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He can't hire the right people to run it either. Obviously. Haslam sucks. But hey, I hope everyone enjoys their "stadium experience". I'll pass. This team sucks. And this is being generous. Find a football guy Jimmy or ticket sales (among other things) is going to decline. That is a fact.

Haslam probably told pet he could keep his job is Johnny started. because He just got named the starter for the rest of the season after Haslam and Pet's meeting last night.

What have you seen that would give anyone any sense of Pettine turning into even a passable head coach?

He obviously cannot make a merit based decision about his staff, O'Neil is still here.

His clock management skills are that of a pop warner coach.

Instead of developing players, he nitpicks over videos. Every positional group, with the exception of QB has regressed from last year. Pro Bowlers playing like rookies does not indicate ability to develop players

Failure to make adjustments during the game. Real coaches will realise something is not working and at least attempt to make a change and try something that may work.

Failure to have players prepared...see 2-3 intentional grounding penalties, wasting valuable game clock with under a minute to go in a tie game, and hoarding time outs like they carry over to other games.

Not playing the best player. I mean seriously, you can not honestly think that Dwayne Bowe is not a better player that Marlon Moore or whats his face just elevated of the practice squad, not even at this point in his career. Pierre Desir over Gilbert? thats also kinda questionable. The few snaps Gilbert has had this year, he looked at least capable.

No awareness of the game situation, remember in one post game presser, he said he was not aware of the score or how much time was left on the clock. really?

Defense is the most expensive, yet they are also the worst in almost every single category, even fundementals, they can not tackle anyone!

I could go on, but really, whats the point? Could you Pettine defenders lay out why we should have any faith whatsoever that he can even remotely do his job? Why should he get more time? What has he done right?

Feel bad for Pett on some level, the dude is just in over his head. Especially when he has been given such terrible players through the draft. Without question Farmer has to go, I'd fire Schneider for being a medelling little twerp while I'm at it.

Haslam's football resume reads like what ? If you are a Brown's fan you have earned to whine if you want to , you have the right to spot off YOUR opinion if you want to . And last but not least ; so do you .

I would fire all three. Then hire a John Elway type to be CEO, then make a run for Gruden or Cowher to be coach/gm Commit long term. At least then you would have competent people in the positions to make things right.

You think this CEO will want a coach who is also the GM? That is funny.

Hey man, I am not saying i agree with the Bowe signing, I thought it was a mistake then, and I still do. However, the one game where he got a few snaps he caught a few passes and fought for extra yards.

This is what a Browns fire sale looks like to the rest of the NFL..

Tom Brady has more receiving yards than Dwayne Bowe.

OUCH !!

Probably cheaper too.

Yeah, but he has been targeted only 5 times, caught 3 for 31 yards. Now, understand I am not saying he is great, like I said, I thought it was a mistake to sign him, but, hell at least give the man a chance now that you gave him all that cash.

I think it's obvious something is wrong beyond Bowe just not being good. Not showing up to camp in shape probably has something to do with it.

Just an aside, a co-worker quipped that Pettine is saving time-outs to give as Christmas presents.

Sammy Watkins

Career (2014-2015)
99 rec
1,617 yrds
16.3 avg
84 long
12 TD

I changed the first F word, Full doesn't work for me..

When the Browns hired Pettine, there weren't many options. The prime candidates either 1) found ways not to interview (Quinn, Gase), 2) took other positions (O'Brien), or 3) removed their name from consideration (Malzahn, McDaniels.)

The position has to be viewed as even more toxic now than it was then. Firing Pet is unlikely to result in a better HC, at least to start. I liked him after his first year, definitely needed to improve on some things, but overall thought he did well. Like his team, I think he regressed this year.

My mind changes daily, and either way there is not a boatload of conviction, but right now I'm thinking that giving him another year to demonstrate growth is better than blowing it up and starting over again. I will agree O'Neill and whoever the OL coach is need to go. I'm undecided on Farmer. I kinda feel the same as with Pettine, but I also believe GM is not as critical to the concept of continuity as HC, and I also think finding an experienced replacement would be easier than finding a qualified HC.

People always assume that one of these guys would want to come here. Why is that? I sure as heck wouldnt want to leave the nice easy desk job to take over 14 hour days coaching this trainwreck. Do announcers ever leave the booth to go back to coaching? Even for good teams?

Ah, Billy! Please don't go there...

There was no "fire sale" at all, mac. Simply a responsible GM doing his due diligence. JMO, for what it's worth...

Did you just call Farmer responsible?

"Responsible" only to the particular "fire sale" issue that mac mentioned. It is a GM's job to determine whether his team could be improved through trades, etc. I by no means (as I have a dearth of information) believe Farmer responsible in all areas of his duties...

In a way, the way Manziel has developed validates the way Pettine has handled him thus far.

Pettine out Manziel back on the bench after a game where many (myself included) were calling for him to start out. The media (and fans) lambasted Pettine for talking about Manziel needing to make plays from the pocket, but in his 1st start after returning to the bench, that is exactly what he did.

If Manziel now comes in and plays lights out, (as someone put it) in a way it might just validate how Pettine has handled him. Pettine named Manziel the starter, told him to stay out of trouble, and he goes out does just what he promised not to do. Pettine calls him on it, and demotes him. Maybe this is how Manziel needs to be treated to learn. Maybe he needs more stick than carrot. Not all people respond in the same way to reward/punishment. Given that Manziel had rarely been punished for poor behavior in his entire college career ..... maybe that's exactly what he needed (still needs?) now.

If I am a "top level" experienced guy, I take this job only if my contract says no interference from above, and that I get 4 or 5 years to do the work that absolutely needs to be done. If I don't get that "no fire/demote" guarantee, then I pass. Sure no other team that I can think of has ever done that kind of contract, but no team I can think of has the terrible reputation this one already has.

Speaking of Pettine's future, if I am Haslam, and I invite him back, it is only with the condition that he accepts a strong, veteran assistant head coach. Pettine needs to learn the nuances of being a head coach. I was absolutely stunned in yesterday's game, for example, when we went for it on 4th and 11, earlier in the game, with our 3rd string QB and a bunch of backup receivers in the game. That was a horrible decision.

Those are the kinds of things that Pettine needs help with, as well as a veteran presence to bounce ideas off of, work with on how to handle certain things, and so on.

*Edit: fixed QN to QB :crazy Darn fingers

I'm worried that Haslam just doesn't see it that way though. I feel, like we saw in 2013, Haslam will expect a host of candidates who are great, and then have to accept hiring Jake from State Farm because nobody else wants it.

That being said, I did like Chud.

After Jimmie fires Farmer and Pettine, I hope he has a brain to hire the GM before the coach unless the coach is a big name with complete control.

"I've never coached before .... but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night ...."

LOL.........thanks. I needed the laugh.

j/c

Has anyone heard anything about the outcome/content of this so-called "meeting"? Did it even occur?

no, but judging how quick manziel got named the starter, one could imagine it was about that.