staff. The only continuity the Browns have had since 99 is the home field location.

He was broke before joining the Brown's, just saying.

LOL I didn't even see the name of Swagger.. That's on par with firing Haslam...

OH for cryin out loud, stop with the Haslam Hate.., He can't coach the team, he can buy it and hire people to run it, But that's about it.

Look how long it took Art Rooney to find the right combination of Front Office and Coaching talent.

Quit whining about Haslam...