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How about you stop beating a drum on something that is just not even a reality. You aren't going to get Haslam to sell the team.

In fact, I'm pretty sure that anyone that invests a billion dollars wants a winner as much or more than you and I do. He hasn't gotten it right yet but for you to suggest he's the reason for failure is way off track.

No question, he needs to hire better, but geez, on paper, Farmer was a fit. On paper, it looked like Pettine was a winner. I thought so also when I saw him speak.

I NEVER thought that Banner or Lombardi were good hires, seems as if he figured that out quickly as well.

Haslam is clearly not afraid to pull the plug when it's clear to him.

What the hell else do you really want from an owner.

I guess the thing I find most humorous in all of this is that I would have assumed that the executive "group" met fairly regularly any way. Is it that unusual to get the brain trust all in the same room to talk that it creates a media frenzy? Maybe that is already a big part of the problem and why this group seems to have no plan.. or 5 different plans.. or whatever.

I don't want to read all the posts to catch up, but has the meeting taken place yet?

i get that mac, but pettine has been hesitant to play manziel since day one.

he rather had mccown get destroyed before he put manziel out there.

I don't know, but it's not like they are going to publish minutes... everything we hear after is going to be soundbites and speculation.

Which in a way may have saved JM. Maybe he does have the teams and JM's long term interests in mind...

I don't know, but it's not like they are going to publish minutes... everything we hear after is going to be soundbites and speculation. [/quot

LOL Of course not. I was just wondering when to start looking for any new news.

I half expect to hear that Pettine got fired. Maybe Farmer as well.

Ummmm...all you had to do was go one post up from your previous one.... (Forget it - simply struck me as funny .!).

This is funny.

https://twitter.com/PMachaylic/status/673958869832499202/photo/1

http://thebiglead.com/2015/12/06/cleveland-realtor-tells-mike-pettine-and-ray-farmer-to-call-her/

You mean he hasn't yet! That is not to say that he won't or can't.

I pointed this out to Mac, it took Art Rooney 30 years or so to find the combination that ended up winning 4 superbowls in a decade.

I hate to say it, but look at Art Modell, he couldn't get it right until he did in Baltimore. But he got the right guys here in cleveland as it turns out, Belichick and Ozzie.

That dynasty could have been here for the last 20 years had Art learned how to run a business better than he did.

Now that's a BAD owner right there.

Haslam has owned the team for what, 2.5 seasons.. I think it's a little early to call him a bust don't you think? I mean as an owner.

If he fires Pettine and Farmer or either, I hope he has a plan in place to to fill the vacancies.

I'm 100% on board with Horton, but I'm asking him to be extremely hands on with the defense.

I'm betting the Titans seriously consider him as their HC for 2016. Doubt he'd ever consider coming back to Clev.

yea. burned that bridge pretty good ....

I agree with you 100% I think Pettine is doing everything he can to improve Manziel. He just has so many things outside fo that that he is failing at.

I think the main problem is that we don't have a head coach that is good enough to demand Haslem's respect and so he keeps meddling because he doesn't feel secure about the HC spot.

I don't agree. If Manziel comes back and plays lights out and wins. that would pretty much mean the whole team and coaching staff has been slacking. Also if you think that would justify Pettine's treatment then why wouldn't Pettne keep him benched for another game then? Certainly Pet isn't trying to keep his job right?

I think Pettine is trying to do what he think is best for Manziel long term to repair his character flaws. Manziel is a 22 year old kid. A kid who grew up with a silver spoon and never had to fight for anything. He has enough talent that he gets buy showing up at the last minute and winging it. Now he is in the NFL and he has to learn to work like a man and that is what Pettine is trying to teach him. I don't think Pettine is wrong on this. I think if Manziel has enough talent to make the coach invest all this aggravation then it must be worth it.

Many of you have expressed that Pettine is being too harsh on Manziel and to be honest I probably feel that way too a little bit. Yet, I don't think he is doing it to be a control freak or out of pettiness. I think he is genuinely trying to make Manziel into a high quality QB. I feel pettine is very sincere about making Manziel a better QB.

My griefs against pettine have zero to do with his treatment of Manziel. They have to do with the lack of discipline on the team. The outrageously high number of penalties. The complete lack of a run defense and bad performance of the defense as a whole.

Should we have another season of this? I can't even watch the games anymore because it sickens me to watch such putrid playing. I just can't tolerate it. I feel we are worse than we are when we came back in 1999 and its not from a severe lack of talent. It's from bad defensive coaching and play calling.

How many times are you going to repeat yourself? You say the same darn thing over and over.

If people wanted to reply, they would have by now.

I wasn't going to get back into this argument, but I think that makes Pettine a complete and utter MORON. He needs to learn to be a man - admit his team STINKS!!! Did you hear his press conference?!? He actually thought the team played well, his exact words were he was satisfied! This guy is a complete idiot and needs to have been gone yesterday. How can you be satisfied after that game? My 12 year old sons soccer coach tells them they played like crap if they really did - you would think an adult supposed leader of men could do the same.


Maybe he is, but he is still an idiot. I'm so done with this guy it isn't even funny.


But yet you are OK with him disciplining Johnny? That has been my whole beef with this - his team is a dumpster fire of unacceptability, yet he is going to play tough love with Johnny. Makes no sense.


If we keep him, I'll probably sell my tickets for the whole next season. I'll keep my seats, but won't go to any games. I left at the end of the 3rd quarter yesterday. The earliest I had left prior to that is 2 min left in the game - that is for 8 straight years. Pettine is a joke and a pathetic excuse of a leader.

So you're saying Pettine has a chance?

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Glad someone said this.

NRTU

This is how I feel about this mess.

It is easier to hide flaws in a coach/GM change in the first year.

In the second year, players should be coming into their own. Right now that is not the case. And the first year players do not appear to be contributing.

Pettine and Farmer made a big deal about the roster turnover. At this point in time, there are only 16 players left from when Banner/Lombardi and Chud were shown the door. Roster turnover to me is a sign of instability.

I will state that I thought that Chud was not given the appropriate chance.

In the second year the team should be competitive. The Browns are not that. The mess on the field reminds me of the saga when Mangini starts 1-11 and then wins the final four to save his behind, although Holmgren and Heckert were of completely different background....

Time to clean things out. I have no idea except to say that I want the GM and coach to be of the same mindset.

I think the two have done a terrible job of identifying team needs and finding players to fill those needs. And the drama that they brought to the team with the selection of Johnny Drama makes me sick.

Two years into this mess, and the Browns still have no QB. ... Pathetic.

are you saying I have a bias towards management

The problem doesn't start with Haslam, the Solution starts with Haslam.

He's gotta pick the right guys and until he gets that right, we won't get much better. And as has been proven over and over again, that's a crapshot. You do your research, make your best decision based on facts and roll with it.

If it doesn't work, you have to be prepared to suffer the pains of starting over.

I can agree with that Mac. It does start with the owner. It just doesn't end there. I think the football guys have been allowed to make the football decisions. The problem is Haslam seems to have hired bad football guys. That is where it ends. Haslam and Scheiner aren't making footabll calls and trying to hold fire sales and all this other stuff. I think the only real call they made was recently when Manziel was going to start the rest of the way. I do think that call came from the top, and they had to. I wouldn't let Pettine ground Johnny the rest of the season because his ego was getting in the way. Especially since there is a good chance the guy won't be here next year. Say we start winning a few games down the stretch. That will make Pet look like a total boob.

I do agree, Jimmy needs to get it right on the football side. I don't know if the problem is because Farmer has a bunch of duds in the house, or because Pet and his plan simply don't work, or some combination of both.

I do know that if Manning retires, I am not saying hire the guy as GM or whatever, but I would pay him as a consultant to look at our roster, set-up, etc. and get his opinion on which way we need to go.

Agree 100% !

We have a coach that is satisfied with losing. If we keep this coach just for the sake of continuity, we're going to keep losing.

Maybe. I just don't see how putting him in now, with 4 games to play, on a team with a horrible defense, an injury depleted roster and a host of guys who appear to have given up, is going to help build his confidence or set him up for success.

I don't believe that Pet's motives for not playing Manziel are founded on him wanting the JM to be a better qb.

I think it's more likely that:

--he doesn't think Manziel is good enough to play.

--he resents the FO lobbying for Manziel to play and has stubbornly drawn a line in the sand.

I can understand both of those positions. I can understand them even more if both are true. I think the biggest reason Shanny wanted out was because the FO was making roster decisions and telling the coaching staff whom to play.

Coaches resent that, especially if they are of the belief that better players are being released and having to sit the bench for players who are not deserving of more playing time.

I agree with all of that. I also think Pettine still can't get over Manziels behavior last year... same with Gilbert. I don't think Pettine wants Manziel here and he doesn't want him to succeed.

Mac, we didn't have a fire sale. Nobody was traded contrary to any reports floating around.

Include Pettine as part of the problem and then we can agree. Though some changes were made, this team is fading fast.

Who hired the coach ?? I'm pretty sure it was
Banner and Lombardi.

Banner did hire him, but he also wanted to wait for Quinn. Haslam did not.

Oh, and just a FYI: Haslam was really intrigued by Schiano. Banner was dead-set against that hire.

I don't recall anywhere in my post where I said I am happy with Pettine. I do think some folks have gone off the deep end though and are just raging instead of thinking clearly.

No NFL coach is going to go on TV and publically throw his players under the bus unless they are HOF candidates and most of those would have the good sense not to do it too.

At some point you have to just have realistic expectations.